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Why does it actually matter
How does this affect you in anyway?
It’s just boring big companies arguing about money
Who cares
Because stuff like this has a massive ripple effect. Apple gives a lot to developers for free because App Store costs cover it. As a small developer I don’t want to have to pay for tools I currently get for free because some big company has to whine about paying their fair share.
 
Because stuff like this has a massive ripple effect. Apple gives a lot to developers for free because App Store costs cover it. As a small developer I don’t want to have to pay for tools I currently get for free because some big company has to whine about paying their fair share.
Your argument here is "Apple has to charge this. So better they pay than me".

Maybe it's time to question if what every dev is paying Apple is fair at all, what expenses Apple actually has, and if there maybe should be legislation ensuring that Apple gets to charge devs is predominantly based on actual expenses and not just arbitrarily set by Apple?
 
Your argument here is "Apple has to charge this. So better they pay than me".

Maybe it's time to question if what every dev is paying Apple is fair at all, what expenses Apple actually has, and if there maybe should be legislation ensuring that Apple gets to charge devs is predominantly based on actual expenses and not just arbitrarily set by Apple?

Would you also enforce this on every retailer? Would you be in favor of legislation to ensure that supermarkets and grocery stores, that charge manufacturers slotting fees, are doing so based on actual expenses and not just arbitrary numbers?

Be careful what you wish for, legislation can be very problematic.
 
don't have to imagine. microsoft is literally doing it with the xbox console. lol has your head, as you say, exploded yet?
Doing what with the xbox console?
anti-steering
games on the xbox console. Fortnite is not allowed to display "you can buy v-bucks from epic's website too for 30% less!"

anymore questions?
Then you or someone should take Microsoft (or any other company) to court as companies have done with Apple, present the case and evidence, and let the courts decide if Microsoft (or anyone else) is breaking any anti-steer laws.

But I have a feeling that if Microsoft is found to be in violation of anti-steer laws, you and others still won't be satisified and will continue to moan about how the ruling and fine against Apple is unfair.

Your issue isn't that anti-steer laws might be or are being violated, it's that Apple was found guilty and that hurts you in some bizarre way, and so you and others will defend Apple no matter what by using a bunch of red herring or straw man arguments.
 
There's sizable losses but still billions to be made in accepting the EU's DMA and retaining access to EU consumers, businesses and digital markets.

There are only huge losses associated with "growing a pair" and leaving the EU.

Can you guess which option the trillion dollar corporation will pick?
Until they cause them to lose more than they are worth. Which will happen at the rate these morons are going.
 
See how that doesn't really line up with what the EU is claiming?
Isn't the problem the 30% cut Apple wanted to take?
Spotify being based in Sweden is an EU favorite son, Apple is that evil yankee upstart.
Actually the EU also fines its own companies heavily, if they do not comply. The difference is that EU companies usually respect the rules from the start.

Also the size of a fine depends on the size of a company. Otherwise big companies would laugh about a fine. The same is true for individuals. Rich people pay a heavy fine for traffic violations in some EU countries.
 
Isn't the problem the 30% cut Apple wanted to take?
The EU has never said there's anything wrong with the 30% cut. They're saying that the anti-steering policy that Apple had was abusive because it prevented customers from knowing about cheaper alternatives online. I'm pointing out that Spotify didn't prefer to offer cheaper alternatives online. Their preference throughout their history on the App Store was to only allow sign-ups for the free version inside the app.
 
This text describes Apple not considering what was given as evidence. I guess Apple will need to prove that it’s all false evidence.

Consumer arm is very subjective.

What is not subjective is users being denied the ability to observe alternative deals and promotions in their apps of choice, some cheaper than the deal provided by the App Store. Deals that exist outside these environments. This is steering.
There is a browser on the phone that can be used with your favorite search engine to find alternatives. In fact, it has been a central feature of the phone since the very first iPhone.

Next, the EU will be fining Ford dealers for not providing space in their showrooms for BMW to display their cars.
 
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Edit: I'm getting so many downvotes in this thread for daring to speak out against Apple. People are going to blow their entire 24-hour allotment of downvotes on me because apparently thinking different (ironic isn't it) isn't allowed, kind of an honor.
Wait, people aren’t allowed to think different from you without being criticized by you? Maybe you need to think about your glass house before you throw stones.

Accusing others of bias and playing the victim card because people disagree with your opinion is weak.
 
How so? I'd appreciate it if you could correct me and show me how Microsoft is steering consumers away from cheaper choices. Because Apple is doing just that here. They enshrined it in their rules that Apps could not tell their consumers that it was cheaper to subscribe from the outside.
Why are these cheaper choices? Everybody wants to ignore the elephant in the room. The Spotify plans outside the AppStore are cheaper because they don't include Apple's Appstore IAP fees that Spotify is contractually obligated to pay and are obligated to pay even if they use a loophole that doesn't collect them at the time of purchase. The harm to customers is not because Apple charges 30%. The harm is because Spotify has made a business decision to pass that 30% on to its customers by making them pay the fee directly while Spotify reaps the benefits of being on the preferred mobile platform of its most lucrative market segment at no cost to them.
 
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EU doesn't have many tech companies, they are loosing revenue from taxes, so they figured out a way to make money by imposing huge fines on tech companies.
 
Epic was called a child also.

Any company that challenges Apple is called a child. But the real child is the one who is constantly called out by other companies.
Does Epic take cut from customers ?
or do they pass on all the revenue to game developers ?
what about Xbox, playstation, Spotify, amazon, Uber, Lyft, doordash
almost every company takes a cut, why is it a monopoly when Apple does this ?
 
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Does Epic take cut from customers ?
or do they pass on all the revenue to game developers ?
what about Xbox, playstation, Spotify, amazon, Uber, Lyft, doordash, google.
almost every company takes a cut, why is it a monopoly when Apple does this ?
people have options, if they think Apple is placing restrictions on app store, they can buy android or a smart phone manufactured by Chinese companies with different app stores.
market share of iPhones in EU is small.
 
Maybe it's time to question if what every dev is paying Apple is fair at all, what expenses Apple actually has, and if there maybe should be legislation ensuring that Apple gets to charge devs is predominantly based on actual expenses and not just arbitrarily set by Apple?
Curious, how would you define free market?
 
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Your argument here is "Apple has to charge this. So better they pay than me".

Maybe it's time to question if what every dev is paying Apple is fair at all, what expenses Apple actually has, and if there maybe should be legislation ensuring that Apple gets to charge devs is predominantly based on actual expenses and not just arbitrarily set by Apple?
I’m a dev I can answer that. Yes it’s fair to pay Apple. People don’t realize how utterly expensive it is to run something like an App Store. Not every app is wildly successful but each app gets hosting, payment processing, sales and tax information, security, etc. That stuff isn’t free and before app stores an indie dev had to pay that themselves (and be on the hook for any kind of security breach) or work with a publisher that would take usually upwards of 90% (not a typo) of the sales in exchange for all that. Oh and dev tools weren’t free back then either. It was usually several hundred to several thousand dollars a for an IDE. Xcode is free.

When the App Store came out and only charges 30% that was an utter steal, and it still is because if you’re a small indie you only pay 15%, it’s only 30% if your app makes over a million dollars.

Tons of manpower, server power, and resources go into running an App Store, Apples cut isn’t bad at all.
 
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It's a bit of a problem for Apple that the EU is the prosecutor, judge and jury in this case
It's a bit of a problem for third-party developers that Apple acts as the technology developer, only merchant and only payment processor for iOS/iPadOS apps.
Would you also enforce this on every retailer? Would you be in favor of legislation to ensure that supermarkets and grocery stores, that charge manufacturers slotting fees, are doing so based on actual expenses and not just arbitrary numbers?
In a (local/regional) duopoly or monopoly: Absolutely.

I can't remember the last time I walked into a taqueria and saw a posted sign reading, "Hey -- cheaper burritos across the street!"🌯
I can't remember the last time a taqueria controlled the entire food/grocery market in town (with its biggest competitor).
 
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