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If that's your opinion about the iMac, then I must emphasize that you know absolutely NOTHING about the Apple computing experience and reliability, a platform that I've used since 1989.

Even if you wanted so hard you would not be able to show a single personal computer brand that is better than Apple in terms of design, ease of use, reliability, thinness (for those who need it), build quality, integration between hardware and software, customer service and overall return rates. Simple, because there is NONE.

Alone, I have helped at least 5 work colleagues switch to Macs after their HORRID experiences with the platform you seem to admire so benightedly; and ALL of them tell me: why didn't I switch earlier?

So again, go drink your decaf with Mr. Gates and enjoy the Windows experience...this is a Mac enthusiasts' site after all.

and after all those folks switching, Microsoft still is dominating market share at around 90%. Go Microsoft APPLE IS DEAD :p

More like 19:1

Just remember America isn't the world!

even worse
 
Yeah, great market share.

Now if they'd only bring out a mid-range tower... say for about $1500.

Not everyone needs an all-in-one with a glossy screen.


I tend to disagree. I think its pure genius the way they have desktops set up. everyone needs a monitor anyway, and personally I think the imacs are a great deal in terms of mid range. The mini's are pretty sweet little machines, and the pros are just.... well they're the mac pros. enough said.
 
Your gut is less scientific than Gizmodo. I was just trying to find a ballpark number. There are less than 6 million BD player outside of PS3 in the US. Split between standalone players and PC drives. There are over 30 million Mac users.

You said "the total PC users with BR is greater than all Apple hardware." You were wrong.

got it, instead of looking at the entire post, you decided to prove one statement to discount the entire spirit of the post.
 
This report is meaningless except for Apple PR. Apple has a unique sales channel, and most non-Apple consumers that buy from brick and mortar are buying SUB $1000 machines.

The bulk of >$1000 non-mac purchases are either done by power users or businesses and they are buying online or through business sales channels.
 
And I appreciate the Windows masses for absorbing all the Internet malware for me.

And I hate the Windows masses because my day at work consists of removing all that crap. I guess I am glad Windows exists because it gave me a job: removing all the viruses, malware, and fixing all the random problems Windows has.
 
Take the same parts and throw them into a bucket. How much would you be willing to pay for that? The quality of the assembly matters.

Well I wouldn't pay anything for it because it's just a bunch of parts in a bucket, not much good for anything. But by the same token, take the same parts and throw them into a bucket made of aluminum. How much would you be willing to pay for that?
 
I give kudos to the engineers and propeller heads on the innovative designs of Apple's products (Unibody Aluminum ranking at my personal favorite design), but come on now ... Apple neither invented nor personifies the embodiment of quality control or industrial design, did/do they?

Apple's quality control routinely leads the industry. Customer satisfaction, quality ratings such as Consumer Reports, and repair rates are regularly cited as best in the industry.

They annually win awards for industrial design which also reflects on the quality of their products. Industrial design isn't simply about how something looks, but also how it is put together and how you interact with it.
 
Apple's quality control routinely leads the industry. Customer satisfaction, quality ratings such as Consumer Reports, and repair rates are regularly cited as best in the industry.

They annually win awards for industrial design which also reflects on the quality of their products. Industrial design isn't simply about how something looks, but also how it is put together and how you interact with it.

This. And to add to that, Dell's customer support is almost nonexistant, many resellers I know don't sell Dell just for that reason. Once it's broken, no way to get it fixed.
 
If that's your opinion about the iMac, then I must emphasize that you know absolutely NOTHING about the Apple computing experience and reliability, a platform that I've used since 1989.

Even if you wanted so hard you would not be able to show a single personal computer brand that is better than Apple in terms of design, ease of use, reliability, thinness (for those who need it), build quality, integration between hardware and software, customer service and overall return rates. Simple, because there is NONE.

Alone, I have helped at least 5 work colleagues switch to Macs after their HORRID experiences with the platform you seem to admire so benightedly; and ALL of them tell me: why didn't I switch earlier?

So again, go drink your decaf with Mr. Gates and enjoy the Windows experience...this is a Mac enthusiasts' site after all.
Can I count myself as an OEM? :D
 
And I hate the Windows masses because my day at work consists of removing all that crap. I guess I am glad Windows exists because it gave me a job: removing all the viruses, malware, and fixing all the random problems Windows has.

again, its the users that usually inflict the most damage. this isn't about the security of the OS's which has already been proven, its apple rolling out a statistic that proves there aren't in touch with the current climate and spending habits in the personal computer space.
 
I tend to disagree. I think its pure genius the way they have desktops set up. everyone needs a monitor anyway, and personally I think the imacs are a great deal in terms of mid range. The mini's are pretty sweet little machines, and the pros are just.... well they're the mac pros. enough said.

Nah ... you can get quite a bit of bang for 1500 bucks in the PC market. However, the iMac is only a great deal because of sleek integration and overall ease in using one (ie. the Apple experience). Add in support and unless you really are an expert, you've generally got a bargain on the whole.

It makes my teeth ache though - building a top-of-the-line 24" iMac at the Apple website though. $2500 (includes Apple Care) seems like such a lot in today's economy for sure. Then again, who am I to point fingers? I am quite the nerd - having forked over almost $4k for that uber Intel 80486 Gateway 2000 PC tower back in the 90s! :eek:
 
This report is meaningless except for Apple PR. Apple has a unique sales channel, and most non-Apple consumers that buy from brick and mortar are buying SUB $1000 machines.

The bulk of >$1000 non-mac purchases are either done by power users or businesses and they are buying online or through business sales channels.

Yeah but most Apple users buy their macs online as well, because of configurations which you can't find in retail stores.
 
I think you have the order reversed - it's marketing spin, premium pricing, packaging, and the OS.

With Vista's high profile problems, OS and marketing spin have been muddled somewhat. Apple has been using Window's problems to leverage a larger share for the last couple of years. If Microsoft gets their stuff together with Windows 7 they may be able to detangle those two a bit more.

It is possible to set up Vista SP2 / Windows 7 so that avoid lots of problems common to legacy Windows. However, some of it is not having things come out of the box configured that way.

Yeah, there are some fanatics who unbox Apple stuff and just stare at it. The vast majority of Apple ads aren't primarily appeals to those folks.

The bigger spin factor is these skewed stats. We are big and successful so buy from us, because nobody every got fired for buying from big and successful. For example billions and billions of downloads... when that is also upgrades, free "throw away" apps, etc.

However, should discount the anti-consumer effect that tying has. If users were actually provided with choice (could take Mac OS where they wanted) some of this "valued added pricing" would evaporate.

The lack of hardware choices also squeezing folks into buying machines would rather not but but have limited choices.
 
Apple's quality control routinely leads the industry. Customer satisfaction, quality ratings such as Consumer Reports, and repair rates are regularly cited as best in the industry.

They annually win awards for industrial design which also reflects on the quality of their products. Industrial design isn't simply about how something looks, but also how it is put together and how you interact with it.

other than mass recalls to their power supplies for their iPhone and IPT spontaneously catching on fire.

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/22/apple-legal-reportedly-hinders-reporters-investigation-of-ipods-catching-fire/
 
You make it sound like the choice is basically between two identical computers, one of which has an Apple-logo on it.

This is a classic chestnut from the anti-Apple horde. "You're paying $500 for a logo!!!"

Ignorance at its finest.

Not surprisingly, I see this exact argument (raise the $500 part though) in other product forums, say, Chevy fans raging about BMWs (or even Hondas).
 
This. And to add to that, Dell's customer support is almost nonexistant, many resellers I know don't sell Dell just for that reason. Once it's broken, no way to get it fixed.

HUMBUG! This depends on your warranty, of course. M1710 XPS laptop from friend needed a new mobo and keyboard recently and the experience was very pleasant overall.

The outsourcing of support has hurt DELL's reputation, yes - but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet, ok? :D
 
This report is meaningless except for Apple PR. Apple has a unique sales channel, and most non-Apple consumers that buy from brick and mortar are buying SUB $1000 machines.
If you bring bulk purchases (corporate, institutional) into the picture certainly (and maybe even without them).
But for those persons willing to spend more than $1000 on a computer and wanting to have a nice shopping experience (in a nice store, with competent sales personal etc.), Apple offers their stores whereas other manufacturers cannot offer it. I can buy my clothes in 'cheap' store or in a upmarket designer boutique. They might in some respect offer similar products but the shopping experience in the designer boutique is nicer. Apple is capturing that market better.
 
Yeah but most Apple users buy their macs online as well, because of configurations which you can't find in retail stores.

So in rephrased, this study fails to count neither the Macs nor PCs units sold in the over $1,000 price range.

Your point only adds the what that previous poster is pointing out how this study does not map to making grand statements about the broader personal computer marketplace.
 
I think you have the order reversed - it's marketing spin, premium pricing, packaging, and the OS.

Yeah, and Microsoft got where it is strictly by the quality of its product. :rolleyes:

(Or maybe there's some website that I don't know about where people post their "unboxing videos" for their Inspirons, VAIOs and Pres.)

I've seen plenty of unboxing videos for non-Apple products. Perhaps you need to get away from MacRumors sometimes? ;)

That said, no one is going to do an unboxing video for a $600 HP laptop. Because, well, it's an HP laptop and no one cares.
 
got it, instead of looking at the entire post, you decided to prove one statement to discount the entire spirit of the post.

What was the spirit of the post? Sorry, I was looking at the words of the post.

It seemed to be that you were saying that Macs are likely less successful than blu-ray players even though blu-ray players are looked at as being unsuccessful.

What part of what you said in spirit is correct?
 
HUMBUG! This depends on your warranty, of course. M1710 XPS laptop from friend needed a new mobo and keyboard recently and the experience was very pleasant overall.

The outsourcing of support has hurt DELL's reputation, yes - but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet, ok? :D

I called Dell support to return a product recently, and they tried to make a deal with me over the phone to keep it! I felt like I was shopping in Mexico again. They offered to credit me back some money if I didn't return the item. What kind of customer service is that? Are they that desperate?

Now I know how to get a free discount from Dell if I ever buy from them again. Call, say I don't want it, and boom: they send me some money back to get me to keep the item. Sweet.
 
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