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I think you will find the words were used because Apple's figures were not independently verified and thus figures cannot be taken as fact or truth which means when writing an article, the correct method of writing is to say '<company> claims x amount was prevented'. If the figures were independently verified then the article could be written as '<company> prevented x amount from occurring'.

Wording matters.
Yes it does. Using "claims" is not a problem. The fact that both the Apple headline and MacRumors headline chose to omit "potentially" when that word was used in the body of the report is a problem.
 
I think there's a real argument that some apps might leave the App Store, but I think this argument is also overblown. What I can imagine happening is major services and apps like Facebook, Adobe, etc. leaving in favor of selling direct to their customers. I can also imagine many of them staying and/or making their apps available through multiple channels.
The real solution could be that Apple relaxes the restrictions on Apps and only stops Apps that are spam or real security threats. Right now Apple stops lots of Apps that offer no harm to the devices owners simply because Apple does not like the App for one reason or another.
 
All of those scammers will get to the iPhone users through side loading, good luck Europe.
 
Pricey but not the same I hope you know
Not the same, but also not an excuse. Well, clearly people are using it as an excuse.

There’s no way that Apple’s $1,200 4TB SSD costs them more than $500 — probably way, way less.
 
No but if giving them the option guarantees 50% (made up stat because no one knows how bad it could get) rise in iOS malware, is it really worth it? Remember, Mac users are very different than iOS users who are much more vulnerable and less tech saavy. You will also be paying more in terms of speed, security, cost and convenience for the privilege because of all the malware detection/prevention required and that doesn’t even count all your stolen data that will be sold and used against you in the future. We already know this will happen because it exploded on the PC side due in big part to side loading with and without security warnings.

But is your average iOS user that different from your average Android user?

Right now users are more at risk from crafted communication (text, mail, calls) than anything else and more likely to have their data stolen via that method or via big-box-hacks (big companies).

JMHO, I feel like this is a bit over-blown.
 
No. It’s more than than just a learned behavior.

With the AppStore I know

  • I’m less likely to download something that has malware, and if did, I’d bet Apple would remove/block it as soon as it was discovered.
  • I can get my money back if I don’t like a purchase I made (as long as I don’t abuse it)
  • I can easily cancel a subscription
  • My payment information is safe
  • The App will stay updated through the appstore
I did one of the first iOS jailbreaks back in the day. The Cydia (i think it was Cydia or something like that) apps would constantly crash my phone and causes glitches. Similarly, I’m very cautious installing non-AppStore software on my Mac, whereas if something is on the AppStore I install it with abandon.

Apple and Potatoes.
You are talking malware (so is Apple) and most else is talking about functions, apps, points of sale that Apple deliberately blocks.
Apple wants you tied, locked to the company store. Check history for those “benefits”.

JB and Cydia in the beginning was the WWW. Depending on the JB exploit and app/function installed and Apple’s never ending quest to hamstring JBing, crashes happened. Sometimes all to often. When I stopped JBing a couple years back, the landscape had gotten a whole mess cleaner and stable.

btw - I have yet to buy any software from the MacStore that Apple doesn’t produce. To each their own.
 
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I wish the EU and other governments would simply make Apple provide guarantees about the apps in its App Store rather than focusing on sideloading. Sideloading will be a security risk and allowing it will likely cause an exodus, leaving a hollowed out App Store that's like macOS's rump of an app store.
 
I wish the EU and other governments would simply make Apple provide guarantees about the apps in its App Store rather than focusing on sideloading. Sideloading will be a security risk and allowing it will likely cause an exodus, leaving a hollowed out App Store that's like macOS's rump of an app store.

It's for post like this I wish we had a "Hmmm...." response emoji.

Because of the language and legalese would guarantees change anything?
 
Doesn’t mean you can’t give people an option, like on the Mac…
Who exactly do you think the option goes to? Certainly not users. The moment side loading becomes available every developer that doesn't feel they are benefiting from the 15% cut they pay to Apple is going to pull their app and put it on their website instead, at which point users have no choice but to get the app from the web and lose all benefits of the App Store. Not seeing any user choice there. Just a worse overall experience for users.

For developers, it will be nice to have the choice. But let's not pretend like this is good for users.
 
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I wish the EU and other governments would simply make Apple provide guarantees about the apps in its App Store rather than focusing on sideloading. Sideloading will be a security risk and allowing it will likely cause an exodus, leaving a hollowed out App Store that's like macOS's rump of an app store.
An Apple guarantee....ha ha....not worth anything...
 
It's for post like this I wish we had a "Hmmm...." response emoji.

Because of the language and legalese would guarantees change anything?
If Apple were held liable for any malicious apps it let through to the public via the App Store, then you might see they vet apps more carefully. Apple advertise their walled garden is secure. Make them pay when it is not.
 
An Apple guarantee....ha ha....not worth anything...
Most of the time I have had a positive experience with Apple regarding faulty hardware that is under warranty, which are the only times I have had to determine whether Apple would stand by its guarantees. I take it your experience is different?
 
Who exactly do you think the option goes to? Certainly not users. The moment side loading becomes available every developer that doesn't feel they are benefiting from the 15% cut they pay to Apple is going to pull their app and put it on their website instead, at which point users have no choice but to get the app from the web and lose all benefits of the App Store. Not seeing any user choice there. Just a worse overall experience for users.

For developers, it will be nice to have the choice. But let's not pretend like this is good for users.

We would have seen this or very similar behavior on Android. If anything, smaller devs will offer their apps on a few different sites including the official store. Prices may vary.
 
If Apple were held liable for any malicious apps it let through to the public via the App Store, then you might see they vet apps more carefully. Apple advertise their walled garden is secure. Make them pay when it is not.

For that Apple would need to commit to an in depth technical review.
Don't see that happening any time soon.
 
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We would have seen this or very similar behavior on Android. If anything, smaller devs will offer their apps on a few different sites including the official store. Prices may vary.
I'm sure Epic et al have been spending millions to allow smaller devs to maybe offer their apps on a few different sites including the official store. :rolleyes:

Android is evidence that the increased competition from these new rules is a fiction.
 
If Apple were held liable for any malicious apps it let through to the public via the App Store, then you might see they vet apps more carefully. Apple advertise their walled garden is secure. Make them pay when it is not.
Good luck holding a corporation responsible for anything, let alone getting accountability from a tech industry corporation... Laissez-faire capitalism is cancer to civilization.
 
We would have seen this or very similar behavior on Android. If anything, smaller devs will offer their apps on a few different sites including the official store. Prices may vary.
Why would we have seen it on Android? That's not an especially profitable platform. Nothing compared to iOS, in fact. Completely different business altogether.

Can simply look to the Mac. Most of the top apps for Mac are not available on the Mac App Store at all.
 
But is your average iOS user that different from your average Android user?

Right now users are more at risk from crafted communication (text, mail, calls) than anything else and more likely to have their data stolen via that method or via big-box-hacks (big companies).

JMHO, I feel like this is a bit over-blown.
I believe iOS and Android users are similar enough to be lumped into the same bunch. Android users are a little more tech savvy because the openness of that platform attracts those customers. But there are over 3 billion Android users and the vast majority (98%) of them are still just consumers that want a phone and don't care how it works.

The two methods you describe go hand in hand and affect one another. Any weakening of security on either side affects the other side as well.

This might be overblown but you cannot put the genie back in the bottle once it's out. For Apple, there is little upside. I don't believe they will gain any new users because there is side loading. More customers leave Android for Apple than vice versa and this is because they want the security of a walled garden. Apple customers don't expect an opening in the walled garden but they will certainly lose users who got burnt through hacking, ransomware, malware, data theft or their phone just got bricked. And Apple will have to pay for all of that additional support.
 
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And yet, the App Store is still filled with scammy junk...

This says something about humans and unregulated capitalism.
You're talking about the moderation problem that social media also has. Even with good moderation, you still get 1%-3% bad actors. That is good enough for most users, companies and even regulators. But we only hear about the 1%-3% from the media who needs .0001% to be a problem because their revenue depends upon it.
 
You're talking about the moderation problem that social media also has. Even with good moderation, you still get 1%-3% bad actors. That is good enough for most users, companies and even regulators. But we only hear about the 1%-3% from the media who needs .0001% to be a problem because their revenue depends upon it.
Yes, social media does also have this problem. However, it's not "good enough for most users, companies, and even regulators" because it's clearly harmful to all the above. Well, not the companies; they find profit in every kind of laziness and abuse available, especially in doing as little moderation as possible. It's harmful to their customers and to society, but they have no loyalty to either.

If you don't think it's harmful, you must have never fallen prey to exploitation, abuse, or scams... or you somehow chose to blame yourself for it when you were.
 
I'm sure Epic et al have been spending millions to allow smaller devs to maybe offer their apps on a few different sites including the official store. :rolleyes:

Android is evidence that the increased competition from these new rules is a fiction.

Epic tried this with Android and we saw how far this went.
I suspect Epic wants an app store on device. Their biggest complaint with Android was difficulty in executing sideloading.
 
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