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I am so tired of the gaming and car analogy comments.

Sure Honda builds ok cars, but I'd still rather have a BMW 750 or a Range Rover (yeah yeah say what you will). I love my Rover.
 
Isn't that a bit of a childish remark? No wonder PC users see us as snobbish. :eek:
No, I see it to be as being pretty accurate. Most of the ignorant/childish comments that I've seen on the net seem to come from supposed regular users to tech journalists who are windows users and have never even used a mac for an extended period of time.

I was a PC user exclusively for a number of years until 2002 when I bought my first eMac and I've never looked back. I eventually got rid of my PC and bought a 12" powerbook, then a 15" MBP (first gen) and a few months ago I bought a 24" iMac.

I feel perfectly qualified to critique windows because during all this time, I've still been a windows software developer at work so I understand how windows works (or doesn't work) in comparison to OS X.
 
you know ubuntu slaughters OSX for visual aesthetics.
erm no offense mate but aesthetics like many other things are subjective. only because you deem it visually superior doesn´t change the world for us. but we´re all free :) choose what you like. and you´ve made clear what you like and don´t like pretty often so far. still it doesn´t have to make sense to me
 
Earlier in the thread some were discussing EFI-X. I have a friend who owns a single core PowerMac G5 and he can't afford a Mac Pro. He does a lot of Final Cut work and needs a speed boost. I told him an iMac would be faster than what he currently has but a Mac Pro would probably be better for his needs. He simply can not afford $2500+. I mentioned an alternative, installing OS X on a Windows based system using x86/EFI-X. I also mentioned Pystar, which as I no longer live in NYC I can not be there to do the work for him.

My question is, if he were to consider a Pystar system (which I realize is a gamble as they are currently in court), do they allow software updates from Apple? I realize OS X Leopard comes preinstalled but my concern is if he were to update the system will it break the EFI-X? I checked Pystar's site and couldn't find anything. Thanks!

Psystar is nothing but a regular PC with the "Hackintosh"'d version of OS X on it. To my knowledge you cannot run updates from Apple (I could be wrong though).

The EFI-X unit emulates what the retail disk of OS X is looking for, and as far as software updates works just as a real Mac would.
 
Its all about Geeks Vs Cool People

Let me give you examples:

GAMES:
Console : Put Disc in and Play
PC: Where is the driver, oh **** it won't play cos it does not meet sys spec, take it back to store and argue the toss to get refund.
Mac: Mac owner are rich enough to buy a console ;-)

Mobile Phones
RIM: How do i set up email, oh i have to pay RIM, oh no never envisaged that. What I need an enterprise? - quick call Spock! Need to get a geek to set up email ouch.
iPhone: Easy set-up even my granny can do it. Cool People.

Computer:
PC: Buy spend hours configuring it, tweak it every day, download latest virus updates before you even start. Oh **** forgot to by Office grrrr. Geek
Mac: Buy, start and use. Cool People - that get things done.
 
"its still a hyundai" >> this says you cant see past a brand name

You're right. I can't get past the brand name, at least for now. It's like the story of the boy who cried wolf. After he cried wolf for so long nobody believed him when he actually spotted a real wolf. In the same vein, Hyundai started out by making cheap cars. They've made cheap cars for so long that pretty much nobody associates them with quality these days. That particular model might be awesome. It might have great features and stats. But Hyundai could scream wolf at the top of their lungs right now and nobody would believe them. If they want to change their company image it'll take quite a bit more effort and time.
 
Earlier in the thread some were discussing EFI-X. I have a friend who owns a single core PowerMac G5 and he can't afford a Mac Pro. He does a lot of Final Cut work and needs a speed boost. I told him an iMac would be faster than what he currently has but a Mac Pro would probably be better for his needs. He simply can not afford $2500+. I mentioned an alternative, installing OS X on a Windows based system using x86/EFI-X. I also mentioned Pystar, which as I no longer live in NYC I can not be there to do the work for him.

My question is, if he were to consider a Pystar system (which I realize is a gamble as they are currently in court), do they allow software updates from Apple? I realize OS X Leopard comes preinstalled but my concern is if he were to update the system will it break the EFI-X? I checked Pystar's site and couldn't find anything. Thanks!

Why don't you buy your friend a Mac Pro? From your sig it looks like you can afford anything. ;)
 
Let me give you examples:

GAMES:
Console : Put Disc in and Play
PC: Where is the driver, oh **** it won't play cos it does not meet sys spec, take it back to store and argue the toss to get refund.
Mac: Mac owner are rich enough to buy a console ;-)

Mobile Phones
RIM: How do i set up email, oh i have to pay RIM, oh no never envisaged that. What I need an enterprise? - quick call Spock! Need to get a geek to set up email ouch.
iPhone: Easy set-up even my granny can do it. Cool People.

Computer:
PC: Buy spend hours configuring it, tweak it every day, download latest virus updates before you even start. Oh **** forgot to by Office grrrr. Geek
Mac: Buy, start and use. Cool People - that get things done.


You're giving us examples of what?...how clueless you are?

You forgot to add that Macs cure cancer and make you breakfast every morning while PCs are the #1 cause of death in the world and have been linked to the JFK assassination.

Your comments are so out of touch...
 
Mobile Phones
RIM: How do i set up email, oh i have to pay RIM, oh no never envisaged that. What I need an enterprise? - quick call Spock! Need to get a geek to set up email ouch.
iPhone: Easy set-up even my granny can do it. Cool People.

Your examples really are terrible. Maybe in the world of an Apple obsessed fanboy life really plays out like that. The real world isn't quite so inept at getting non Apple stuff to work though.

I have an iPhone myself, but guess what? The President of the United States swears by his RIM Blackberry phone. Maybe he spends less time trying to be one of the "cool people" like your granny and spends more time getting real stuff done? Think different. Don't think retarded.
 
You miss his point. If you have a PC that is not capable of doing what you want it to do, than it's a waste of money. But this goes for a MAC also.

Exactly. I find it funny apple said this, when in fact, people are getting constant freezing / crashing doing everything from gaming to basic surfing the internet and listening to music on the iMac 4850. This happened with a line of 07 imacs also that took apple ages to fix. Pot meet kettle.
 
Your examples really are terrible. Maybe in the world of an Apple obsessed fanboy life really plays out like that. The real world isn't quite so inept at getting non Apple stuff to work though.

I have an iPhone myself, but guess what? The President of the United States swears by his RIM Blackberry phone. Maybe he spends less time trying to be one of the "cool people" like your granny and spends more time getting real stuff done? Think different. Don't think retarded.

You conveniently left out (unless you didn't know) that the President of the United States is a Mac user and so is his whole family and is actively setting up the White House with Mac computers, he wants Windows out of the White House and congress due to security reasons.
 
do you have any idea of freaking slow USB transfer is off a canon rebel xti? let alone any other model of camera?

And this is OS-specific ... how?

lets see your "USB" port outperform my SDHC reader in my Asus laptop when taking pictures off a camera

Yet the SD reader in my Thinkpad is on the system's USB bus, so it doesn't really make for a huge difference.

not everyone has the luxury of dicking around waiting for 8GB transfers to happen.

Then perhaps you should move up to a better card card reader ... or a better card / card format: the ballpark of 40MB/sec can be had with a Compact Flash SanDisk Extreme IV, which is roughly twice as fast as your current setup.

The only problem with this is is that there's not any Point & Shoot cameras that are still being sold that use CF over SD.

BTW, my Thinkpad's built-in SD slot is SD-only...how do I upgrade it to SDHC without buying a whole new computer?


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And I know several musicians, with actual recording contracts, who laugh at those who suggest they use Macs with Logic Pro.

One always should be suspicious when disciplines cross. For example, a friend of mine who's a programmer believes that the proper way to fix a loose roof gutter over the front door is to reach up, rip the gutter off the house and toss it in the front yard until spring.

On every system I've run OS X and had it crash on, I've had Windows be 100% rock solid stable on the same system. No faulty hardware, just a faulty built-in OS.

And what percentage of these "systems" were non-Apple Hackintoshes?

Restarting 14 times a day? Hmm. Yeah, definitely an exaggeration.

It happens. For example, I've gone months without any Windows crashes, but on an airline flight this past December, I had 3 Windows crashes/restarts before the system got itself sorted out.

Pulling directly off the card in Windows with any app in Windows takes well less than 1/4 of the time it takes to pull the pictures off the camera via USB using any method in OS X.

Use a card reader with iPhoto while the Windows PC is USB'ing to the camera and the performances will flip. The reason why (which is common knowledge, BTW) is because the poor I/O across the USB cable is the fault of the camera manufacturers: they're slow on all OS's (including Windows).


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You conveniently left out (unless you didn't know) that the President of the United States is a Mac user and so is his whole family and is actively setting up the White House with Mac computers, he wants Windows out of the White House and congress due to security reasons.

I know he uses a Mac but it doesn't really have any bearing on the point I was arguing against. What machine you, or the President, or I choose shouldn't matter. If he used a PC I wouldn't think anything less of him. It's just a tool to get a job done.

I was arguing against this misguided notion that somehow the world is completely crazy when you step outside of Apple. Oh no, it's a RIM phone! Call Spock over, how do you get this to work? Hey, why not just use the iPhone instead? My granny uses it and it's cool! That type of thinking I just don't buy into.
 
"A PC is no bargain when it doesn't do what you want"

That's really funny. Because over 90% of the world uses Windows computers to get things done. Does nobody want that?

No wonder apple fanboys act the way they do, this guy does the same thing! lol

Spoken like a true Windows fanboy.
 
I am so tired of the gaming and car analogy comments.

Sure Honda builds ok cars, but I'd still rather have a BMW 750 or a Range Rover (yeah yeah say what you will). I love my Rover.

Do you have the really cool optional "A Frame Protection Bar", " Front Wraparound Protection Bar", or "Rear Lamp Protection Guards"?
 
Yet another case of get what is best for you, and what gets your job done. if you like a PC, great; use it. If it's a Mac, again great; use it.

This is a Mac forum, so everyone [including me] will be bias towards a Mac, or another Apple product. I've used PC's since 1985 on a daily basis. From the old DOS days up until Windows 7 [BETA]. I've only been a Mac person for about a year now [well, a year and a couple of months :D]. I work in IT so I have a pretty good hold on technology, and I have no qualms in saying that a Mac is far more stable than any PC I've used. I can't use the Virus argument, because I've never had a virus [PC, or any other system]. But I can say that most, if not all the other arguments are valid. Speed/Performance over time, responsiveness, ease of use, etc. all weigh heavily in favor of the Mac...IMHO.

None of that is to say PC's suck, or blow, or whatever. I just happen to find that I'm more productive, and able to focus more on work with my Mac than I ever did with a PC/Windows...
 
I guess some people who are confined to buying commodity goods, would always feel uneasy about those who buy higher-end goods.


Excuse me, but every time people claim that Macs are expensive (or higher-end goods, which sounds a lot more positive), I think to myself: Has the USA turned into a third world country? Do you people realize that the original Macintosh cost $2499? In 1984 dollars? And now people argue how nobody can afford a MacBook?
 
I know he uses a Mac but it doesn't really have any bearing on the point I was arguing against. What machine you, or the President, or I choose shouldn't matter. If he used a PC I wouldn't think anything less of him. It's just a tool to get a job done.

I was arguing against this misguided notion that somehow the world is completely crazy when you step outside of Apple. Oh no, it's a RIM phone! Call Spock over, how do you get this to work? Hey, why not just use the iPhone instead? My granny uses it and it's cool! That type of thinking I just don't buy into.

Oh, sorry, misunderstood. Got your point now. ;)
 
Your logic is quite interesting. Nearly all gaming on the Mac is done under Windows. You can install a Windows-only graphics card in a Mac Pro and then use it when you boot into Windows. Is that surprising?
You can't use the video card under OS X though. It defeats the purpose. :confused:

Who would buy a Mac Pro just to run Windows?
 
You can't use the video card under OS X though. It defeats the purpose. :confused:

Who would buy a Mac Pro just to run Windows?

Nobody. There are, however, people who prefer OS X but use Windows strictly for gaming. Want to play a PC game? Log into Windows. Anything else? Log back into OS X. ;)

Up to four PCIe graphics cards can be installed in the Mac Pro, correct? Why not keep one in for OS X and another for Windows gaming?
 
Nobody. There are, however, people who prefer OS X but use Windows strictly for gaming. Want to play a PC game? Log into Windows. Anything else? Log back into OS X. ;)

Up to four PCIe graphics cards can be installed in the Mac Pro, correct? Why not keep one in for OS X and another for Windows gaming?
Please tell me you've done some research into this.
 
LOL is that a joke?

that just shows how underpar OSX is for scaleability.

with OSX is doesnt "JUST WORK"

"LOL", no. Your reply shows how dense you are.

"JUST WORK" is Steve Jobs talking. Nobody really says that, except for Windows fanboys who troll on Mac forums.

As for graphics cards, there is a relative absence of Mac OS X drivers. Which are written by their respective manufacturers. If they don't exist, by God, it won't "JUST WORK". Again, who's really to blame here?
 
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