Apple Closing Quickly on Research in Motion in Smart Phone Market Share

[MacFly123]

Yes. Your failure to understand the difference between 'deploy' and 'choose as the preferred communications platform'. Piloting means testing it for suitability to access a corporate network. It'll then go on the approved vendors list which is still light years away from becoming the platform of choice.

Don't believe everything you read especially if Apple Insider is your source.

I sited Apple Insider just for convenience. You can easily go to Apple's press releases or listen to the actual conference call if you like.

Do you have any proof of actual iPhone adoption in the corporate environment? Last I heard it was in testing but no announcement of the widespread adoption you claim here.

Do you have any proof that BB is failing in the consumer market? All i saw was your opinion.

I do think Apple is making inroads with the academic sector. But I cant state it is fact as confidently as you assert.

This was my impression as well. While they don't score as well on consumer feedback surveys, they are still moving boatloads.

Agreed. I have travelled to numerous Fortune 100 client offices and I do not see this rapid expansion discussed here. I think MacFly is gravely mistaken. I can, however, see their adoption in smaller businesses where activesync may be easier to adopt than BES. But even at my smaller organization, we support iPhone but our company will only buy BB.

Im in NYC and i see the same anecdotal evidence here in finance, pharmaceutical, retail and insurance clients I interact with.

How does "Over 50 percent of the Fortune 100 are deploying a pilot program of the iPhone." = iphone is being deployed to half of the Fortune 100? I dont think you made the proper extrapolation from that statistic.

Exactly. He made quite the leap based on that tidbit of information.

I think the iphone is a capable device and I enjoyed mine when it wasn't behaving or showed comparatively poor reception. That said, I think both RIM and Apple are doing extremely well at their target markets. The graph, if the results are indeed indicative of a larger market trend, are very positive for apple.

I never said to what extent it has penetrated or is being deployed. However, what I said remains true. Those are the numbers that are available. Point is Apple is making big progress in the enterprise and business. I guarantee you Apple will continue to dominate the consumer market while also chipping away at RIM's audience in business! BB OS is crap and outdated. They can't continue to compete with Apple unless they do some major work on the software front!

 

[LagunaSol]

The iPhone have the same fate of the Razr - everyone has them, then a few years later, no one.

Totally. Just like the iPod. Oh, wait...

Going by the opinions of a number of MacRumors members that would mean Steve Jobs is a MSfanboi.

No, to make Jobs a MSfanboi of the MacRumors order you'd have to throw in a little bit more: "Blind Apple fanboys...blah blah...overpriced shiny crap...blah blah...I could build my own phone for half the price...blah...Windows viruses are a myth...blah blah...stupid sheep...blah."

 

[BongoBanger]

Totally. Just like the iPod. Oh, wait...

The iPhone isn't the same as the iPod for a number of reason that should be immediately obvious.

 

[DMann]

The iPhone isn't the same as the iPod for a number of reason that should be immediately obvious.

Yet, the analogies to "just like the Sony Walk-Man" kept on rollin' in...

 

[Goona]

What does everyone think about Droid factoring into the situation?


I wouldn't be surprised if AAPL's growth in the smartphone market is slowed by this time next year. I think they will be growing but at a slightly lower rate. I think RIMM will decline ever so slightly, and the slack of both of these happening will have something to do with droid.

Interesting stuff no doubt. I'm considering going to droid myself, but I may wait to see what comes of the 4th generation iPhone and its exclusivity to ATT. The more I think about it, the more I think that the iPhone is a good deal in comparison to the capability/price of the competition. VZ has the network I want but none of the devices.... Droid MIGHT change all of that but I think that if I have to pay a dime more than I do for my iphone, that I won't be switching.


I think I read somewhere that something like 10% of fortune 500 companies have at least 5k iphones or something. Sorry thats such a bad piece of info given my inability to conjure it up with precision, but I don't really have any time to google it and check the actual numbers. The point is Apple will eventually be a real competitor in the business market, as they are becoming one already.

Droid will do as much damage as the Palm Pre, HTC Hero, Blackberry Storm, the G1, Samsung Instinct, LG Voyageur etc did..

 

[Goona]

If you believe the chart, then RIM's performance is remarkable, because they've kept the same marketshare percentage even as the number of smartphone users has skyrocketed with the influx of iPhones.

In other words, RIM had to sell a lot of phones to pretty much keep up their percentage of the total.

So, while Apple came in late and thus must have an upward line, RIM's numerical sales have increased correspondingly.

Three Blackberry models are consistently in the top five selling USA smartphones, with the Curve usually at number one, and iPhone at number two. Even the Storm is usually in the top seven, and that's the old model.

Predictions however, are that RIM's share will continue to slowly drop, Apple's to slowly rise, while Android eclipses both by 2012. We'll see.

No the iphone is usually at number one with the curve at 2. The curve took top spot once.

 

[Goona]

Yes. Your failure to understand the difference between 'deploy' and 'choose as the preferred communications platform'. Piloting means testing it for suitability to access a corporate network. It'll then go on the approved vendors list which is still light years away from becoming the platform of choice.

Don't believe everything you read especially if Apple Insider is your source.

They got direct quotes from Apple, so if they are lying, then Apple is lying!

 

[Goona]

Very true.

Anything apple related from an Apple Fansite should never be used a proof. A non fanboy site is strongly recommended.
As for anything coming out of Apple mouth related to it. Well you sure as hell better not trust it. Apple has been caught multiple times in the past be far less than truth.

Yes well we should believe a nobody on the internet over a government regulated company like Apple!

 

[kdarling]

Droid will do as much damage as the Palm Pre, HTC Hero, Blackberry Storm, the G1, Samsung Instinct, LG Voyageur etc did..

Each one of those used up around a million potential customers within a very short time span.

It adds up.

Like the old Chinese "Death by a Thousand Cuts".

 

[Goona]

Each one of those used up around a million potential customers within a very short time span.

It adds up.

Like the old Chinese "Death by a Thousand Cuts".

Yet Apple sales and market share actually increased after they all came out, not decreased. I don't see any damage any of them did. Most of them have now faded into oblivion.

 

[DMann]

Yet Apple sales and market share actually increased after they all came out, not decreased. I don't see any damage any of them did. Most of them have now faded into oblivion.

The introduction of the Pre actually seems to have accelerated iPhone sales - there have been droves of returns, and subsequent upgrades to the iPhone.

Competition is good.

 

[OllyW]

Yet Apple sales and market share actually increased after they all came out, not decreased. I don't see any damage any of them did. Most of them have now faded into oblivion.

You've got to remember the overall size of the market is still growing. Even if your market share is more or less static like RIM, you are still selling more phones.

 

[LagunaSol]

The introduction of the Pre actually seems to have accelerated iPhone sales - there have been droves of returns, and subsequent upgrades to the iPhone.

Competition is good.

Anyone who helps push Microsoft into complete irrelevance in the mobile space is a friend of mine, be it Palm, Google (Android), RIM or Apple.

Or, of course, a concerted combination of players.

Like the old Chinese "Death by a Thousand Cuts".

You're referring more to Windows Mobile, of course.

 

[kdarling]

Yet Apple sales and market share actually increased after they all came out, not decreased. I don't see any damage any of them did. Most of them have now faded into oblivion.

Didn't say their sales decreased. But the amount of increase was decreased because of those other devices.

Apple's sales could've been even larger if millions of contracted users hadn't been siphoned off to competing phones.

It's just like when we hear, "Apple doesn't need to sell on Verizon, look how many millions they sell just on ATT". Obviously they would sell even more, if they were in more markets. It's the same reason why Apple sells their phone in more and more countries.

 

[DMann]

Anyone who helps push Microsoft into complete irrelevance in the mobile space is a friend of mine, be it Palm, Google (Android), RIM or Apple.

Or, of course, a concerted combination of players.



You're referring more to Windows Mobile, of course.

This be the outcome!

Apple, or Google, or RIM, or Palm......... blip

 

[LagunaSol]

This be the outcome!

Apple, or Google, or RIM, or Palm......... blip

Any way you slice it, Windows Mobile is in for a world of hurt. In the "hodgepodge hardware" category, Android is going to reign supreme. In the integrated hardware/software model, RIM and Apple will continue to duke it out, and I expect Apple to end up on top. Palm is in trouble and will continue to be. Windows Mobile, I think, is doomed to the dustpan. With no lock-in power to the Windows OS or Office, what will MS have to offer the hardware makers? Not much, not when Android is free.

The mobile space will be interesting indeed. You hear the arguments that Apple is doomed just like they were in the PC space with their integrated software/hardware model, but this is a whole different ball game. No one can just cobble together a cheap mobile device using off-the-shelf motherboards and hard drives. No manufacturer has a price advantage over Apple this time around, just like in the MP3 player space. Apple can make an iPhone just as cheaply as HTC or Motorola can make an Android device, or as cheaply as anyone can make a WinMo device. Cheaper actually, because they already own the OS. And Apple has iTunes to profit from. HTC/Motorola/etc. can only profit from the hardware itself. And will people even want an ad-driven phone, which Android must eventually become? Time will tell.

And you can bet MS will resort to a Zune phone (i.e. their own hardware and software) as WinMo as a hardware-agnostic OS falls off the chart entirely. It's all but guaranteed. It will be PlaysForSure all over again. Watch and see.

 

[DMann]

Any way you slice it, Windows Mobile is in for a world of hurt. In the "hodgepodge hardware" category, Android is going to reign supreme. In the integrated hardware/software model, RIM and Apple will continue to duke it out, and I expect Apple to end up on top. Palm is in trouble and will continue to be. Windows Mobile, I think, is doomed to the dustpan. With no lock-in power to the Windows OS or Office, what will MS have to offer the hardware makers? Not much, not when Android is free.

The mobile space will be interesting indeed. You hear the arguments that Apple is doomed just like they were in the PC space with their integrated software/hardware model, but this is a whole different ball game. No one can just cobble together a cheap mobile device using off-the-shelf motherboards and hard drives. No manufacturer has a price advantage over Apple this time around, just like in the MP3 player space. Apple can make an iPhone just as cheaply as HTC or Motorola can make an Android device, or as cheaply as anyone can make a WinMo device. Cheaper actually, because they already own the OS. And Apple has iTunes to profit from. HTC/Motorola/etc. can only profit from the hardware itself. And will people even want an ad-driven phone, which Android must eventually become? Time will tell.

And you can bet MS will resort to a Zune phone (i.e. their own hardware and software) as WinMo as a hardware-agnostic OS falls off the chart entirely. It's all but guaranteed. It will be PlaysForSure all over again. Watch and see.

You are quite right - without vendor lock-in, MS would have had no claim to fame in the '90s to begin with. They have fallen far off the table with WinMo, and have been

all but displaced by RIM, and the ensuing Droid - we may even be hearing of another chair throwing incident in the near future. A Zune phone is imminent, (for MS, circa 2016)

who's killer feature will be an app which converts Microsoft Points back to any currency of your choice. Golden!

 

[Unprocessed1]

I think it was well known for a while that RIM was going to start losing their market share. To say the Blackberry OS is severely outdated is an understatement. It's stale and boring.

 

[LagunaSol]

all but displaced by RIM, and the ensuing Droid - we may even be hearing of another chair throwing incident in the near future. A Zune phone is imminent, (for MS, circa 2016)

who's killer feature will be an app which converts Microsoft Points back to any currency of your choice. Golden!

I suppose Microsoft can resort to their current strategy: pay people to like them. Like Bing (cashback), Xbox (heavy hardware subsidy and eternal warranty), Zune (funding phony fan sites), Windows Parties (torture your friends and family for a free copy of Windows - we'll even provide the napkins!) and Laptop Hunters (good old-fashioned handfuls of cash in the parking lot and the chance to be on TV). Hey, maybe they'll pay mobile makers to use WinMo instead of that free Google stuff.

"Psst, HTC. How about putting WinMo 7 on your next device? Price? Hmm, how does $50 a unit sound? No, as in we'll pay you $50 a unit. Yes, we thought you might like that." *sinister cackle*

Embrace (hardware makers with cash money), Extend (WinMo beyond its current status as a complete has-been), Extinguish (Google's Android).

Gizmodo also hears the death knell for WinMo (and Palm) too:

http://gizmodo.com/5392799/how-google-and-apple-will-kill-palm-dead

 

[DMann]

I suppose Microsoft can resort to their current strategy: pay people to like them. Like Bing (cashback), Xbox (heavy hardware subsidy and eternal warranty), Zune (funding phony fan sites), Windows Parties (torture your friends and family for a free copy of Windows - we'll even provide the napkins!) and Laptop Hunters (good old-fashioned handfuls of cash in the parking lot and the chance to be on TV). Hey, maybe they'll pay mobile makers to use WinMo instead of that free Google stuff.

Like Bing (cashback) - please, PLEASE, don't use Google!!!

Xbox (unprecedented hardware subsidy and eternal warranty) - We'll pay for your faulty unit, you fund shipping, handling and manage eternal frustration.

Zune (funding phony fan sites) - sooooooooo squirting-ly pathetic.

Windows Parties (torture your friends and family for a free copy of Windows - we'll even provide the napkins!)

Laptop Hunters (good old-fashioned handfuls of cash in the parking lot and the chance to be on TV)

"I'm a PC whore, and I'm worth it!"

 

[DMann]

"Psst, HTC. How about putting WinMo 7 on your next device? Price? Hmm, how does $50 a unit sound? No, as in we'll pay you $50 a unit. Yes, we thought you might like that." *sinister cackle*

Embrace (hardware makers with cash money), Extend (WinMo beyond its current status as a complete has-been), Extinguish (Google's Android).

Gizmodo also hears the death knell for WinMo (and Palm) too:

http://gizmodo.com/5392799/how-google-and-apple-will-kill-palm-dead

That's strange, I heard Ballmer mention that WinMo was running on over 200,000,000 phones.

He's quite confident that this number is on the upswing, as it can limp along on a number of configs.

He's got quite a lot of checks to sign, if he actually believes this fantasy, especially with DROID on the horizon.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

That's strange, I heard Ballmer mention that WinMo was running on over 200,000,000 phones.

He's quite confident that this number is on the upswing, as it can limp along on a number of configs.

He's got quite a lot of checks to sign, if he actually believes this fantasy, especially with DROID on the horizon.

Chances are it is on the upswing and could easily be correct. But you missed a huge little fact. The size of the smart phone market is growing at a very rapid pace.

Just Windo Mobile just is not selling enough phones to even keep up with the size of the growth of the market.


As for Palm Pre being a fail. It has been doing really done pretty well conidering it is on a very limited network. Remeber Sprint is a hell of a lot smaller than AT&T and Verizon. Plus Pre only was selling in the US.

 

[DMann]

Chances are it is on the upswing and could easily be correct. But you missed a huge little fact. The size of the smart phone market is growing at a very rapid pace.

Quite true.

Just Windo Mobile just is not selling enough phones to even keep up with the size of the growth of the market.

This would be Ballmer Speak in its purest form - time will tell, and so far, the 'telling' is not favorable for WinMo.

We'll see how many more 'partners' opt to join his parade.

As for Palm Pre being a fail. It has been doing really done pretty well conidering it is on a very limited network. Remeber Sprint is a hell of a lot smaller than AT&T and Verizon. Plus Pre only was selling in the US.

Not nearly as well as Palm had anticipated. With DROID on the horizon, we shall see.

 

[LagunaSol]

"I'm a PC whore, and I'm worth it!"

I think a line from the "I'm A Mac" ads is an equally good caption for your photo: "When you're ready to compromise, you call me..." (waves pile of cash)

Chances are it is on the upswing and could easily be correct.

If your wishes were fishes...

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Not nearly as well as Palm had anticipated. With DROID on the horizon, we shall see.

True but my understanding Palm was hoping for something like the iPhone success and lefts face it they lack the Apple name and they were on Sprint. Now I think Sprint is a great cell phone company but it still a very limited network so those 2 factors alone are going to reduce sells greatly.

I am wondering how the Pre will do now that it is starting to go World wide and how it will do once it hits Verizon.

I expect Android to take off soon.

For RIM I really wanting to know how things are going to now that OS 5.0 is starting to offically roll out.