Apple CEO Tim Cook Visits Victims of Last Week's Apple Store Crash

[maflynn]

NO! Apple doesn't share any blame for this accident

YES they do. They decided against the barriers because of aesthetics - they have culpability.

They failed to provide a safe area where people can shop. As you said, cars are complex, and knowing that there is a history of cars driving into store fronts they have a duty to ensure it doesn't happen. They chose not too, and funnily enough, those barriers automagically appeared in the front of that apple store - go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TKSX]

Eeek hopefully the victims gets the medical help needed.

Kind of surprised that apple doesn't put pillars in front of stores to prevent such things. Many of the electronic stores will have pillars so people with trucks can't ram the glass and break in at night.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Eeek hopefully the victims gets the medical help needed.

Kind of surprised that apple doesn't put pillars in front of stores to prevent such things. Many of the electronic stores will have pillars so people with trucks can't ram the glass and break in at night.

Many Apple stores also have them. I agree that all should have them though.

 

[4nNtt]

Some further thoughts on the matter. I also think modern cars have way too many distractions, despite their so called safety features, throw in cell phones and you have a recipe for disaster. Who cares how many volts your hybrid is putting back in to the battery while the vehicle is in motion. All I would need to know is how much further I can go, that's it. So, all you really need is fuel/range, speed & engine temp, everything else can wait. I don't need a rev counter, I can hear when a motor is staining, which comes from experience.

Even my 2014 Ford Fiesta has more instruments than I care for. But, I also have a 1998 Landrover Defender TDi 300, and that vehicle has just what you need to see while driving, nothing more.

Modern cars do have throttle override systems when you hit the brake though which makes me think the driver at least wasn’t speaking the whole truth.

 

[tehabe]

YES they do. They decided against the barriers because of aesthetics - they have culpability.

They failed to provide a safe area where people can shop. As you said, cars are complex, and knowing that there is a history of cars driving into store fronts they have a duty to ensure it doesn't happen. They chose not too, and funnily enough, those barriers automagically appeared in the front of that apple store - go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

NO! Just look at the place at Google StreeView, it is a parking lot, you don't expect high speeding cars there, and no other store has barriers. This is the responsibility of the driver and no-one else. And if cars can't be safe around humans, maybe they should be banned all together.

 

[Gudi]

But are the humans the resource or is the department the resource for the company’s humans?

Are you ready for the truth?

 

[szw-mapple fan]

Personnel Department was fine though I’ve grown used to Human Resources… and I love pretend threatening co-workers with “a visit to HR.” But are the humans the resource or is the department the resource for the company’s humans?

The former is the primary meaning I would guess. Otherwise there would be no reason to specify "human" resources (as opposed to the company's... plants? animals? aliens? ).

 

[rpmurray]

Are you ready for the truth?

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I can't handle the truth!

 

[EuroChilli]

Modern cars do have throttle override systems when you hit the brake though which makes me think the driver at least wasn’t speaking the whole truth.

That's assuming the override system was working. Even Apple products break/stop working...

 

[webkit]

Hopefully the driver gets life in prison for this deliberate act

That's still to be determined. The driver claims he got his foot "stuck on the accelerator" (whatever that means) but the investigation is ongoing.

 

[spazzcat]

YES they do. They decided against the barriers because of aesthetics - they have culpability.

They failed to provide a safe area where people can shop. As you said, cars are complex, and knowing that there is a history of cars driving into store fronts they have a duty to ensure it doesn't happen. They chose not too, and funnily enough, those barriers automagically appeared in the front of that apple store - go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No are no laws that state you have to build barriers in front of your store. This person could have just as easily ran a bunch of people over in the parking lot.

 

[coolfactor]

It has not yet been determined if this was a deliberate act or not.

The driver claimed his foot was stuck on the throttle, but that explanation is suspicious. The fire marshal told a few news sources he thought it was deliberate based on video footage. The driver claimed they were hitting the brake and it wasn’t working, but a RAV4 from the last 10 years would have cut the throttle if the brake was applied since it has a brake override system. The brake override clearly would have worked at the 70-80 MPH the car was reportedly traveling.

We need to wait for the investigation.

I'm very suspicious. 70-80MPH in a parking lot. Foot "stuck" on pedal. Brakes not working.

Something was definitely not right in that situation.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

I'm very suspicious. 70-80MPH in a parking lot. Foot "stuck" on pedal. Brakes not working.

Something was definitely not right in that situation.

I know we're in the age of "true crime" fans where there's always more to the story and everyone is an amateur detective while sipping on their mocha latte... but it could just be what it is.

 

[Brad7]

If it wasn't deliberate and was actually a car malfunction, I can't even imagine the amount of guilt that person will have to go through for the rest of their life.

 

[webbuzz]

Where has it been stated that Apple didn't want bollards due to aesthetics?

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Where has it been stated that Apple didn't want bollards due to aesthetics?

Nowhere. Those are just assumptions from anyone who said it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Accidents happen (even horrific ones)

It's a shame some are just immediately looking for "who to blame" and "how do we punish them"

Apple, of all possible parties here, are not even remotely to blame.
That's a mesmerizingly bad position to hold here

(I'm enormously critical of Apple for a variety of things over the years -- but not here, no way)

 

[darngooddesign]

YES they do. They decided against the barriers because of aesthetics - they have culpability.

Before you can argue that point, you have to provide evidence that the shopping center wanted barriers and Apple refused.

 

[Devnul0]

Before you can argue that point, you have to provide evidence that the shopping center wanted barriers and Apple refused.

Agreed. Any bollards or other protection would likely be the responsibility of the shopping center, not any one individual storefront within it.

 

[SnappleRumors]

In some respects Apple does share some blame, simply because the news was reporting that Apple turned down the idea of putting those cement pillars in front of the stores like so many other retailers do. This isn't the first time someone has crashed through an apple store though the prior ones were thieves doing the smash and grab

It first glance Derby Shops looks to be leased commercial property. Do you have personal knowledge Apple owns the property? If so can you share your source?

 

[CarAnalogy]

Apple's design team is still working on it. It needs to be subtle and not detract from the aesthetics of the store.

Not sure if serious but I would think safety should come first.

 

[compwiz1202]

Before you can argue that point, you have to provide evidence that the shopping center wanted barriers and Apple refused.

I read someone said it was the other way; that the property manager refused. Is there evidence to prove either way?

 

[darngooddesign]

I read someone said it was the other way; that the property manager refused. Is there evidence to prove either way?

I don't know, but then again I'm not claiming that Apple is partially responsible.

Then again, this is America so I'm sure someone will try to sue Apple so we will find out then.

 

[maflynn]

It first glance Derby Shops looks to be leased commercial property. Do you have personal knowledge Apple owns the property? If so can you share your source?

I'm just sharing what I heard on the news.

 

[SnappleRumors]

I'm just sharing what I heard on the news.

And voiced an opinion. I take your answer as no. Thank you.