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Apple has competitors in the iphone and ipod fields?

They probably lead in user satisfaction rates b/c they're the only ones that make iphones and ipods....

Maybe.

Duh... of course they're the only one that makes iPods and iPhones.... ANY company is the only one that makes his own product!!! Sony makes Walkmans, Sony makes Vaios... BUT of course all of them belong to a certain market, and the iPod belongs into the mp3 players market, a very, very wide market, with tons of models, and among all them the iPods are at the top of the people's choice.

And with the iPhone, no, it's not alone, it's into the market of the expensive cell phones, and into the touchscreen range, now there are several models, but like the iPod, on his market, the iPone is the one people like.

And now, the iPod touch and the iPhone are even entering another market, and they're strong there: the portable game consoles.
 
Duh... of course they're the only one that makes iPods and iPhones.... ANY company is the only one that makes his own product!!! Sony makes Walkmans, Sony makes Vaios... BUT of course all of them belong to a certain market, and the iPod belongs into the mp3 players market, a very, very wide market, with tons of models, and among all them the iPods are at the top of the people's choice.

And with the iPhone, no, it's not alone, it's into the market of the expensive cell phones, and into the touchscreen range, now there are several models, but like the iPod, on his market, the iPone is the one people like.

And now, the iPod touch and the iPhone are even entering another market, and they're strong there: the portable game consoles.

Boy you sure made me look dumb. :rolleyes:
 
Oh so now it's because of Vista, funny thing is Apple was leading these surveys before Vista was launched. So now it's from not building a unified solution to Vista, right.

Obviously you can't read and retain the author's comments. This is my last reply to you on this thread/topic.

Go back and read my comments regarding this survey. Notice how I nicely quote stuff and also make clear points with examples. The article (not me) made the SUGGESTION that the POSSIBLE reason for such a large gap in THIS YEAR'S SURVEY might be VISTA. And when did I (or anyone) state that Apple was not leading previous surveys? I have no idea. I'm just talking about this year's survey which is what someone posted on this thread.

Don't shoot the messenger.
 
I think the ads are alright, target the average market well, anyway anything is better than the jerry seinfield ads...
 
Obviously you can't read and retain the author's comments. This is my last reply to you on this thread/topic.

Go back and read my comments regarding this survey. Notice how I nicely quote stuff and also make clear points with examples. The article (not me) made the SUGGESTION that the POSSIBLE reason for such a large gap in THIS YEAR'S SURVEY might be VISTA. And when did I (or anyone) state that Apple was not leading previous surveys? I have no idea. I'm just talking about this year's survey which is what someone posted on this thread.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Keep the excuses coming.
 
Keep the excuses coming.

Wow...I don't want to get in the middle of this, but he's right...you're not reading what he's writing properly.

He isn't the one that's making possible "excuses" for the gap. The author of that article is the one that is saying Vista may be a possible reason for the gap.

Keywords: may be, possible.

Unless ericinboston is the one that wrote that article, I don't see why you're taking all your aggression out on him.
 
Wow...I don't want to get in the middle of this, but he's right...you're not reading what he's writing properly.

He isn't the one that's making possible "excuses" for the gap. The author of that article is the one that is saying Vista may be a possible reason for the gap.

Keywords: may be, possible.

Unless ericinboston is the one that wrote that article, I don't see why you're taking all your aggression out on him.

Aggression, damn some of you take the internet too seriously. :rolleyes:
 
Agreed...however, I would have expected MUCH HIGHER ratings from Apple since they own the hardware, OS, and very likely the apps people are calling in for help.

80% is pretty sad (in my opinion) for a company who makes the whole darn thing...and for a company who claims "it just works"...well, it doesn't work (obviously) and if 20% of your upset customers still give you a bad grade on the tech support call, that's even more an embarrassment.

Although I feel all computer companies pretty much stink at Tech Support, the PC vendors of the world rarely get good ratings because each vendor (Dell, HP, whoever) may only "support" certain items. Of course you can pay for additional "coverage" like Microsoft Office tech support through Dell. But overall nobody is going to spend a lot of time trying to help you. Great example: My dad called Comcast the other night because his MS Outlook was failing to send a message. Comcast immediately told him to call Microsoft. I'm surprised Comcast didn't tell him to call Dell.

It's usually just a finger pointing game. I'm a techie and I hate calling any tech support because I am keenly aware of their inabilities.

Anyway, the Support business is a tough business to make friends and get good marks...people are calling in mad (do you ever call Tech Support happy?) and there's a 30% chance (or higher) that at the end of the call the end user is unhappy about what the fix was (deleting something, losing data, reinstalling, long hold times, long time to fix, dropped call, uninstalling/disabling something else to fix the initial problem, bring the computer in, send out a tech rep to replace a part, etc). So when they get that wonderful "would you like to participate in a survey?" from Biff the Sr. Tech Lead (who likely can't deduce why his Christmas tree lights aren't on), the end user is foaming at the mouth ready to give a nasty review.

-Eric

Where in the article does it state that it is based soley on tech support calls? Oh wait, it doesn't. Also, the survey was done online by an independent party, not at the end of tech support calls. Did you even bother to read the article? Nice spin though. :rolleyes: You could make Jack the Ripper seem like a good guy.
 
Where in the article does it state that it is based soley on tech support calls? Oh wait, it doesn't. Also, the survey was done online by an independent party, not at the end of tech support calls. Did you even bother to read the article? Nice spin though. :rolleyes:

And....where did I state that the Survery was not-independent...and that it was phone support only? I never stated that. Yes, if I go back and re-read my comments I guess you could interpret it that way...but I still think my post was clear about when I referenced the article and when I did not...and when I did not reference the article I was giving you my personal insight/comments into the broad topic of Tech Support/Customer Satisfaction.

People are reading way too deep into some of this stuff.

Can we at least all agree that the Technical Support/Customer Satisfaction ratings are low in the computer industry as a whole? Can we also agree that discussing such an in-depth topic on a electronic forum is very hard and also very tedious? Can we also agree that this topic is involves lots of data, charts, graphs, etc?...and that without (for example) a 30page PDF backing up all the findings and clearly defining the scope(s) that right (and wrong) assumptions can/will be made by all?

This is why I suggested (partly in jest) to invite me to the next in-person 9-hour seminar on this topic...so I can contribute as well as learn. There's nothing better than a true, in-person debate/conversation.
 
This report couldn't have come at a better time, seems we shouldn't be basing everything we buy just on price like some companies want us to do.
 
Do you have the really cool optional "A Frame Protection Bar", " Front Wraparound Protection Bar", or "Rear Lamp Protection Guards"?

Yup. So when I ram tools that think they're funny I don't scratch my paint job. :D
 
Some of the actual numbers have come out in the latest Forrester report that Goona linked to before. From the New York Time's article here, the customer satisfaction percentages are:

GOOD
Apple 80%

POOR
Gateway 66%
HP 64%
Compaq 63%

VERY POOR
Dell 58%
 
Some of the actual numbers have come out in the latest Forrester report that Goona linked to before. From the New York Time's article here, the customer satisfaction percentages are:

GOOD
Apple 80%

POOR
Gateway 66%
HP 64%
Compaq 63%

VERY POOR
Dell 58%

amazing dell got higher than a 50%:eek:
 
amazing dell got higher than a 50%:eek:

I agree...I have been buying Dells for over a decade now. My beef is that when something does go wrong (typically a bad hard drive) Dell is horrific on every single account...hold times, idiots that accidentally hang up, people who can barely pronounce English let alone speak in complete English sentences (I'm not joking), 0 accountability, and the fact that it's easier to understant String Theory than to understand the Dell Support phone tree. There is so much more that I don't even want to get into it because my blood boils.

I deal with their pitiful support because I am a hardcore techie and frankly, I never call unless it's a physical defect. The Dell machines, from a hardware perspective, are the same guts as you will find in every other pc out there...and 90% of the time I never have a hardware issue. My personal belief is that a lot of people that call Dell (and other hardware manufacturers) for support are people who somehow altered something on the computer such as the Display settings or mucked around with their wireless network security codes or someone installed (for example) iTunes and now all their MP3s open up in iTunes instead of Winamp or Media Player...and are absolutely clueless on how to set it back...people that just don't understand that any computer (Mac or PC or Linux) will allow you to make all sorts of changes big and small...and you can't just call Tech Support and complain that something you did now results in X...or that your 15 year old son surfed to a porn site and infected the machine with spyware. Overall, there is just so much to support (software, OS, hardware, networking) that it is a very hard industry to excel in let alone feel appreciated.

I like buying Dells because for the money, they're tough to beat...and it's impossible for me to home-build a similar system for less money. But when you do have to call into Dell Tech Support, it'll give you an annuerism.

-Eric
 
We humans simply have to fight or argue over something or anything. Race, color, religion computer brand. When I was into PCs it was IBM vs Compaq and on and on ad nauseam ... we fight over anything at all.

That is spot on...unfortunately. :(
 
jippieh. now we´ve moved from car analogies to ships ? on a sidenote i think that a thing like that might be nice from the engineering standpoint it still is pure horror on open seas. but who needs a world when we can have computers

i referenced that because hyundai MUST have a high level of quality in order to build something that massive and that complex with so many subsystems.

most people think hyundai is cheap garbage and will break down. maybe like 30 years ago or something but now, its a totally diffrent game with them,

same with bose, bose used to be good back in the 70s/80s but their new stuff is the worst crap i have ever heard. their freaking bass module is crossed over at 280hz, WhoTF has their sub set at 280hz?

my main point is THINGS CHANGES, and you have to change with it, thinking that 1 brand is going to be good forever and is the best at everything is dumb
 
Apple is not interested in making a 1.5", dual gpu 9 pound cinder block. While gamers find that type of system appealing, that's the opposite of what I want. If all Apple made were behemoth laptops with gamer cards and CPU's requiring both extra cooling and extra weight, I wouldn't be buying them. That's why choice is great. I can just as easily get my job done in Linux or Windows (XP or 7). Sure, I enjoy the workflow of OS X, but if the laptop wasn't a good balance of weight, size, and power, it wouldn't be useful to me.

Apple doesn't do gaming well. Obviously, I knew that before I bought it. Macs don't play Blu Ray disks. Obviously. Knew that before I bought it, could have gotten a $2000 Thinkpad with one.....still don't care. I've got a 50" plasma at home; what the hell do I need it on a laptop for?

I travel across the country for work, sometimes the world. I need a laptop that does MS Office, virtualization, SSH, RDP, remote support apps, and other misc stuff. Personally I need it to do 24-bit audio multitracking with a lot of virtual instruments, along with video editing and photo stuff. The Mac does all of this very well.

Could I do all of it in Windows 7? Absolutely. Could I do everything in Linux? Audio recording would be a little tougher, but still very doable. But I prefer the Mac.

That's what is great about choice; you're not obligated to buy a Mac if you don't think it's a good value. But also means you don't have the right to continually tell people the choice they made was bad either.

In short, saying a Mac can't do real work is moronic and extraordinarily ignorant, just like saying Windows BSODs every 5 minutes and Linux is too hard to use.

"real work" isn't just using your laptop as a glorified Playstation 3 to play games and watch movies. It's doing the work for your job or your personal life as easily and painlessly as possible.
 
You won't get taken seriously if you mention "laptop gaming" in general.

This is coming from someone that does enjoy a large display, high settings, and AA/AF though. Take it as a grain of salt.
 
Excuse me, but every time people claim that Macs are expensive (or higher-end goods, which sounds a lot more positive), I think to myself: Has the USA turned into a third world country? Do you people realize that the original Macintosh cost $2499? In 1984 dollars? And now people argue how nobody can afford a MacBook?

alot of people arent being cheap either, if someone pays $1500 for a computer, they expect $1500 worth of PERFORMANCe, this would equal a Core i7, 12GB of tripple ch ram, 3 raptors in R5, and a bluray burner, possibly a GTX285 as well. not some POS core2duo like the imac.

Macs = OVERPRICED for the performance you get.
 
You won't get taken seriously if you mention "laptop gaming" in general.

This is coming from someone that does enjoy a large display, high settings, and AA/AF though. Take it as a grain of salt.

so if a person buys this Sager laptop,

http://www.pctorque.com/sager-9262-gaming-computers.php

people are going to laugh at him because what? his computer is too slow for gaming? his resolution is too low? his video cards sux? are you going to say he has crappy battery life for gaming?

what? seriously.... explain


this thing has a Quad core CPU, 4GB of ram, dual 9800GTX's in SLI, tripple HDD's in raid 5 and is a LOT EASIER to carry around than a freaking desktop + LCd + keyboard + mouse + whatever the hell else like cables or a usb light or something.
 
You won't get taken seriously if you mention "laptop gaming" in general.

This is coming from someone that does enjoy a large display, high settings, and AA/AF though. Take it as a grain of salt.

I've always thought gaming "laptops" were funny anyway, even before I got more into Macs. A 9 pound 2" plastic brick is more a folding desktop than a laptop. If I'm going to game I'll either do it on a console or build a cheap tower. I'm not going to try to use a laptop for it.

But to each their own, I guess.
 
so if a person buys this Sager laptop,

http://www.pctorque.com/sager-9262-gaming-computers.php

people are going to laugh at him because what? his computer is too slow for gaming? his resolution is too low? his video cards sux? are you going to say he has crappy battery life for gaming?

what? seriously.... explain


this thing has a Quad core CPU, 4GB of ram, dual 9800GTX's in SLI, tripple HDD's in raid 5 and is a LOT EASIER to carry around than a freaking desktop + LCd + keyboard + mouse + whatever the hell else like cables or a usb light or something.
The expense given the mobile hardware for just gaming. You rarely have to move your computer to play with peers.

Your link is also to an older model with 65nm desktop processors as well.
 
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