Thank you for just adding the image that Apple fans are mindless idiots and can not think for themselves....
Point out a flaw in something and you get called a troll, a MSfan boy.
Btw RIM has nothing to do with MS and does not run any MS product.
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Apple Closing Quickly on Research in Motion in Smart Phone Market Share
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Thank you for just adding the image that Apple fans are mindless idiots and can not think for themselves....
Point out a flaw in something and you get called a troll, a MSfan boy.
Btw RIM has nothing to do with MS and does not run any MS product.
Eh? What makes you think the business market for smartphones is smaller than the consumer market? Let alone "much much smaller" which is complete nonsense.
What does everyone think about Droid factoring into the situation?
I wouldn't be surprised if AAPL's growth in the smartphone market is slowed by this time next year. I think they will be growing but at a slightly lower rate. I think RIMM will decline ever so slightly, and the slack of both of these happening will have something to do with droid.
Interesting stuff no doubt. I'm considering going to droid myself, but I may wait to see what comes of the 4th generation iPhone and its exclusivity to ATT. The more I think about it, the more I think that the iPhone is a good deal in comparison to the capability/price of the competition. VZ has the network I want but none of the devices.... Droid MIGHT change all of that but I think that if I have to pay a dime more than I do for my iphone, that I won't be switching.
I think I read somewhere that something like 10% of fortune 500 companies have at least 5k iphones or something. Sorry thats such a bad piece of info given my inability to conjure it up with precision, but I don't really have any time to google it and check the actual numbers. The point is Apple will eventually be a real competitor in the business market, as they are becoming one already.
Simple logic.
The bussiness world includes only working people between the ages of 18-65 years of age.
This means they have to part of the workforce to be counted. On top of that only a finite number of them are ever going to be given companies phones.
Consumer market I will say anyone over the age of 13-death
Just used your brain for a second and think about it. When the Consumer market includes everyone living and the Bussiness work only includes people in the workforce and are given a cell phone. No matter how you cut it the Consumer market is much much larger than the bussiness market.
Before you try some counter like you posted please use your brain and see why one market is much larger than the other.
I have no intention to move to Verizon (or any network for a specific phone), but I like the idea of competitors in the marketplace. When one is too dominant, it grows stale because it pushes out the competition.
I think it's interesting and it's one of the reasons that I'd like to see how much of the missing 23% of the consumer market that Android has and what the growth rate's been like. Droid is a product strategy across a wide spectrum of handsets so it'll be fascinating as to what happens in 2010.
Neither will I - not because Apple will have done anything wrong (unless they release the same phone again) but because the market will be bigger in size.
i got some proof. go to your local college, notice that 1/3 of all those kids have iphones, i dont think 1/3 of them are using them for business reasons. (lol maybe selling drugs, but thats besides the point) Apple really IS turning more people onto the smartphones in a consumer market... Our time and technology is just getting to that point where the avg person can afford a smartphone, and smartphones are just gaining more popularity.
This is not to say that iphones arent great for business purposes; they are amazing for business. They are right up there with the blackberries.
I agree with that. The Smart phone market is more than likely getting close to be saturated like the cell service market has so no more new smart phone users to grab up. Only way to get more market share is take it from some one else.
Right now for example the carriers can only grow larger by taking people from the other carriers since almost everyone has a cellphone now days.
That chart shows almost ZERO direct impact from Apple on Palm. Their rate of decline is steady from before the iPhone launched to present. RIM is also pretty static, indicating that there's little impact there either. At any given point there is 25-35% of the market "missing" on that chart. Given the fact that most/all of those missing handsets are either WinMo or Symbian, it would appear that the iPhone is taking users from WinMo and/or Symbian more than anything.
To get back to your main point, the impact of Apple on Palm sales, the only affect appears to be indirect - people switching from Palm are doing it at the same rate, but rather than buying a WinMo phone they are getting an iPhone (as an example). Looking at the future purchasing plans, it looks like webOS (and likely the Pixi in particular) are going to give Palm a nice little bounce. If they release a "Pre2" next summer and get the Pixi onto Verizon and a US GSM carrier (TMobile preferably) they could do pretty well over the next - basically getting an 'iPhone-like' device into the hands of people who don't want to spend $100 per month on a cell plan.
That's the most important market for the next 2-4 years, imo. There are more "dumb phone" users to steal sales from than other smartphone makers customers to poach.
All Rodimus Prime can do when he hears positive Apple news is stick his fingers in his ears and scream about fanboys (failing to admit he's one himself, just one on the other side of the fence).
Methinks you're not familiar with Rodimus Prime's comment history.
Don't worry, when Apple surpasses RIM (which they will) he'll just gripe about iPhone users being mindless sheep.
LOL! Close to saturated??? You wish. The number of smart phone users is still tiny compared to the overall wireless market. There is a huge amount of growth ahead for smart phones. iPods used to be a niche product too, now everyone has them. The same thing will happen to smart phones.
Um, none of the numbers in the first graph end up adding to the same figure (not to mention they don't add up to 100% when the title is % of customers who own a RIM vs. Apple vs. Palm). I'd like to know where Android and Symbian fit into this too.
True but it's going to be price driven ad more likely to be a transition from dumbphones to the mid tier. Apple may enter that market, they may not.
This.
For example, RIM continues to grow at its usual rate, or better. They're not selling less.
But the overall market total is growing, and many people who would otherwise not have a smartphone, are getting iPhones. They're almost a group unto themselves.
It's like when the Internet was opened up to AOL folk. It didn't make the number of regular users any less, it's just that there was suddenly a big AOL percentage, as part of a new and larger overall total.
There are a few reasons why the iPhone might not be a good choice for large organizations who provide mobile data services to employees, such as email, calendaring, and intranet applications. These organizations typically standardize on a given type of device throughout the organization, manage all devices centrally, and enforce security policies. BB (and to a lesser extent, WM) devices are better with security and management and available on more carriers, whereas the iPhone is only available on one or zero carriers in many countries. The iPhone software is easier to use than BB or WM, but it is lacking in email and calendaring functionality. The iPhone will certainly get better in the future, but it is still behind.So, what you're saying is, you don't believe businesses are giving their employees the option of an issued iPhone?We won't go into how idiotic that is, but I can tell you it's untrue.
The situation is different in companies whose IT departments purchase and support mobile devices for the purpose of connecting them to the corporate network. For companies who provide mobile phone service primarily for employee voice communication or as a fringe benefit, the functionality of the phone doesn't matter so much.
I never liked Motorola phones, but I am really anxious about how the Droid will affect the charts posted here. And the 4th generation iPhone. The iPhone have the same fate of the Razr - everyone has them, then a few years later, no one.
I think Droid will have roughly the same impact as the Pre, possibly less because it's not the first phone running Android like Pre was the first WebOS phone.
IMO RIM's decline is very likely. They will continue to have a strong corporate presence because they have good security and IT departments are familiar with them, but ultimately, I have to believe they will lose their consumer marketshare because blackberries are just so blatantly inferior to other makers' offerings.
RIM's whole philosophy was corporate email, and they did that very well. But everything else is basically tacked on, and it feels that way. While RIM has tweaked at the edges, they put out fundamentally the same product they did 10 years ago and really haven't bothered to innovate in terms of capabilities, design, or OS in the face of rapidly increasing competition.
Call me crazy, but time will tell.
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I agree the iPhone is an awesome device. I enjoy it and find it very useful. However, AT&T's terrible coverage detracts all value of the device. For me, not being able to make or receive calls on ones cell phone eliminates any functionality that the iPhone offers. Last night, I canceled my contract. I will return to Verizon and purchase a Blackberry.
I agree the iPhone is an awesome device. I enjoy it and find it very useful. However, AT&T's terrible coverage detracts all value of the device. For me, not being able to make or receive calls on ones cell phone eliminates any functionality that the iPhone offers. Last night, I canceled my contract. I will return to Verizon and purchase a Blackberry.
I think them only being on Sprint is their biggest problem! They need multiple carriers here and internationally STAT!
GO APPLE!
Facts:
-iPhone is being deployed in over 50% of the fortune 100.
-Small businesses are the backbone of America and the iPhone has made huge inroads in small businesses. I can't even count how many people I personally know that use iPhones for their small business.
-Over 350 higher education institutions have approved iPhones for faculty, staff, and students. Many are implementing curriculum through the iPhone and even issue them to students.
-iPhone just won J.D. Power and Associates award for highest satisfaction in business smart phones.
-iPhone has killed BlackBerry and all other phones in various satisfaction surveys, including business use.
The truth is RIM is desperate to get into the consumer market and has been trying with the Pearl and now Storm and Storm 2, but is failing badly!
Either way you look at it, saying iPhone isn't coming into the corporate world strong is nothing short of delusional!
The question is not "if" the iPhone will overtake RIM, but "when."
The iPhone is already penetrating the enterprise, never mind rolling up the consumer market. RIM offers an email/texting machine, the iPhone offers 100x more + Apple's interface. Looks like a no-brainer, really.
The iPhone is already penetrating the enterprise, never mind rolling up the consumer market. RIM offers an email/texting machine, the iPhone offers 100x more + Apple's interface. Looks like a no-brainer, really.
If by "failing" you mean "producing devices that are markedly inferior to other smartphones for consumer use," then I agree with you. However, that's just an opinion.
The fact is, RIM is selling more smartphones than ever before (even if they're losing market share - because the market is growing) and more of their sales are to consumers (both as a % of their own total sales and in absolute numbers) than ever before.
Facts:
-iPhone is being deployed in over 50% of the fortune 100.
-Small businesses are the backbone of America and the iPhone has made huge inroads in small businesses. I can't even count how many people I personally know that use iPhones for their small business.
-Over 350 higher education institutions have approved iPhones for faculty, staff, and students. Many are implementing curriculum through the iPhone and even issue them to students.
-iPhone just won J.D. Power and Associates award for highest satisfaction in business smart phones.
-iPhone has killed BlackBerry and all other phones in various satisfaction surveys, including business use.
The truth is RIM is desperate to get into the consumer market and has been trying with the Pearl and now Storm and Storm 2, but is failing badly!
Either way you look at it, saying iPhone isn't coming into the corporate world strong is nothing short of delusional!
Agree the iPhone has been accepted by many businesses. As an IT director I can tell you it is a dream to set up and manage. The biggest flaw-- AT&T's lousy coverage. The poor coverage will limit how effective it is in the business world.