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Apple Cinema Display Price Cut
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If I didn't already have a Dell 2005fpw 20" Widescreen, I'd be first in line for Apple's 20" - $699 w/ edu discount. can't beat that.
It still completely baffles me why anyone would buy the 23" Apple over the 24" Dell. Besides *still* being much cheaper (plus there are easy to find discounts which makes it - yes - MORE cheaper 
) the Dell is bigger, and of higher quality than the Apple. Color uniformity, brightness, contrast ratio, response time, etc. all are better on the Dell.
My buddy had a 23" Apple HD he brought over to compare to my 24" Dell ($1000 using a coupon code) and he immediately put his 23"er on fleaBay and ordered the Dell. Side by side there was really no comparison.
It may have been true once upon a time that Apple's LCDs were generally superior to what else is out there, but not in the case of the 24" Dell.
TM
) the Dell is bigger, and of higher quality than the Apple. Color uniformity, brightness, contrast ratio, response time, etc. all are better on the Dell.My buddy had a 23" Apple HD he brought over to compare to my 24" Dell ($1000 using a coupon code) and he immediately put his 23"er on fleaBay and ordered the Dell. Side by side there was really no comparison.
It may have been true once upon a time that Apple's LCDs were generally superior to what else is out there, but not in the case of the 24" Dell.
TM
About time
But I'm really happy with my dell and probably still would have bought it instead of the 23" Apple. But that 30" is still a bit pricey....
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But I'm really happy with my dell and probably still would have bought it instead of the 23" Apple. But that 30" is still a bit pricey....
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classic009 said:
Thanks for this post. It helps me in making my decision, especially now that the 20" Cinema display has dropped in price by $200.
The one I want STILL costs double what I paid for my powermac.
I can't justify that cost at this point in time.
I can't justify that cost at this point in time.
classic009 said:
They have more than similar specs, they are the same panel - check out Anandtech's review of both. Dell vs Apple 20 inch
Yeah actually you should be able to get the difference back, most stores have a 30 or 14 day price policy that if the price dropped they will give u the difference, i am not sure what the Apple Stores is but I imagine it is something along those lines,
Good Luck
Good Luck
Sox said:
I suppose this aint exactly teh right place but I have just seen a fantastic set up on monitors at a friends house. He had a 20" Apple LCD I think and a second LCD monitor. Now normally people go for two of the same size or two big monitors but he went for a little 12" LCD. He uses it for email, safari and MSN whilst freeing up the LCD for work and other stuff that 'needs' a big screen. It was so damn cool I thin I will do the same when I can get enough money together. I will try and get pics for you.
Oh my God I am INSANELY excited because the 20" display is only 699 with the education discount. Now my master plan for August.
PowerBook G4 w/ RAM Upgrade (12" 1.5, 768) = $1,467
Apple Cinema Display 20" = $699
Total = $2166
Minus $1500 (parental grant for new computer in August)
Minus $350 (approx value of my iMac around August)
= $316 What I end up paying.
Oh my God I can afford this.
PowerBook G4 w/ RAM Upgrade (12" 1.5, 768) = $1,467
Apple Cinema Display 20" = $699
Total = $2166
Minus $1500 (parental grant for new computer in August)
Minus $350 (approx value of my iMac around August)
= $316 What I end up paying.
Oh my God I can afford this.
you are a fool if you actually think that the Dell is better, Dell's panels or LCD parts are made by 2 or 3 different manufactures while Apple gets only the best from Samsung, while the 24" dell is a better value(Apple has never had the better value anything) the color saturation, quality and color accuracy on the 20, 23, or 30 Apple displays is better by a margin of up 200% over the dell 24", i use the 23 inch and some friends of mine have the 24" and 20 inch from dell and it is a good monitor, low price, but in terms of color accuracy and quality, i wouldnot trade my monitor for a brand new bmw.or the dell for that matter. One problem that has been noted and seems to be a major problem with Apple LCD's is the calibration of the monitors upon recieving them and software recalibration does not always work that well, i used hardware recalibration(eye-one display recalibrator) and it works great, i use my computer for Final Cut and Adobe, both applications which really take advantage of the color accuracy, what i love now is the fact that they lowered the price on the monitors(does not help me though, but i may buy a 30) and that is a good factor, couple the fact that they look good, are stable and reliable with fast response times and good quality, i would buy the apple display over the dell, Samsung makes the best panels and that is not in dispute.
anthonymoody said:It still completely baffles me why anyone would buy the 23" Apple over the 24" Dell. Besides *still* being much cheaper (plus there are easy to find discounts which makes it - yes - MORE cheaper
My buddy had a 23" Apple HD he brought over to compare to my 24" Dell ($1000 using a coupon code) and he immediately put his 23"er on fleaBay and ordered the Dell. Side by side there was really no comparison.
It may have been true once upon a time that Apple's LCDs were generally superior to what else is out there, but not in the case of the 24" Dell.
TM
Hates to drag this off topic, but this being the second product announcement today, is it unlikely we will see iMacs very soon?
mpopkin said:
I agree. I have the older 20" Apple Cinema Display at home. I use a 19" TFT at work which has very similar 'specifications' on paper, but the Apple display is vastly superior. Especially with dark areas of images. The Apple display has very smooth graduation of colour and great contrast. The TFT at work is very poor at displaying dark images.
In a magazine recently, there was a roundup of large screen TFTs. The Dell's were not that impressive next to the Apple screen according to the review... all despite what the specs say.
Lacero said:
Lets do the math shall we? If we look at the number of pixels the 20" acd has a resolution of 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 pixels. The 23" has a resolution of 1920x1200 = 2,304,000
So. By shelling out an extra 87.6% you gain 30,61% screen real estate or 540,000 pixels. Not that bad actually. The marginal efficiency of that screen estate is definately worth it if you're working with graphics.
dell vs apple
Dell's displays are OEM from Sharp
Apple displays are OEM from Samsung and Philips LG
If you want a compareable (picture wise) display with no usb or firewire hub but a rotating display (that doesn't work in OSX) - get a Samsung.
If my customers don't want an Apple Display or CRT - I recommend Samsung displays the most.
Fredstar said:
Dell's displays are OEM from Sharp
Apple displays are OEM from Samsung and Philips LG
If you want a compareable (picture wise) display with no usb or firewire hub but a rotating display (that doesn't work in OSX) - get a Samsung.
If my customers don't want an Apple Display or CRT - I recommend Samsung displays the most.
mpopkin said:
Do some research, the Dell and Apple 20" LCDs are using the exact same screen. They have different backlights, but the panel itself is exactly the same, from the same factory - the LG.Philips LCD LM201W01.
I make no claims as to which is better, just thought there were some facts that needed clearing up...
I have a Dell 19" LCD, and it has so many more features than the Apple monitors. The Dell pivots 90 degrees for portrait mode (XLR8YOURMAC.com reported OS 10.4 is to support portrait mode) , and it has a 4-port USB 2.0 hub. Not to mention the Dell can be raised or lowered to different heights, all things the Apple displays cannot do (Apple has 2-port USB hub, I believe).classic009 said:
As for monitor comparisons, my PowerBook G4 Al 15" screen is not nearly as bright as my Dell screen hooked up to my Power Mac. Side-by-side, the Dell 19" monitor looks a lot better than my PowerBook screen. Yet even my Powerbook screen looks nice by itself and serves me well.
So, yes, even though the Apple 20" may look better than the Dell 20" side-by-side, for twice as much money, it just isn't worth it, IMHO. I'd go for the Dell monitor any day, especially considering the extra features. After coupons and such, I think you can get the Dell 20" for between $350-375.
Apple used to competitive with their displays when they dropped their prices. When they first dropped their 17" LCD from $1k to $600, that was as cheap as any other player in town, not to mention a better LCD. But now Apple has dropped their prices maybe to match Dell's list price, but ANY consumer (not just EDU) can get Dells at half off. Most consumers can't save but Amazon's $5 off an Apple LCD. Apple LCDs just are not a good value, and people will project that over to Apple Power Macs as well, shipping with 2x256MB RAM and a Radeon 9600 for a $2/2.5/3K computer.
cruci said:
Thanks for the link. I can verify that the Dell 2005FPW 20" widescreen flat panel is of excellent quality. I picked up one on sale from them last week for only $384 and it arrived with no dead pixels whatsoever and their service was excellent. As much as I like Apple, I also have to give Dell full props on their displays too.
Crap
Crap! They didn't lower the 30" price in Canada. The one I want gets no price cut... how typical. I'd get two 23" ACDs for the same price as 30" but with all the color problems that isn't really an option.
Crap! They didn't lower the 30" price in Canada. The one I want gets no price cut... how typical. I'd get two 23" ACDs for the same price as 30" but with all the color problems that isn't really an option.
These monitors are still way too pricey...
20" Dell widescreen is about $380 now with coupons.
24" Dell LCD is about $850 with coupons.
About half the price in both cases.
As someone else mentioned, the 20" Dell and Apple displays both use the same panel, with the Dell having more inputs and picture in picture.
The 24" Dell LCD has a better pixel response time and contrast, not to mention component, composite, S-video and VGA inputs compared to the Apple 23".
Please don't be blinded by the Apple logo people... just because it's Apple doesn't always mean it's better... but it does mean it's overpriced sometimes.
20" Dell widescreen is about $380 now with coupons.
24" Dell LCD is about $850 with coupons.
About half the price in both cases.
As someone else mentioned, the 20" Dell and Apple displays both use the same panel, with the Dell having more inputs and picture in picture.
The 24" Dell LCD has a better pixel response time and contrast, not to mention component, composite, S-video and VGA inputs compared to the Apple 23".
Please don't be blinded by the Apple logo people... just because it's Apple doesn't always mean it's better... but it does mean it's overpriced sometimes.
Ok, I cannot really decide now; I was planning on the 20" for sure, but now that the 23" is cheaper, I am not too sure. While the 20" is like half the price, the 23" is 1080i HD. What would you guys recommend, for use with my 15" PowerBook; I am also buying with my student discount, which would make the prices $699, and $1299. Is the 23" worth it?
Oh, and while the Dell moniters are great deals and all; I, being a hardcore Apple fan, refuse to put my PowerBook next to anything other than an Apple Cinema Display. Thanks.
Oh, and while the Dell moniters are great deals and all; I, being a hardcore Apple fan, refuse to put my PowerBook next to anything other than an Apple Cinema Display. Thanks.
My main complaint with the Apple monitors is that they have ONLY ONE INPUT for video source. The Dell beats out Apple handily in this department with the VGA, DVI, s-video, and composite all included.
For a $1499 monitor, you should be able to hook up more than one computer (or TiVo, X-Box, etc.). Personally, that's the dealbreaker for me.
For a $1499 monitor, you should be able to hook up more than one computer (or TiVo, X-Box, etc.). Personally, that's the dealbreaker for me.