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Apple Closes All Stores, Corporate Offices, and Contact Centers in China Through February 9 Due to Coronavirus Outbreak

Actually you see also concerns with global companies. A lot of them has travel restriction to China. Here in Germany for example Lufthansa cancelled all flights to and from China.

The German Air Force brought back some Germans from Wuhan region and put them directly in quarantine for 14 days.

Hope they can control the virus soon.
 
Metamorphoser said:
Actually you see also concerns with global companies. A lot of them has travel restriction to China. Here in Germany for example Lufthansa cancelled all flights to and from China.

The German Air Force brought back some Germans from Wuhan region and put them directly in quarantine for 14 days.

Hope they can control the virus soon.
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One hears a lot about countries bringing back their citizens and put them into quarantine but one rarely hears about whether the people foot the bill or government foot the bill..
 
Metamorphoser said:
Actually you see also concerns with global companies. A lot of them has travel restriction to China. Here in Germany for example Lufthansa cancelled all flights to and from China.

The German Air Force brought back some Germans from Wuhan region and put them directly in quarantine for 14 days.

Hope they can control the virus soon.
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US did the same with its embassy personnel they evacuated. They are in 14 day quarantine at Norton AFB in Southern California
 
britboyj said:
Can't wait for an equivalent response to the flu given how much more infectious and deadly it is than coronavirus. Or SARS.
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Where are you getting your information? At this point, it looks like 2019-nCoV has a much higher mortality rate and R0 than flu. They are very different threats.
 
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stylinexpat said:
One hears a lot about countries bringing back their citizens and put them into quarantine but one rarely hears about whether the people foot the bill or government foot the bill..
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When a country's citizens are in trouble, it is the country's duty to help them. And Germany, UK, France and so on are not third world countries, they can afford it. As a tax payer, I'm happy with that.
 
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I7guy said:
Since when is the government a profit center?
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Interesting to see which governments around foot the bill for this and which don't. It's more about seeing which governments are there for their people when their citizens abroad need them.


If I am not mistaken in China employees at Apple receive a monthly salary so the employees should still get paid.
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gnasher729 said:
When a country's citizens are in trouble, it is the country's duty to help them. And Germany, UK, France and so on are not third world countries, they can afford it. As a tax payer, I'm happy with that.
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That is what I was looking to hear :) 👍
 
DocMultimedia said:
Ugh. Media. Clickbait that has spread crazy fear. Yes, there are concerns whenever something new appears, but that is life/death. Does anyone here remember Legionnaires disease? Stuff happens. If you look at the data on this one people should stop going nuts. I have my PhD in Physics using radioactive beams for cancer treatment, so not a specialist on virus side of things...but I'm not worried. Just my opinion though.
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With a PhD in Physics you should know what a chain reaction is.

As long as any person who is infected infects more than one person on average, this will grow. If the countries where sick people arrive are careless, one sick person can cause infinite problems.
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justperry said:
Seems "normal", they didn't know yet what they had to deal with, a new virus.
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They knew exactly what they had to deal with. The virus causes the same lethal symptoms as pneumonia. You just try to keep the patient alive; if you keep them alive for long enough they are fine. If not, they are not.
 
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gnasher729 said:
They knew exactly what they had to deal with. The virus causes the same lethal symptoms as pneumonia. You just try to keep the patient alive; if you keep them alive for long enough they are fine. If not, they are not.
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I don't think they knew what was going on in the first week, that's what I wanted to point out, before they knew lots were infected or worse, died.
It takes time to see if this was/is a new strain.
 
I see many comparisons between this and the flu virus. The reason why we're talking about this virus vs the influenza, even though the 'simple' flu virus killed/kills MANY more than the corona is due to the newness of it.

True, the media does feed into this hysteria to increase viewership....same when a large storm comes and they incite panic sadly.

But, the deaths of the unknown of the corona virus is much more prevalent than the flu....hence the more widespread coverage and panic.
 
gnasher729 said:
When a country's citizens are in trouble, it is the country's duty to help them. And Germany, UK, France and so on are not third world countries, they can afford it. As a tax payer, I'm happy with that.
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That ignores the fact that many citizens are prepared and have non-taxpayer funded sources of help. In particular, when one travels on business, the company is responsible for health issues or accidents that occur. As a result, all of the companies I've ever worked for pay for travel insurance which specifically includes coverage for medical evacuations.

Why should the taxpayer be stuck with the bill when my company has already paid for it?

Why should the taxpayer reward people who weren't responsible enough to buy travel insurance?

Why should the taxpayer pay for issues that affect many people, but not for more serious ones that affect a few? For example, somebody gets a heart attack in rural China? The government is going to say "too bad", which is exactly what travel insurance is for.
 
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The retail store workers health isn’t as important as the Apple stores losing money if they closed, terrible.
 
Baymowe335 said:
More people died from the regular flu this week than have died from coronavirus all time. Way more. This is something to be mildly worried about due to some chance it spreads rapidly, but there are far worse realities.

The mortality of this virus is pretty low and only impacts those with weakened immune systems. This isn’t Ebola.
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According to more recent data the mortality is actually higher than the regular flu and more contagious. It's not ebola level deadliness and China has a much more mature healthcare system than most West African countries, but it's still a significantly worrying virus.
 
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szw-mapple fan said:
According to more recent data the mortality is actually higher than the regular flu and more contagious. It's not ebola level deadliness and China has a much more mature healthcare system than most West African countries, but it's still a significantly worrying virus.
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All true but there is also massively more travel between this region of China and the rest of the develop world than there is from West Africa.
 
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MRrainer said:
Though, we do not really "know" any real data about lethality etc because you cannot trust anything out of China.

We'd need more cases in the Western hemisphere.

You don't really need a high lethality to bring a Western-style society to a halt. Imagine a million or ten more people clogging up the US health-system.
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This statement has an overtone of "the West is better than the East" nonsense. Look at Australia and Thailand, both of which have made statements that they've made great progress on understanding Coronavirus. They are not in the West, technically.

There has been one fatality outside of China now, a Chinese man in the Philippines. So the severity of this virus has now broken free from China.

The sheer response to it is extremely worrying... flights being halted, businesses shutting down... this is not just "the flu"....
 
Baymowe335 said:
More people died from the regular flu this week than have died from coronavirus all time. Way more. This is something to be mildly worried about due to some chance it spreads rapidly, but there are far worse realities.

The mortality of this virus is pretty low and only impacts those with weakened immune systems. This isn’t Ebola.
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The big difference is that we have a vaccine available for the flu. There’s no such vaccine for the coronavirus yet
 
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This statement has an overtone of "the West is better than the East" nonsense.
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Where do you read that?

I only said you can't trust any data out of China because the numbers are (a) hard to collect at this point and (b) there is simply almost no way to verify them because China is a closed society and has been underreporting the numbers from the beginning - given what is at stake, I can actually see why they were doing that, but it was reprehensible to begin with and there's no sugar-coating that fact.
(Ignoring for a moment the persistent rumor that the virus "escaped" from a lab.)

Anecdotal evidence (Chinese wife of a co-worker here talking to doctor-friends via wechat) suggests that it is "much worse" than what is reported officially.

China, as a "non-democracy" is probably better equipped and organized to combat a pandemic than a more liberal society in the West because people aren't used to being curfew'ed to their appartments for an extended time-span. Nor are they prepared to do so.
 
Proji said:
The big difference is that we have a vaccine available for the flu. There’s no such vaccine for the coronavirus yet
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There is really no vaccine for the flu either. Flu shots only protect against a few of the many, many variants of the flu.
 
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