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If Apple abandons their privacy stance, I'm switching to GrapheneOS and using Linux full time. That's their big selling point. If the next CEO abandons that, that would be the biggest mistake they could make.
My point exactly. Apple has boxed itself into a corner. It can't compete with others in the AI and voice assistant spaces (which are essential to the future of computing) because of the privacy shackles... but if it abandons (or even weakens) its privacy stance, customers like you will revolt.

Our phones are being to be a repository of all our most critical and private information. From credit cards, to drivers licenses, to health information, etc.. The last thing I want is someone breaking into my phone and stealing all of that information.
That's not really an issue on any platform today. Without extremely sophisticated tools, no one is breaking into any kind of modern smartphone.
 
I understand your point somewhat. Alas, to me, Q4 (Oct to Dec) is often the time executives move on; retirement age , bonuses, stock payouts, and all that.

At this point, if reports are to even be believed, it could merely be executives taking their bumper Christmas bonus, and moving 'on'...

Yeah you’re no doubt right in many of these cases, it just seems to me there’s a mini exodus going on at the moment and feels more than just natural staff churn.
 
I don’t know if this is necessarily true all the time, but I do feel like it is being completely ignored that almost every single top level employee who has left or been rumored to leave over the last year are for the most part all several years older than Steve Jobs was when he passed away or Tim was when he became CEO.
It makes sense a bunch of late 50s to mid 70s (in the case of their chairman of the board) are choosing to finally step down from the company they began working at in their 30s and 40s.
For anyone that says Apple is stagnant, this changing of the guard should be welcomed.
 
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It's difficult to preserve culture and values without the right key people. Apple is not immune to this. They have had a CEO and other key people that were close to Jobs, but I think many of those are getting closer to retirement age. So I guess we will see how much Apple changes the coming years.
 
Why would he want to leave, I wonder?

Critics suggest people might leave Apple because it isn't dong anything innovative, but this hardly applies to Apple's in-house processors which are excelling.

Also, given Tim Cook's reported "obsession" with building AR glasses, surely there's plenty of challenges to come for someone like Srouji?
Totally agree. It makes me think that someone has offered him a chance to build something new without whatever shackles are limiting him at Apple. I can't imagine he's going elsewhere for the money. It has to be for the vision.

Many people believe that AI is the future and that voice-driven conversational interfaces will be one of the next big things to happen. It's obvious that Apple has fallen very far behind. Maybe building some new kind of AI chip for someone else is much more interesting than the rinse and repeat chip design cycle at Apple.
 
apple is sinking

we need a complete renovation, a new CEO. get rid of Apple Intelligence, Vision Pro, iPhone air, iPhone fold.

focus on making good devices.
The people being iPhone Air (which MacRumors reports having disappointing sales, to put in kindly)
The people behind Apple Vision (which MacRumors reports having disappointing sales, to put in kindly)
The people behind AppleAI (which MacRumors reports having disappointing results, to put in kindly)
Are leaving, just like so many in the Forums have aid should happen to make Apple better, and now that it is happening, its a bad thing?
If keeping the people behind bad ideas or implementation is bad, and getting rid of them is bad, what should apple do with them?
 
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Doesn't much of this sit with Craig?
Yes, I think a lot of this falls on Hair Force One. I'm not suggesting it falls on Johny, quite the opposite, I'm suggesting that someone bright, motivated, who loves building great things like Johny wouldn't want to see his work hampered.

His (Johny's) team is definitely delivering the goods.
 
wait till someone says: "but the stocks are good, the company is trillions of dollars in value"

that was never the goal of Jobs. The goal was to change peoples lives, not make products that sit on shelves only to make the stocks go up.
While it could be argued that the stock price may never been the goal of Jobs, I remember the email we got from Jobs when its stock price surpassed Dell’s. The stock price also mattered to me then as an employee and now as a stock holder.
 
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The people being iPhone Air (which MacRumors reports having disappointing sales, to put in kindly)
The people behind Apple Vision (which MacRumors reports having disappointing sales, to put in kindly)
The people behind AppleAI (which MacRumors reports having disappointing results, to put in kindly)
Are leaving, just like so many in the Forums have aid should happen to make Apple better, and now that it is happening, its a bad thing?
If keeping the people behind bad ideas or implementation is bad, and getting rid of them is bad, what should apple do with them?
I’ve once wrote that the Air shouldn’t have been ‘knee capped’ like the mini was. If it was introduced with more feature/hardware parity, the numbers (sales) may have been different. One camera and one speaker- seems more like a short flashback to iPhone 16e.
 
It’s very simple: Apple has been stagnant since Cook took over. Talented employees want two things: to work on interesting projects and to win. Apple hasn’t done that in a long time.

Meanwhile Elon has built the most advanced spaceships, EVs and is a leader in the two most important emergent technologies: robotics and AI. That’s the result of one man’s will and vision, similar to how Apple was under Steve Jobs; and neither have a reputation for treating their employees well, but they took their BS because they were building cool stuff and winning.

I’ve been saying this for years now. Tim Cook has been one of the worst CEOs and Apple is one super AI smartphone/device away from becoming the next Blackberry.
 


Apple's senior vice president of hardware technologies Johny Srouji could be the next leading executive to leave the company amid an alarming exodus of leading employees, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports.

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Srouji apparently recently told CEO Tim Cook that he is "seriously considering leaving" in the near future. He intends to join another company if he departs. Srouji leads Apple's chip design and pioneered the transition to Apple silicon.

Earlier this week, it emerged that Meta had hired multiple significant Apple employees, including longtime Apple designer Alan Dye, while conducting its own recruiting blitz for AI and smart glasses development. Meanwhile, Apple announced the retirement of Senior Vice President and General Counsel Kate Adams, Lisa Jackson, Vice President of Environment, Policy and Social Initiatives, and AI chief John Giannandrea. Earlier this year, Apple lost Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams, who is retiring, and Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri. There have also been rumors about Apple CEO Tim Cook retiring, with rumors suggesting he is preparing to leave his role as soon as next year.

Gurman says that the losses are partly due to veteran executives nearing retirement age, but there is still a "disconcerting brain drain" taking place in the company. Nevertheless, Gurman says the accumulative weight of the departures all adds up to "one of the most tumultuous stretches of Cooks tenure." Some of the losses are said to be a "cause for deep concern," and Cook is now looking to prevent further loss of leading talent with stronger compensation packages.

Gurman notes that "Apple hasn't launched a successful new product category in a decade," leaving it increasingly vulnerable to having its talent poached by more agile rivals who are said to be better equipped to develop the next generation of devices and AI technologies.

Cook himself is thought to be likely to join the exodus and step down in the not-too-distant future. He turned 65 last month and now exhibits a noticeable, unexplained tremor in his hands. He is likely to transition to the role of chairman, rather than vacate the company entirely.

The departure of Srouji is said to be "a more imminent risk" and Cook is purportedly working hard to retain him by offering a substantial pay package and the potential of more responsibility. Some executives have suggested elevating Srouji to the role of chief technology officer. This would move him to oversee a broad range of hardware engineering and silicon technologies, making him Apple's second-most powerful executive.

Gurman says this change would likely require John Ternus to be promoted to CEO, but Srouji apparently would prefer to not work under a different CEO, even with an expanded remit. If he does leave, Srouji would likely be replaced by Zongjian Chen or Sribalan Santhanam. Beyond Srouji and the other reported departures, Apple is believed to be contending with a significant talent drain among its key engineers.

Gurman explains that there has been "a broader collapse within Apple's artificial intelligence organization" triggered by AI models chief Ruoming Pang departing earlier this year, along with colleagues such as Tom Gunter and Frank Chu. Apple lost Siri and search overseer Robby Walker, as well as his replacement, Ke Yang, to Meta.

Apple's AI group is apparently suffering from low morale and there is growing worry over the increasing use of external AI technology such as Google Gemini. Around a dozen of Apple's leading AI researchers have also now departed.

The company's AI robotics software team has seen widespread departures, including its leader Jian Zhang, who joined Meta. The user interface team has also lost members, such as Billy Sorrentino, culminating in Dye's exit.

Apple's hardware design group "has been nearly wiped out," with many employees vacating to other companies or following former design chief Jony Ive to his studio, LoveFrom. Abidur Chowdhury, the designer behind the iPhone Air who narrated its unveiling in September, left for an AI startup.

The company has lost a key director in charge of display technologies, Cheng Chen, to OpenAI. He also oversaw the optics of the Vision Pro headset. In addition, one of Apple’s top hardware engineering executives, Tang Tan, similarly left for OpenAI.

Apple has even lost the dean of Apple University, Richard Locke. Apple University is the internal program intended to preserve the company's practices and culture following the death of Steve Jobs.

The exodus has become a major concern for Apple's leadership, which has instructed human resources to ramp up recruitment and retention efforts. See Gurman's full report for more information.

Article Link: Apple Chip Chief Johny Srouji Could Be Next to Go as Exodus Continues
Wasn’t this guy in the running for CEO at Intel once? Considering Apple’s knack for wanting to go in-house wherever they can. He may need to be the guy(CEO) and make Ternus CTO.
 
Why would he want to leave, I wonder?

Critics suggest people might leave Apple because it isn't dong anything innovative, but this hardly applies to Apple's in-house processors which are excelling.

Also, given Tim Cook's reported "obsession" with building AR glasses, surely there's plenty of challenges to come for someone like Srouji?

Well he's seeing people being lured away by that sweet Meta/OpenAI bag and then he's stuck in his dungeon working on the A whatever chip for Tims next dull rectangle.
 
That would make me actually concerned about Apple’s future. The next ceo needs to be their own person, not a Steve Jobs imitator.
Or a Steve Jobs wanna be like Tony Fadell. Of course I think the only person who thinks Tony Fadell should be CEO of Apple is Tony Fadell.
 
Or a Steve Jobs wanna be like Tony Fadell. Of course I think the only person who thinks Tony Fadell should be CEO of Apple is Tony Fadell.
This is interesting. As I wonder if he is somewhere laughing to himself about this. I think he may have been gone for so long that he, Fadell, may actually be ‘new’.
 
“Gurman notes that "Apple hasn't launched a successful new product category in a decade," leaving it increasingly vulnerable to having its talent poached by more agile rivals who are said to be better equipped to develop the next generation of devices and AI technologies.”

Well I would say the Apple Silicon IS a new product category.. and the computers it has spawned. But otherwise I would blame the useless pointless experiment they did in building their own self driving car.. They must have spent billions on it and wasted countless hundreds of man hours on it. It stopped them from doing anything else.

But I’ve seen others claim the exodus is due to another reason which I won’t discuss as this is not in the Political thread… and I don’t want a suspension.
 
No one is irreplaceable. And Apple has a lot of issues, especially in software. This is a great way to revitalize a company with new culture and new ideas. None of this is a problem imo.
 
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