Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I didn't say this at all???? I said place the parts in a apple laptop (by the way the case is the only part that apple uses superior material on) and a sony laptop.

And what do you get? A plastic system with worse battery life, non US based tech support, inconvenient repair procedures, and Windows. You are on a Mac forum, people aren't going to let up on you...
 
If you're not using cost as a differentation metric, then what/how are you choosing to define what the term "high end" means?

Cost is a differentiation metric - apparently for all the tech guru reporters, bloggers, and yes - Apple itself. Is anyone denying the internals of an iMac and laptops are about the same? They pretty much are.

It's the OS (primarily), packaging, premium pricing, and marketing spin that has awarded Apple its place in the high-end market, NOT the components under the hood of its products.
 
Cost is a differentiation metric - apparently for all the tech guru reporters, bloggers, and yes - Apple itself. Is anyone denying the internals of an iMac and laptops are about the same? They pretty much are.

It's the OS (primarily), packaging, premium pricing, and marketing spin that has awarded Apple its place in the high-end market, NOT the components under the hood of its products.

+1

I wasted all of my posts and time and you come in a make the point I have failed to make. Thank you.
 
It's not only good, it's the HIGHEST market share in the history of personal computers for that segment. Apple is, as usual, firing on ALL cylinders and teaching money-bleeding companies such as MS and Dell how to manage a global IT corporation. Why buy a stupid PC when you can have the BEST computer out there? There is ABSOLUTELY no appeal or justification to buy Windows today.

The naive ones that don't believe me when I say MS is DEAD will eat some high-grade crow sooner than later...MS is a train wreck while Apple leads the pack in ALL areas where it conducts its business.

Dell, it's time to close up shop and give the little money you have left back to shareholders...or perhaps to MS, so that it can survive a little bit longer.

MS IS DEAD.

I was hoping to read such a post :eek:, at the end of the day they are still less than 10% market share. To put that into perspective, even though BD isn't wildly adopted in all machines, i would say the total PC users with BD is greater than all Apple hardware. As other folks have said, this just speaks to the fact that apple refuses to cater to the market place. Of course their margins are high, they are overpriced.
 
It's the OS, packaging, premium pricing, and marketing spin that has awarded Apple its place in the high-end market...

I think you have the order reversed - it's marketing spin, premium pricing, packaging, and the OS.

(Or maybe there's some website that I don't know about where people post their "unboxing videos" for their Inspirons, VAIOs and Pres.)


...[Apple] are still less than 10% market share. To put that into perspective, even though BR isn't wildly adopted in all machines, i would say the total PC users with BR is greater than all Apple hardware. As other folks have said, this just speaks to the fact that apple refuses to cater to the market place. Of course their margins are high, they are overpriced.

I thought that you were talking about BRLawyer, then realized that you mean BD (Blu-ray Disc).

Blu-ray Disc (also known as Blu-ray or BD)

201px-Blu-ray_Disc.svg.png
 
I'm going to argue this one because I used to build my own PCs as well, and they were good upper-middle-class machines running upper-middle processors and video cards as well as the best RAM for the money, not the most expensive, but just below the price break-point. I usually spend about $1000 to build the machines and then bought a new video card about every nine months to keep it as current as I could without getting ridiculous.

Problem was, even on decent hardware, the machines needed weekly scans and daily updates to avoid malware and more than once I would need to replace a power supply as well, despite going as high as a 450W power supply on a 1.7Mhz processor machine that should have been fine at 250W. It's not like I overclocked or anything.

I've now been using a 2.8Ghz iMac for a hair shy of 2 years. I've not needed to upgrade the video card or replace the power supply. I've not needed to do weekly security scans and my AV (yes, I use one just in case) updates fingerprints once a week, if that often. In other words, I haven't had to spend another penny on my iMac since I bought it. This, to me, demonstrates a far higher ROI than even a scratch-built PC costing $1000.

Apple has earned my business by always providing me with a reliable piece of hardware and an easy-to-use operating system that allows me to run my business and my leisure on one machine.

what you mentioned was software related base on your usage - Malware and AV? What are you doing that puts you at that much risk? and power supply? How is that Microsoft's fault? Last time i checked, they are a software company and don't make power supply's. Its not like Apple has an exclusive power supply company that only they can use.
 
I think you have the order reversed - it's marketing spin, premium pricing, packaging, and the OS.

(Or maybe there's some website that I don't know about where people post their "unboxing videos" for their Inspirons, VAIOs and Pres.)

Well ... actually ... there IS! :D

EDIT: Ok, Ok... not a video ... but still geeky, nonetheless. :)
 
Cost is a differentiation metric - apparently for all the tech guru reporters, bloggers, and yes - Apple itself. Is anyone denying the internals of an iMac and laptops are about the same? They pretty much are.

It's the OS (primarily), packaging, premium pricing, and marketing spin that has awarded Apple its place in the high-end market, NOT the components under the hood of its products.

I would add in quality control, industrial design, customer support, and integration across product.
 
You make it sound like the choice is basically between two identical computers, one of which has an Apple-logo on it. Anyone who has actually done hands-on comparison between a Mac and a PC will immediately notice the differences between the two. And those difference go deeper than what logo happens to adorn the computer.

You do realise that 'a PC' is actually a representation of a massive range of machines with near infinite customisation and that for the same reasons you say we can't compare Macs to PCs we can't consider PCs as a homogeneous product either?

Now if we're talking specifics then, yes, we can. Generally though? Nope.
 
Funny how I have owned and currently own more computers, macs as well, then you have ever owned.

And just how many of what do you and have you owned? And when? Personally, that is.


I just prefer to think for myself and not follow the coolest trend.

Interesting that you should say that, since you seem to be following the "I'm a PC" trend.


Enjoy your iMac it is very pretty and well a great consumer product. I do require more from my computers then hello kitty and email.

You mean things like Photography? Writing? Blogging? Newsletters? WORK? My iMac does all of that, and hasn't given me a moment's trouble.


I have never understood how so many people on this forum have a friend who blew up their hard drive. I guess what you are saying is Apple makes computers for people who have no idea how to manage a computer. I agree.

You purposely misread that one, since he said that the technician blew up the hard drive. The iMac with OS X is one of the most robust desktops out there for reliability. And it even runs Windows better than an 'equivalent' PC--as has been reported by many different reviewers, including, of all publications, Popular Mechanics.
 
Walk into Best Buy. Alienware (now a part of Dell) is perhaps the only brand you won't see there. IBM (Lenovo), Dell, and especially Toshiba are sold frequently in physical stores. And lets not forget the other king of $1,000 computers, Sony (who actually makes a decent product), which is sold heavily in stores. While on the other hand, Apple also has very strong online sales.

91% really is impressive. I never want to see Apple slashing the quality of their products in an effort to complete with these terrible low-price computers. I can't even imagine the field-day the media would have with the 'Apple' word if their products were released with as many problems as most of these other brands (though admittedly not as common in the $1000+ computers). HP tossed out a delightful surprise nearly every two months (such as a computer released with faulty video drivers, or another computer with a button that broke for many within weeks). Unsurprisingly this was a little while after they announced to their shareholders that they'd be cutting money spent on quality/premium parts, and focusing on aesthetics and marketing (at lower price points). It was a 'success'.

Where have you been, Apple have slashed the quality ever since the Intel switch!!!
 
You'd be wrong. There are only about 11 million blu-ray players in the US. More than half are PS3s.

http://gizmodo.com/5317003/blu+ray-sales-up-91-awesome-percent

ahhh....Gizmodo, there is scientific data. My point being all this posturing about how Apple is far superior and they are still around the 10% market share and i would be interested to see the metrics of PC's w/BD vs total Mac sales. My gut says that it would an eye opener for most
 
ahhh....Gizmodo, there is scientific data. My point being all this posturing about how Apple is far superior and they are still around the 10% market share and i would be interested to see the metrics of PC's w/BR vs total Mac sales. My gut says that it would an eye opener for most

I think BMW's are superior but not everyone can afford one.
 
First off here we go again with I saw something 2 years ago that proves my point. Lets keep this discussion reasonable. Apple has a huge profit margin on every computer they make. This is a fact. It is smart business by apple they are a great company. In fact they have the largest profit margin per computer in the computer industry. They are a company that knows how to make money. How do they make that huge profit margin?

2 years ago? It was 3 months ago. If Apple has a huge profit margin on every product they make (which they do), they are not alone in that. Like I said, Alienware may have even bigger profit margin since they don't spend as much money on industrial design as Apple does, yet they sell the same product for approximately the same price.
 
I am glad it served you well. Like I stated the average consumer has no problem with inferior parts in a fancy enclosure. I just hate when uninformed people come in and say apple sells high-end computers. They don't!! They sell one high end computer, the macpro, the rest are cheap computers sold at a high price.

If that's your opinion about the iMac, then I must emphasize that you know absolutely NOTHING about the Apple computing experience and reliability, a platform that I've used since 1989.

Even if you wanted so hard you would not be able to show a single personal computer brand that is better than Apple in terms of design, ease of use, reliability, thinness (for those who need it), build quality, integration between hardware and software, customer service and overall return rates. Simple, because there is NONE.

Alone, I have helped at least 5 work colleagues switch to Macs after their HORRID experiences with the platform you seem to admire so benightedly; and ALL of them tell me: why didn't I switch earlier?

So again, go drink your decaf with Mr. Gates and enjoy the Windows experience...this is a Mac enthusiasts' site after all.
 
I would add in quality control, industrial design, customer support, and integration across product.

Of those three, I value the customer support the most. Though I must say it is quite an experience trying to schedule any One-to-One time on MY schedule. The Apple retail store I go to only schedules like a week or less out ... How can I possibly plan to use the service I've paid for with this small window?

I give kudos to the engineers and propeller heads on the innovative designs of Apple's products (Unibody Aluminum ranking at my personal favorite design), but come on now ... Apple neither invented nor personifies the embodiment of quality control or industrial design, did/do they?

I also give honorable mention to Apple's integration across product category. Clearly, I have the Mac Mini to thank for my wonderful little Netbook running OSX. :p
 
Funny how I have owned and currently own more computers, macs as well, then you have ever owned. I just prefer to think for myself and not follow the coolest trend. Enjoy your iMac it is very pretty and well a great consumer product. I do require more from my computers then hello kitty and email. I have never understood how so many people on this forum have a friend who blew up their hard drive. I guess what you are saying is Apple makes computers for people who have no idea how to manage a computer. I agree.

:rolleyes:

I run my business from my mac. My sister earns thousands from her mac. What do you do... play games?
 
I think BMW's are superior but not everyone can afford one.

again, market share has nothing to do with what you feel is superior, it strictly that, market share. What you,i, or anyone else "feels" is irrelevant. Facts are that PC's dominate Mac's 9:1 give or take.
 
See this post is the only reason that I have even tried to stir up a fight. Fine hate me for what I say but please think of the children!! This kid thinks apple uses some fancy magic computer parts in their systems that are better than all other computers. Other than the case THEY ARE THE SAME PARTS!!! Most of the time they are inferior to the $800 computer.

*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ* Wrong answer!

Apple does something the other brands don't do, except for the high-end builders like Alienware; they actually specify the parameters of the parts they order and if those parts don't meet the specification, the entire shipment is returned to the supplier. How do I know? I used to work for one of those suppliers and I've seen a shipment returned because a random sampling of components fell outside of Apple's specification; forcing a 100% QA retesting before Apple would accept another shipment.

Maybe you should check out iSuppli. Their teardowns of computer products have reported more than once that "...with Apple you get more bang for your buck."
 
ahhh....Gizmodo, there is scientific data. My point being all this posturing about how Apple is far superior and they are still around the 10% market share and i would be interested to see the metrics of PC's w/BR vs total Mac sales. My gut says that it would an eye opener for most

Your gut is less scientific than Gizmodo. I was just trying to find a ballpark number. There are less than 6 million BD player outside of PS3 in the US. Split between standalone players and PC drives. There are over 30 million Mac users.

You said "the total PC users with BR is greater than all Apple hardware." You were wrong.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.