Just my 2 cents, rounded up to about 15 "øre", which is 15/100th of a norwegian krone
Aww, why not just to ører...just your two ears
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Apple Chinabook Pros - So Tired of Dealing w/ Repairs.
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Aww, why not just to ører...just your two ears
Actually, the best form of economy specializes in a few products. Economies that try to fit everything (or just too much) in will be inefficient. That is the problem for many developing countries, they cannot afford to import so they HAVE to do it all, that makes em not develop as fast as is possible.
WTF does China manufacturing being synonymous with poor quality have to do with hating a race of people?
Here's one for ya: I think Chinese guitars are crap. However I think Japanese guitars are great, and S. Korean guitars are getting very good.
Exactly who am I racist against? Why would I hate the Chinese and love the Japanese specifically for their race?
Stop derailing the thread, anything that comes from china will obviously be of barely acceptable quality, it has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity, it is purely a matter of manufacturing process and pressure for mass production, blame apple, not asia.
I too am fed up with subpar quality apple products.
Every ipod revision or laptop refresh that comes along makes me want to buy "Apple" less and less.
I too am fed up with subpar quality apple products.
Every ipod revision or laptop refresh that comes along makes me want to buy "Apple" less and less.
I agree. While I personally haven't had any issues (knock on wood) I certainly don't discount those that have, and Apple does need to step it up.
Being willing to replace a faulty piece of equipment doesn't mean they're doing a good job. It shouldn't have a problem to begin with, especially given the cost.
Personally, I don't see the quality difference produced from some $20/week chinese worker living in a cardboard box and the $20/hour U.S. worker. (Except one is always hungover from the night before and pissing and moaning to his fellow workers on the production line that he hasn't had his break yet.)
with computers we have nothing to compare it to, since there really isn't any USA made computer anymore.
With other things, I can compare. USA-made guitars, albeit costing 4x as much, are 10x the quality.
The 20$/ hour usa worker is highly unionized, and protected, the 20$/ hour usa worker has MANY job opportunities.
The 20$/ week china man has little or no rights in the work field (look at the iphone manufacturer employee who killed himself) that is unfair pressure and unfair treatment, they are rated on production and not quality (god bless capitalism), and finally, if a chinese worker lands a 20$/week job i think hed be pretty happy, what other professions can they enroll in sweatshops? Do they even have welfare?
That is the difference.
Nice rant. But frankly I don't care how badly they have it. They chose their "system" of government so live with it or revolt. God knows there's enough of them to do it.
And I don't blame Apple (or anybody else) for taking advantage of cheap labor either. If the U.S. government imposes many more restrictions on manufacturing that cause our services to be outsourced overseas then we'll revolt to.
I really have no problem with the build quality of my Chinabook. I can only imagine what it would cost if made here in the U.S. Most likely out of my reach.
That's a nice complacent attitude you have about human rights. As long as you get your iPod or MacBook, who cares if there's a little blood on it, right?
Actually there's nothing to imply that geography have anything to do with quality. If there's some scientific study that proves it you are free to link me it
You buy a macbook built with the sweat of the very same oppressed people you defend then have the audacity to lecture me on human rights?
LOL!
The only difference I can tell is that the typical Chinese worker may not get very much, but they've certainly earned their keep far more than the fat and lazy, overpaid, unionized labor that might be available elsewhere. Ie. they are far more productive in their outputs, and far more deserving of whatever they take home at the end of the day.
Welfare is another thing - if people learned to fend for themselves and earn their keep, there would be NO need for welfare. Welfare is just another excuse for laziness.
stop derailing the thread.
apple dont care about workers us, chinese, israeli, british - whoever.
they care about profits end of.
if they can manufacture a product cheaper away from the us they will in a heartbeat as it will increase their profit margin tenfold.
the op is right to moan and be unhappy with the service but you should all know this isnt a new problem - powerbooks were assembled in malaysia and china and they are harder-wearing but not perfect, the more a company drives to make products smaller, this makes them weaker..
Profit and Loss is all any successful company cares about.
nothing at all to do with human rights - thats up to specific countries to sort out.
apple dont care about workers us, chinese, israeli, british - whoever.
they care about profits end of.
if they can manufacture a product cheaper away from the us they will in a heartbeat as it will increase their profit margin tenfold.
the op is right to moan and be unhappy with the service but you should all know this isnt a new problem - powerbooks were assembled in malaysia and china and they are harder-wearing but not perfect, the more a company drives to make products smaller, this makes them weaker..
Profit and Loss is all any successful company cares about.
nothing at all to do with human rights - thats up to specific countries to sort out.
I don't have much of a choice, but at least I'm not happy and/or indifferent about it like you are.
Here's a question for everyone... is the manufacturing location really the problem? Thinkpads are similarly built in China and even pre-Lenovo ones were built there. A faulty GPU is the result of a manufacturing defect caused by the whole process of producing the chip, this is not caused by worker problems. Whole batches are affected, and given tolerances, some fail sooner than others might.
Here's another question for those off topic people... where do you want Apple to make the computers? We have lots of leftover manufacturing workforce in Detroit now - so would it be better to move it there, and pay someone $60-70/hour to put together Macbooks, and is that really going to yield a higher quality product? I'll venture a guess that we'll get lousier build quality and much higher prices at the same time.
Here's another question for those off topic people... where do you want Apple to make the computers? We have lots of leftover manufacturing workforce in Detroit now - so would it be better to move it there, and pay someone $60-70/hour to put together Macbooks, and is that really going to yield a higher quality product? I'll venture a guess that we'll get lousier build quality and much higher prices at the same time.
There are so many holes in this statement I ain't even gonna touch it.
So it's ok to buy products made with slave labor as long as I feel bad about it? LOL again! You keep telling yourself that son. If hypocrisy helps you sleep at night then by all means carry on.
Which laptop is made in Japan, the US, S. Korea? Do tell. there's one thing to buy a Chinese "slave labor" product, there's another to be completely arrogant about it, like you're being. You honestly can't tell the difference between buying a product because there isn't an alternative, and buying a product because you simply don't care? Really? Wow.
Yes, it's sad, I need a laptop, therefore I have to buy Chinese products. There are also a lot of other Chinese products I have to buy because there is no alternative. When there is an alternative, I most definitely buy it.
http://www.velocitymicro.com
But it ain't a mac you say? Well, I guess you'll just need to decide whether to keep compromising your moral convictions (but "feel" bad about it of course) OR... start reading the Hackintosh thread.
Now that I've given you one, here's your chance to show how much you care. I expect that macbook of yours to go on ebay.
http://www.velocitymicro.com
But it ain't a mac you say? Well, I guess you'll just need to decide whether to keep compromising your moral convictions (but "feel" bad about it of course) OR... start reading the Hackintosh thread.
Now that I've given you one, here's your chance to show how much you care. I expect that macbook of yours to go on ebay.
You really don't get it, do you? Let me repeat it again: there's a difference between being complacent and even arrogant and "not caring at all" how these people are treated, and it bothering you how they're treated.
And yes, unfortunately I need a supported, warrantied Mac for work, so a Hackintosh won't work.
And btw, the Velocity Micro isn't American-made; it's American assembled with Chinese parts. So again, not much of a difference anyway. You honestly don't see how incredibly callous and ignorant the following statement is?
I'm sure the average citizen chose their system of government. Personally.
So let's not give a crap about them. At all. I think this thread has gone some what off track
Yeah, ya think?
You know what? I'm glad my Macs are made by slave laborers. There, everyone happy? Good. Have a nice day.
It's a sad fact that it happens in this world, however there are far worse crimes going on, the fact that they get 20p per week to make our 3000+ computers is just the surface of the issues.
Yes it happens, there are organisation's and charitie's working to combat such atrocities.
Enjoy your electronic devices
The best thing we can do as moral human beings is not deny that this does infact happen.
I think that is a thought to end on!
Yes it happens, there are organisation's and charitie's working to combat such atrocities.
Enjoy your electronic devices
The best thing we can do as moral human beings is not deny that this does infact happen.
I think that is a thought to end on!
I'm sorry I stopped reading at "Chinabook". It is not that I find it offensive just very, very childish. I would be more than willing to pay a premium for a product that does not involve the loss of local jobs, for sure. It is up to Apple to make sure the quality is in place and there's alone.