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Apple CEO Tim Cook Visits China Amid Reports of Lower iPhone 15 Sales
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I see no point in upgrading unless you have a model that no longer gets iOS updates. iPhone hardware has long since outpaced the software. There’s pretty much no discernible difference in performance for everyday apps between my 14 pro max and my son’s XR.
The Chinese are simply being practical. Why upgrade to basically an incremental rev of the same phone? Tim might have to do more than visit. Maybe pull another discount similar to the iPhone XR. I will say it again, Apple need phase roll out new iPhones to new regions and limit revs maybe every two years.
4,5% down does not seem a lot considering the growing anti US sentiment in China and how tiny the changes to the iPhone lineup this year are.
And even more important as the iPhone continues to be a stagnant product. The difference from the 12 to 15 is amazingly small. Faster CPU, better camera, and ???? And in real life I don't even see a speed difference. After the joke of a 15 launch, people here were basically saying the iPhone is a mature product, so what do you expect in innovation.
Look at the Chinese makers and Samsung today to see where iPhone will be heading in the next 5-10 years.
Timmy should be selling Pepsi with John Sculley, he wants to be CEO where he can sell the same product for 30 years and be applauded for it. Tim (What's a computer) Cook, has no business being anywhere near an innovation company. Remember that Apple had record profits under Sculley and he was the highest paid tech CEO -- then a couple of years later Apple was on the edge of bankruptcy and it took Steve Jobs and a $150 million investment from Microsoft to save them. What Timmy's doing now is the exact same as Sculley -- stagnant products, a mess of product lines that make no sense, locking down the ecosystem, killing user hardware upgrades, and pricing that makes them a laughing stock. The case wheels, the vesa mount.
Apple as an innovative tech company no longer exists. It's traded everything for short term profit and done it extremely well. The eventual outcome is inevitable.
Yep, and that one phone is Huawei this article talks about. So no wonder its photos look better. That's just a reality. Hard to swallow for some it seems like.
The fact is, whilst iPhones are still good phones, the last time Apple had a market leader was the 13 Pro....now they're just concentrating on keeping the price down and the fake saving the planet PR.
Apple CEO Tim Cook has made a surprise visit to China amid reports that iPhone 15 sales are down in the country compared to last year's iPhone 14 models (via Bloomberg).
Cook visited an Apple's Taikoo Li store in Chengdu to watch a local gaming tournament for the major Tencent game "Honor of Kings" and talk to shoppers and staff. Cook later posted about the event on Weibo with a short video, saying that "the energy tonight was off the charts!" Cook then visited a Yucheng elementary school to see how students use the iPad to support local culture.
The appearance comes just a day after two Counterpoint Research studies claimed that iPhone 15 sales are down 4.5% versus last year's iPhone 14 lineup in China, causing Apple's share price to fall. As a result, Cook's visit is being widely associated with concern about iPhone 15 sales in China across various mainstream media outlets.
Cook's posts on Weibo during the trip have also aroused a usual amount of ire. For example, Cook shared a photo of Chengdu at night shot on an iPhone 15 Pro Max. The post was then "flooded with complaints" about the ostensibly poor quality of the image and unfavorable comparisons to pictures from Chinese devices like Huawei's recently Mate 60 Pro.
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14's & 15's are simply not quite there, especially with photography. 99% of iPhone users aren't Pro's and will never use features like Pro Raw, Log or Pro Res or the high USB c transfer speeds, however we all want to take the best snaps possible, alas current Apple iPhones are a bit hit & miss with that 😡
Well you have no evidence for such accusation. It may or may not be state-sponsored.
Uh, that's just long shot. Care to provide any examples? I really disagree with this statement and while there may be some individuals doing such thing, it definitely is not something widespread - here in MacRumors.
The high-tech version of "if it bleeds, it leads".
It's both. It's hard to capture moving action pictures in high quality with bad gear. Same goes for night photography. Hard to get great results with bad sensor generating lot of noise.
Because there’s nothing to encourage people to upgrade? Let’s face it, every year a new camera in the same body maybe with a different metal in a different colour, hardly worth shelling out another 1400 quid. Eventually sales will stagnate, combined with people watching what the spend your going to have to realise you need to bring the price down
This was my first thought too. Is there no one currently in China that can provide Cook with the info he seeks?
This isn't going to help his green street cred.
my iPhone 13 Pro takes photos just as bad at night, actually worst and it's not the compression
Apple's last earnings report was on Aug. 3, 2023 for the 3rd quarter period ending July 1, 2023. When was the iPhone 15 released? Think about that for a bit.
Now, tell me how reports of iPhone 15 sales in China being down vs the iPhone 14 over the same period cannot be true?
Really?. Are the Chinese phone makers copying Apple camera modules and tech and then improving on them beyond what Apple can do?.
Or maybe they had business partners like Leica some years ago with better lenses than what Apple gives us? (Take a night video and see the horrible green or purple dots due to reflections in all iPhones since forever!), or maybe Huawei has invested and developed its own tech?, maybe Apple just buys stock camera modules form Sony without developing its own tech?, maybe Hw is investing more money and resources than Apple in R & D?.
Both can be true especially when you consider that a jump in switchers will mean those same people don't need to make a purchase again for a bit.
And everyone from his team surely were complimenting him about “how good eye and wonderful shot” he took. Apple is soooooo self pleasing since Steve passed away. Just pulsing the same tech year after year for 7 years, then, a small upgrade and repeat
Apple (and other companies) will diversify so all their baskets aren't in China, but they won't be phasing out their presence in the country.
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www.wsj.com
While both devices are really good, Huawei takes better pictures in certain conditions and modes. Apple is no longer the industry leader when it comes to camera technology and performance. At least with iOS 17 they improved the horrible processing from iOS 15 and 16.