Apple Claims Key Android Framework 'Inspired' by Andy Rubin's Work at Apple

[brainless]

Wow. You seem to have a selective memory. MSFT experimented with multi-touch using cameras and projectors, not capacitive screens. MSFT Surface was originally done using projectors and cameras to capture gestures and devices on the table.

Apple bought fingerworks which did the original research on multitouch using capacitive screens. Go look it up.'

Funny. Before accusing someone of selective memory, try to do some research. Some pointers that should give you a head start :

http://users.erols.com/rwservices/pens/penhist.html

http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/42092

http://iconia-6120.com/multi-touch-displays/

http://issuu.com/winnyvisva/docs/multitouch-timeline

If you think iPhone is the first PDA/touch-screen only device, try this one :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon

Apple might have some patents, but that's the irony of the suing someone to protect the patent, they most likely lose that patent forever, because it is obvious this is a prior art.

 

[MattInOz]

What you are saying here is that its okay to steal other peoples work as long as its not patented? If a bicycle is not locked then its okay to steal it aswell huh?

Dumb.

Given the tests for Patentablity and there rather loose application of late. I think there is an assumption that anything not patented would have to so freaking obvious to anyone not just those familiar with the art. It's kind of like accusing someone of stealing the times tables from there school teacher.

Even infringing patents these days is mostly a case of bad timing than stealing.

 

[ViViDboarder]

Not this again.

Googles notification system is inspired by Cydia notification system for unlocked iOS devices.

Apple hired the developer of that Cydia app and integrated it into iOS5. So Apple have not been inspired by Google in this case.

Hate Apple. Love Google.
But use facts.

Actually this is false.

Google had their notification system since the first Android phone, which I believe was released in 2007. I'm assuming the Cydia app you are talking about is LockInfo. LockInfo was released in Beta form in late 2008 and close to 2009. Notified came after that even (this was the guy hired by Apple).

Unless there is a different app I am not aware of... Cydia developers did not do it first.

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Given the tests for Patentablity and there rather loose application of late. I think there is an assumption that anything not patented would have to so freaking obvious to anyone not just those familiar with the art. It's kind of like accusing someone of stealing the times tables from there school teacher.

Even infringing patents these days is mostly a case of bad timing than stealing.

Well, sometimes they don't think it should be pattentable. Although, Apple has managed to patent several things that are questionable themselves.

The whole system is whack...

 

[KnightWRX]

Actually this is false.

Google had their notification system since the first Android phone, which I believe was released in 2007. I'm assuming the Cydia app you are talking about is LockInfo. LockInfo was released in Beta form in late 2008 and close to 2009. Notified came after that even (this was the guy hired by Apple).

Unless there is a different app I am not aware of... Cydia developers did not do it first.

Indeed, lockinfo isn't even close to the notifications system of Android. The first Android phone showed up late in 2008, but you can find a preview of the notification system that dates back to 2007 on this page :

http://www.googletutor.com/a-very-early-preview-of-android/

So yes, the Cydia guys were inspired by Android and not the other way around.

The Android folk can also be innovative, contrary to popular belief here. Let's give credit where credit is due.

 

[dethmaShine]

Indeed, lockinfo isn't even close to the notifications system of Android. The first Android phone showed up late in 2008, but you can find a preview of the notification system that dates back to 2007 on this page :

http://www.googletutor.com/a-very-early-preview-of-android/

So yes, the Cydia guys were inspired by Android and not the other way around.

The Android folk can also be innovative, contrary to popular belief here. Let's give credit where credit is due.

Let's get this sorted.

SBSettings came long before the first Android phone; even before the article you cited.
SBSettings has the same drop-down action which was then used by Android for their notifications and control toggles.

http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/the-future-of-bossprefs/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings-tethering-toggles/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/tag/cydia/page/8/

So the real similarities b/w Android notifications and iOS notifications?

- both incorporate drop-down menus for notifications. Now we come to a conclusion that the drop-down is nothing but an extension of SBSettings first released for the iPhone back in October 2007.

- ....???

I wouldn't say android copied SBSettings drop-down menu as it is just freaking drop down menu used from back in the day in most unix platforms and desktop managers for SunOS and linux systems.

 

[Jofro]

Help

When I click my time machine icon nothing happens.
Listen I know this is the wrong thread and the wrong forum but could someone please guide this distressed pilgrim.

 

[KnightWRX]

could someone please guide this distressed pilgrim.

Sure, no problem. Just click here and post your problem :

https://forums.macrumors.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=78

 

[voonyx]

Let's get this sorted.

SBSettings came long before the first Android phone; even before the article you cited.
SBSettings has the same drop-down action which was then used by Android for their notifications and control toggles.

http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/the-future-of-bossprefs/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings-tethering-toggles/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/tag/cydia/page/8/

So the real similarities b/w Android notifications and iOS notifications?

- both incorporate drop-down menus for notifications. Now we come to a conclusion that the drop-down is nothing but an extension of SBSettings first released for the iPhone back in October 2007.

- ....???

I wouldn't say android copied SBSettings drop-down menu as it is just freaking drop down menu used from back in the day in most unix platforms and desktop managers for SunOS and linux systems.

Uh oh, the Android fans are going to be very vewwy uspet...

 

[Oletros]

So the real similarities b/w Android notifications and iOS notifications?

- both incorporate drop-down menus for notifications. Now we come to a conclusion that the drop-down is nothing but an extension of SBSettings first released for the iPhone back in October 2007.

- ....???

I wouldn't say android copied SBSettings drop-down menu as it is just freaking drop down menu used from back in the day in most unix platforms and desktop managers for SunOS and linux systems.

Yap, the problem is the people that says iOS 5 copied Android

 

[Smoother]

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And is Android's notification system patented? No. Find another example.

Nothing about Android is patented if I recall right, it's free to copy. I love Google for those type of things, if not I'd not be in the market to switch from Android to iOS .

Basically this whole thing Apple started is just ridiculous, If one can see the clear example then imo it's fine to sue. But if you need to dig in just to look after things you can use in a lawsuit, that's just ridiculous. And demanding ban instead of demanding a small cut is even worse. For example Microsoft makes more money of HTC then they do of Windows Phone based on patents.

In the end consumers lose, the lawyers (and partially the stockholders) win (or lose).
And the nerdy fanboys might sleep better (or worse) as well.

What if Nokia and Ericsson took patents for everything they created in the 80s, then maybe nobody could create phones besides them wouldn't that be a great world. Or if IBM banned everyone from making touchscreen mobile phones.

 

[Dbrown]

Let's get this sorted.

SBSettings came long before the first Android phone; even before the article you cited.
SBSettings has the same drop-down action which was then used by Android for their notifications and control toggles.

http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/the-future-of-bossprefs/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/sbsettings-tethering-toggles/
http://jailbreak-iphone.ru/en/tag/cydia/page/8/

So the real similarities b/w Android notifications and iOS notifications?

- both incorporate drop-down menus for notifications. Now we come to a conclusion that the drop-down is nothing but an extension of SBSettings first released for the iPhone back in October 2007.

- ....???

I wouldn't say android copied SBSettings drop-down menu as it is just freaking drop down menu used from back in the day in most unix platforms and desktop managers for SunOS and linux systems.

I clicked the links and I dont see a drop down notification system. All I see is a drop down menu that holds a bunch of toggles. So yes, apple copied androids drop down notification system

 

[dethmaShine]

Yap, the problem is the people that says iOS 5 copied Android

Hence the reason I posted to get those people out of their Reality Distortion Field. iOS 5 does NOT copy Android.

I clicked the links and I dont see a drop down notification system. All I see is a drop down menu that holds a bunch of toggles. So yes, apple copied androids drop down notification system

Duh!

The only similarity in Android and iOS 5 notifications is the drop-down menu gesture which I proved was taken from SBSettings. So there is not a question of iOS 5 taking that from Android.

The rest of the notifications look entirely different.



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Nothing about Android is patented if I recall right, it's free to copy. I love Google for those type of things, if not I'd not be in the market to switch from Android to iOS .

Basically this whole thing Apple started is just ridiculous, If one can see the clear example then imo it's fine to sue. But if you need to dig in just to look after things you can use in a lawsuit, that's just ridiculous. And demanding ban instead of demanding a small cut is even worse. For example Microsoft makes more money of HTC then they do of Windows Phone based on patents.

In the end consumers lose, the lawyers (and partially the stockholders) win (or lose).
And the nerdy fanboys might sleep better (or worse) as well.

What if Nokia and Ericsson took patents for everything they created in the 80s, then maybe nobody could create phones besides them wouldn't that be a great world. Or if IBM banned everyone from making touchscreen mobile phones.

So why was it 'cool' when Nokia filed an injunction against Apple, twice?

 

[Dbrown]

Hence the reason I posted to get those people out of their Reality Distortion Field. iOS 5 does NOT copy Android.



Duh!

The only similarity in Android and iOS 5 notifications is the drop-down menu gesture which I proved was taken from SBSettings. So there is not a question of iOS 5 taking that from Android.

The rest of the notifications look entirely different.

Are you being ignorant on purpose? What apple copied was the notifications aggregated in a drop down menu which is activated by swiping down from the status bar. SBSettings only had toggles, not notifcations so bringing that up is stupid since drop down menus arent unique.

 

[hchung]

Indeed, lockinfo isn't even close to the notifications system of Android. The first Android phone showed up late in 2008, but you can find a preview of the notification system that dates back to 2007 on this page :

The Android folk can also be innovative, contrary to popular belief here. Let's give credit where credit is due.

And realistically, the only thing special I've seen from Android's user notification UI has been the "drag from top of the screen" gesture.

If we want to see where user notifications as they are now came from, the next step back in time would be Windows Mobile (circa 2000)? (I had a PocketPC 2002, so I know it was before that.)

Hail to the king?

 

[MattInOz]

If your going to get old school on the notification then check out this screen grab from Newton HIG. Full document can be found on the wiki article.



Ok so it's a tap not a swipe down.

edit: Does this mean that Apple 2.0 copied Apple 1.5?

 

[rjohnstone]

The only similarity in Android and iOS 5 notifications is the drop-down menu gesture which I proved was taken from SBSettings. So there is not a question of iOS 5 taking that from Android.

The rest of the notifications look entirely different.

Way to change the subject.
No body is talking about the swipe down gesture, it's the whole package.

As for the look, the layout in iOS 5 is identical to Android.

SBS Settings is NOT a notification system, it is simply a shortcut bar.
And it's initial implementation was a tap or swipe sideways across the status bar, not swipe down.
Swipe down came later.

 

[hchung]

As for the look, the layout in iOS 5 is identical to Android.

No. It isn't identical.

If only Android would copy iOS5's use of having a clear button for each app instead of a single clear button for all user notifications. Oh wait, that can't happen because Android and iOS5's notification UIs group their items differently.

 

[Dbrown]

No. It isn't identical.

If only Android would copy iOS5's use of having a clear button for each app instead of a single clear button for all user notifications. Oh wait, that can't happen because Android and iOS5's notification UIs group their items differently.

it's not identical but still a copy.

 

[firewood]

What you are saying here is that its okay to steal other peoples work as long as its not patented? If a bicycle is not locked then its okay to steal it aswell huh?

A bicycle is a physical item. The idea that non-material ideas could be considered property which could be "stolen" is a fairly recent concept in historical terms, an idea which mostly didn't exist before Gutenburg's printing press, and still doesn't exist in some parts of the world (unless forced to by the WTO).

In some ideological circles, there is the random idea that not freely sharing all your IP is stealing from the public. In the U.S., Patents and Copyrights are just governmental handouts, as permitted by the Constitution, done in order to hopefully encourage other things.

 

[kdarling]

If only Android would copy iOS5's use of having a clear button for each app instead of a single clear button for all user notifications.

More like Android should've copied WebOS, which always had a clear for each notification... you just swipe it to one side and that one disappears.

Really nice. WebOS did (does) many common tasks extremely well.

 

[cmaier]

A bicycle is a physical item. The idea that non-material ideas could be considered property which could be "stolen" is a fairly recent concept in historical terms, an idea which mostly didn't exist before Gutenburg's printing press, and still doesn't exist in some parts of the world (unless forced to by the WTO).

In some ideological circles, there is the random idea that not freely sharing all your IP is stealing from the public. In the U.S., Patents and Copyrights are just governmental handouts, as permitted by the Constitution, done in order to hopefully encourage other things.

According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle) bicycles date to the 19th century.

According to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property#History), some aspects of the concept of intellectual property date to ancient Jewish law.

Trademarks arguably date to the Roman Empire (and certainly to the 1300's in Europe).

Patents date to 500 BC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patents#History)

I don't think this counts as "recent."

 

[hchung]

it's not identical but still a copy.

Sure, there's plenty of copying going around. But both Android and iOS5 are more copies of WinMo and Newton than of each other.

 

[CQd44]

At least they're not like Oracle, who I read was demanding destruction of every android device.

Really though, they should just let eachother be. Does Apple think they're not making enough money or something?

 

[KnightWRX]

At least they're not like Oracle, who I read was demanding destruction of every android device.

Too bad for Oracle that most of their case was thrown out and their damages deflated severely and they haven't even reached trial yet.

 

[CQd44]

Too bad for Oracle that most of their case was thrown out and their damages deflated severely and they haven't even reached trial yet.

More like thank goodness. Can you imagine families getting those letters in the mail?

"Due to a recent outcome in.... you must now destroy your phone. Have a nice day."

It would've created a new kind of contraband!