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There isn't a single armchair quarterback in this thread that could do the job that he has done so far. So many Android trolls. If you don't like Apple products, don't buy them. You will NEVER convince any apple fan not to, so your efforts are utterly pointless

I think the Macalope should visit MacRumors from time to time if he doesn't already. Would help keep us in line :)

It is very true that most or all of us here couldn't do the job Tim does. That said, I doubt that forums like this one go entirely unnoticed by Apple and certainly by other potential customers. It is a public vote. As for never convincing an Apple fan: well, I've been a very passionate one since I bought my first iPod nano in 2008 and have dearly enjoyed my Apple toys. This is why I'm concerned with the state Apple is in.
 
Tim talks about how many converters Apple is getting, but for some reason my imessage buddies are few and far between now, and my what'sapp is huge now.


Apple is in trouble, and Tim is part of the problem. Tim keeps saying Apple has fierce loyalty, but that is definitely fading away. When you see android phones that are so well done, you start to ask yourself, what does Apple have left other than OSX.

Tim is sinking the ship, and this time Steve isn't here to save it.
 
There isn't a single armchair quarterback in this thread that could do the job that he has done so far. So many Android trolls. If you don't like Apple products, don't buy them. You will NEVER convince any apple fan not to, so your efforts are utterly pointless
It's not about people being trolls here. It's more about that people hold Apple to a standard that is very high and a bar that they've previously reached before. However today the experience is much different with Apple. They haven't been able to get their designs clean for the last two years or more. They are rehashing old products like it was 2012. Their pricing seems to be out of kilter while they use every effort to reduce paying their fair share of tax. Just because customers are being critical doesn't mean they're Android trolls. Tim is a good CEO, but the company needs to focus on the best products and use the "simple stick" more often instead of talking up future business. It's becoming a case of all talk and no action. Customers smell bull**** and they are just talking up about it before Apple gets on a glide slope they can't recover from. We've all come too far to allow that to happen again. That's simply it.
 
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There isn't a single armchair quarterback in this thread that could do the job that he has done so far. So many Android trolls. If you don't like Apple products, don't buy them. You will NEVER convince any apple fan not to, so your efforts are utterly pointless

Trying to be an Armchair CEO has nothing to do with anything. My house is full of Apple products. I don't think its unreasonable to expect something better than a 480p webcam on a $1300 machine. "If you don't like x, don't buy it" is a cop out line. I like Apple products and have come to expect a certain standard, but I will certainly jump ship if they aren't meeting my needs/wants. That is exactly why I expect more from Apple.
 
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Can a single competent reporter ask why Apple is still offering 16GB storage (non upgradable no less) in 2016??

Absolutely laughable.
If anything, people don't need as much storage now as they did before, thanks to music streaming. And why are you complaining about an option anyway?

Edit: Oh yeah, iOS takes more space now, so there's that. But I'll bet most people used to store around 5GB of music and now store none, so that more than makes up for it.
 
Damn, you guys are on some serious negativity drugs or something today. All this crap about not updating the Macs and using "sub standard" hardware while charging too much money. This has been how Apple has done business since the beginning. With Steve and without. Apple is a company that makes money. Lots of it. It did when Steve was at the helm as well. Apple has never been at the forefront of computer hardware specs EXCEPT when it comes to design. Steve specifically chose lesser clocked, lesser sized CPUs, RAM and Hard Drives either to keep costs down, power consumption down or size down to allow for smoother, slicker, smaller, thinner designs. Even the very first Macintosh back in 84 was incredibly underpowered and could barely run the OS just so it could be in an (at the time) small well-designed package that people would look at and go "wow, I need that." (this is documented in many books and documentaries.) But the design was always the selling point. Apple of today is still doing that. Say what you want, but compared to the current crop of Windows 10 based laptops and 2-in-1's and Android tablets and phones, I think Apple is still on top. I love their design philosophy, and the general look and feel of the devices as well as how they generally just work. Also, to contradict myself, I think the A series CPUs in the iPhones and iPads are actually the best performing CPUs out there and there laptop SSD hard drives are the fastest based on many benchmarks.)

Yes, I am an "Apple fanboy" and yes, I have purchased many of their devices over the years--several just in the last year. I specifically love the new MacBook 12" and the new 9.7" iPad Pro with Smart keyboard and Pencil. As a computer consultant, I work with and support a lot of hardware including Windows based, Android based and Apple based devices. In general, Apple stuff usually just works better, has less problems, and my customers love them as well. The phrase "I wish I'd switched a long time ago" is common after using their first-time new Apple products and toys.

Also, I like that Tim Cook and Apple have made things like renewable energy, recycling, and not backing down from the the Apple stance on privacy. It does, in fact, make me want to support them and buy their products. I respect a socially/environmentally conscious corporation. (Although I do not approve of them and other US-baserd Corps using the out-of-country tax loopholes to not pay the proper amount of taxes--Yes they are paying what the legally should, but the US should change the damn laws)

And finally, for all those whining about 16GB base model iPhones and iPads: get the hell over it! They sell other flash drive sizes. If 16GB isn't enough for you or your loved ones, buy the next size model. It's a hundred bucks more. Big deal! If you're buying Apple stuff, you're already paying a premium, so either fork over the extra hundred or switch brands. No one is forcing you to live on 16GB. No one!
 
current products (macs and iphone) are just not good enough for the money they ask for
we don't live in the past
macbook pro's not even equivalent to the competitors, they are far behind, .... may be they are good if you want to heat up your room or you like the sound of their fan's
compare the iphone to the upcoming " ulefone future " and you see who is innovating
 
There isn't a single armchair quarterback in this thread that could do the job that he has done so far. So many Android trolls. If you don't like Apple products, don't buy them. You will NEVER convince any apple fan not to, so your efforts are utterly pointless
There possibly is actually. There are a few people contributing to this thread and probably more just doing a drive by, some people use Apple products but chose to take a different direction in life as far as carreer is concerned, it’s actually quite possible that any person here may be immensely happy maybe running a wildlife sanctuary for instance and will therefore never be at the helm of a multi billion dollar corp. Are you suggesting that none could do a better job than Cook when put in that same position?

Just because we aren’t running Apple or a big conglomerate doesn’t mean we don’t have the skills to manage money better than Tim or design better than Jony. It’s possible that we like what we are doing and don’t want to be Tim. Am I envious of the money he has, quite possibly. Do I want to manage a large company like that? God, no.
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... and soldering in the ****ing RAM. And preventing hard drive upgrades in some cases. It's really bad.
Whislt I agree with you. I feel Tim would counter with the efforts he’s making to make the products from recyclable and sustainable materials and also not that he has a good recycling program in place.
Nothing stops him doing both though. He could have a rebate program from Mac memory. Buy a new stick of RAM and get $20 off when you hand back the old one?
(NO TIM!! that’s not an excuse to lift the price of RAM by $20!).
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Damn, you guys are on some serious negativity drugs or something today. All this crap about not updating the Macs and using "sub standard" hardware while charging too much money. This has been how Apple has done business since the beginning. With Steve and without. Apple is a company that makes money. Lots of it. It did when Steve was at the helm as well. Apple has never been at the forefront of computer hardware specs EXCEPT when it comes to design. Steve specifically chose lesser clocked, lesser sized CPUs, RAM and Hard Drives either to keep costs down, power consumption down or size down to allow for smoother, slicker, smaller, thinner designs. Even the very first Macintosh back in 84 was incredibly underpowered and could barely run the OS just so it could be in an (at the time) small well-designed package that people would look at and go "wow, I need that." (this is documented in many books and documentaries.) But the design was always the selling point. Apple of today is still doing that. Say what you want, but compared to the current crop of Windows 10 based laptops and 2-in-1's and Android tablets and phones, I think Apple is still on top. I love their design philosophy, and the general look and feel of the devices as well as how they generally just work. Also, to contradict myself, I think the A series CPUs in the iPhones and iPads are actually the best performing CPUs out there and there laptop SSD hard drives are the fastest based on many benchmarks.)

Yes, I am an "Apple fanboy" and yes, I have purchased many of their devices over the years--several just in the last year. I specifically love the new MacBook 12" and the new 9.7" iPad Pro with Smart keyboard and Pencil. As a computer consultant, I work with and support a lot of hardware including Windows based, Android based and Apple based devices. In general, Apple stuff usually just works better, has less problems, and my customers love them as well. The phrase "I wish I'd switched a long time ago" is common after using their first-time new Apple products and toys.

Also, I like that Tim Cook and Apple have made things like renewable energy, recycling, and not backing down from the the Apple stance on privacy. It does, in fact, make me want to support them and buy their products. I respect a socially/environmentally conscious corporation. (Although I do not approve of them and other US-baserd Corps using the out-of-country tax loopholes to not pay the proper amount of taxes--Yes they are paying what the legally should, but the US should change the damn laws)

And finally, for all those whining about 16GB base model iPhones and iPads: get the hell over it! They sell other flash drive sizes. If 16GB isn't enough for you or your loved ones, buy the next size model. It's a hundred bucks more. Big deal! If you're buying Apple stuff, you're already paying a premium, so either fork over the extra hundred or switch brands. No one is forcing you to live on 16GB. No one!
You started on point but gradually went off the rails. There are a lot of very good looking alternatives now. A lot.
 
Whislt I agree with you. I feel Tim would counter with the efforts he’s making to make the products from recyclable and sustainable materials and also not that he has a good recycling program in place.
Nothing stops him doing both though. He could have a rebate program from Mac memory. Buy a new stick of RAM and get $20 off when you hand back the old one?
(NO TIM!! that’s not an excuse to lift the price of RAM by $20!).

"It's good, but they could easily do a lot better" is how I feel about a lot of Apple's hardware. As much as I complain about Macs, I wouldn't use anything else. GNU desktop environments are bad, Windows is not an option, and Hackintosh too unreliable to be worthwhile. Apple generally does a good job. There are just so many frustrating things Apple does that I don't understand.
 
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"It's good, but they could easily do a lot better" is how I feel about a lot of Apple's hardware. As much as I complain about Macs, I wouldn't use anything else. GNU desktop environments are bad, Windows is not an option, and Hackintosh too unreliable to be worthwhile. Apple generally does a good job. There are just so many frustrating things Apple does that I don't understand.
I can help you with this bit;
It’s about the money. Give the people the minimum, (one iota more tha the competition), they will bear and they will keep returning.
 
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If Apple truly wanted to change the world, it would start off with reducing its retail prices ...

The truth is the exact opposite. Reduced prices cause people to buy more stuff they don't really need as much (e.g. need so much they are willing to pay more.) Thus causes more production byproducts (pollution) and more churn which puts more waste in landfill. Better for the environment to make people want to keep using their current Macs for many many years more by discouraging needless spec churn.

Higher prices (if you can) reduces waste.
 
What does an election have to do with a private corporation? Also, why do you care about his private life? Also, yes, they still are the most profitable company to every exist in human history

Cook's personal life should be off limits IMO.
 
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