Apple Comments on Microsoft's Laptop Hunter Ads

[Anuba]

Maybe restore sucks b/c you either can't back up your files properly or you don't know how to set restore points? I've recovered 100% of my stuff when I used to use it. Now I just back everything up to a 2nd hdd and leave it at that. A lot of people claim "X" sucks b/c of "Y", yet usually don't use the stuff enough to figure out how to properly make it work.

It does work, but it's a little messy because it's three different things.

First, there's System Restore that creates restore points when you install apps and such. It's great, when it works (I've seen a couple of really botched restores in my time), but where is it? It's under... Start > All Programs > Accessories > System Tools. Would your grandma look there? Probably not. But her hard drive will get filled up with gigs of old Restore points, and to spring clean the attic you have to go Start > All Programs > Accessories > Disk Cleanup, click past some dialogs (hello UAC), watch a progress bar for up to a minute, click the More Options tab, and only then can you clean out all Restore points except the most recent one. But if you do, you will also delete all Shadow Copies of your files.

Then there's Backup. It's fairly easy to set up, but lacks a lot of options and chooses the files to back up quite arbitrarily. It misses some stuff and makes totally redundant backups of other stuff.

Finally there's Previous Versions, a.k.a. Shadow Copies. Right-click on a file or folder and go into the Previous Versions tab, then restore to an earlier date. I've found it very useful many times, but it's hidden in a place where most general users would never look. Plus the shadow copies are on the same drive so if that drive goes, so do the copies.

Here's the Microsoft problem again: The background technology here is quite clever. Especially Previous Versions. To save disk space, it backs up only the parts of the files where data has changed. If you have some big bitmap and edit one pixel, Shadow Copies will back up only that pixel and combine it with the most recent file if you decide to revert to an earlier state. But the implementation from a UI perspective is lame. Apple's background technology on the other hand is very neanderthal, Time Machine just backs up the entire files with no compression so you need a goddamn 1 TB backup disk to get anything out of it... but the UI is fantastic, both intuitive and cool, which means that people end up actually using it. Just like the iPhone, it does things that have been done a million times before. Every goddamn smartphone has a web browser. But it wasn't until Apple came in and did it right, that web browsing on smart phones went from being used by 15% of the user base to 90+% of the user base.

I wish the two companies got along better so we could get the best of both worlds, but alas...

 

[awmazz]

No explanation necessary? So you have no real argument? Sounds like you're saying the old phrase "you don't need to know." Not really respectful.

But isn't it just an icon as i said? It is a shell, what else is it? You're making the casing of the laptop into something its not. Comparing an Apple product to a name brand for clothing proves my point. Its one thing to buy the cheapest stuff, but when you buy decent clothing, you don't need to spend $100 dollars on jeans that fit and wear the same as the $25 dollar pair, especially when you can't even see the label. Same goes for a notebook. Would anyone really care if the apple logo wasn't visible on the notebook? I bet there's a few out there who would.

Your argument is also flawed b/c the internals of the macbook are the same as a PC now, no power-pc processors anymore, just intel c2d & i7.

Not at all. You're actually supporting my argument with "It is a shell, what else is it? You're making the casing of the laptop into something its not". If you say the industrial design is not there, then you can't see it. If you can't see it, you can't justify paying for it and it holds no value to you as part of the manufacturing and retail costs. It's pretty simple really. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not judging or pontificating or demeaning you for that, just saying that's the way it is. Everyone's different in the way they see things or don't see things and what they value or don't in regards to what they are prepared to pay for.

If you don't see any value in Apple's industrial design, there's no reason you should feel you should pay for it, and there's no reason I can give you to pay for something you don't see as holding any value, which is what you're basically asking for and I can't help you with that.

 

[Synthetickiller]

Not at all. You're actually supporting my argument with "It is a shell, what else is it? You're making the casing of the laptop into something its not". If you say the industrial design is not there, then you can't see it. If you can't see it, you can't justify paying for it and it holds no value to you as part of the manufacturing and retail costs. It's pretty simple really. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not judging or pontificating or demeaning you for that, just saying that's the way it is. Everyone's different in the way they see things or don't see things and what they value or don't in regards to what they are prepared to pay for.

If you don't see any value in Apple's industrial design, there's no reason you should feel you should pay for it, and there's no reason I can give you to pay for something you don't see as holding any value, which is what you're basically asking for and I can't help you with that.

Well, I won't bother asking you anything. You'll never deem me with any response short of "no, I won't respond."

Apple "prides" (or markets) themselves as a product that is "cool" and I guess $800 bucks is the price the cool factor costs.

 

[Anuba]

Do you have a source for all of your data?

I just googled for 'video game statistics' and found it on Google Answers, but you can probably find the original source if you look around (I gave it 30 seconds).

Video games cover a very large spectrum, however I would bet that less than 5% of the 63% of American video game players play anything more taxing (or nerdy) than World of Warcraft. The games they do play are tetris, on occasion, and solitaire.

Oh, I bet a large portion of them (especially those 19% over age 50) are just playing Solitaire, Mine Sweeper and crap like that. Still, 248 million copies of console and video games were sold in the US in 2004 (that's 2 games per household) and those 5% you mentioned can't account for all of that. All games don't have to be Crysis, though, it might as well be The Sims. Last year, in the UK, PC and console game revenue surpassed DVDs and music CDs combined.

Sure, however those "gamers" use consoles.

Well, we'll never know because there's one key difference: Piracy. People who play console games usually buy them, but among PC gamers there's a whole lot of torrenting going on.

 

[awmazz]

but the UI is fantastic, both intuitive and cool, which means that people end up actually using it. Just like the iPhone, it does things that have been done a million times before. Every goddamn smartphone has a web browser. But it wasn't until Apple came in and did it right, that web browsing on smart phones went from being used by 15% of the user base to 90+% of the user base.

I wish the two companies got along better so we could get the best of both worlds, but alas...

Those changes in the figures still astounds me. People can talk all they like about specs and hardware and software and suchlike all being the same, but the example of the iPhone you just gave shows it's about so much more than that - that unquantifiable thing that makes people actually want to use the product. I think the iPhone and iPods have done more to help PC users switch over than any of Apple's advertising due simply from people experiencing their usability and start thinking maybe they'll get the same experience from a Mac..

Microsoft and Apple are old pals. Microsoft's largest installed user base up until the early 1990's was the Apple II, so they have a long history together.

 

[awmazz]

Well, I won't bother asking you anything. You'll never deem me with any response short of "no, I won't respond."

Apple "prides" (or markets) themselves as a product that is "cool" and I guess $800 bucks is the price the cool factor costs.

What do you want from me? To show you something you can't see and convince you it's worth paying for? It's beyond my abilities sorry. I don't even know where to begin to explain to you why you should pay for good industrial design when you can't see it.

Your calling it '800 bucks for the cool factor' just reinforces that you can't see the industrial design because you're clutching at cliches to try and describe something that has no appeal or even presence for you. It has no value to you, so don't pay for it and stop asking for a reason why you should. There isn't an answer to: "why should I pay for something I cant see or appreciate?" If you regard that as a 'non-response', then so be it.

 

[Anuba]

Those changes in the figures still astounds me. People can talk all they like about specs and hardware and software and suchlike all being the same, but the example of the iPhone you just gave shows it's about so much more than that - that unquantifiable thing that makes people actually want to use the product. I think the iPhone and iPods have done more to help PC users switch over than any of Apple's advertising due simply from people experiencing their usability and start thinking maybe they'll get the same experience from a Mac..

In my personal opinion, though, that "unquantifiable thing" does not extend to OS X in general. It has a lot of counter-intuitive things like the ancient menu bar at the top, the inability to resize windows by grabbing any window edge or corner, the way apps don't quit when you close the last window, the propensity for window clutter which necessitated admittedly elegant stuff like Exposé and Spaces just to patch up the mess... Where Time Machine is elegant, Safari is crude and backwards, using tabs required key commands (Safari 3) and you can't drag links from one drop-down menu to another, you have to go into the Bookmark manager and mess around there... Safari 4's tab row is quite clunky, I like'em aligned to the left and not far apart like that. OS X on Macs has a lot of things backwards and feels nowhere near as user friendly and intuitive as the stripped-down OS X on the iPhone, and after 12 or so years using Macs on the side (8 years sporadically, 4 years extensively) I'm still not feeling the "switcher pull". For all of Windows' faults, it's still the place where I get things done the fastest. I think Apple should revamp their desktop paradigm and leave a 'classic' mode for luddites who can't live without that pesky menu bar that sits miles away from your application window on a dual-screen setup. They're now taking up two edges of your desktop (menu bar + dock) for functionality that Windows squeezes into an area no larger than the OS X menu bar.

 

[AidenShaw]

Originally Posted by AidenShaw
Please explain why Vista "doesn't work"?

A couple of hundred million Vista users would like to know....

Quite a few of them have already spoken up. Google it.

Two can play that game

Search results: "OSX doesn't work"

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[KnightWRX]

Two can play that game

Search results: "OSX doesn't work"

Of course, most of your results are about third party applications not working, most of which seems to be open source and in constant development. Anecdotal evidence at most.

However, I don't think OS X ever pissed off anyone to point of a Class Action lawsuit :

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/352442_vista23.html

 

[3282868]

In my personal opinion, though, that "unquantifiable thing" does not extend to OS X in general. It has a lot of counter-intuitive things like the ancient menu bar at the top, the inability to resize windows by grabbing any window edge or corner, the way apps don't quit when you close the last window, the propensity for window clutter which necessitated admittedly elegant stuff like Exposé and Spaces just to patch up the mess... Where Time Machine is elegant, Safari is crude and backwards, using tabs required key commands (Safari 3) and you can't drag links from one drop-down menu to another, you have to go into the Bookmark manager and mess around there... Safari 4's tab row is quite clunky, I like'em aligned to the left and not far apart like that. OS X on Macs has a lot of things backwards and feels nowhere near as user friendly and intuitive as the stripped-down OS X on the iPhone, and after 12 or so years using Macs on the side (8 years sporadically, 4 years extensively) I'm still not feeling the "switcher pull". For all of Windows' faults, it's still the place where I get things done the fastest. I think Apple should revamp their desktop paradigm and leave a 'classic' mode for luddites who can't live without that pesky menu bar that sits miles away from your application window on a dual-screen setup. They're now taking up two edges of your desktop (menu bar + dock) for functionality that Windows squeezes into an area no larger than the OS X menu bar.

Strange question, but for some reason when I use Vista on my system, my display seems crisper. I don't know why. On my Mac Pro, it's fine, but in Vista the blacks seem blacker. I fiddled around with it. I have a 24" ACD and a 32" Samsung 1080P set up. Both systems detect it without any issues, but I never tried calibrating the Samsung on Mac OS X. Any thoughts?

 

[Rob0711]

erm guys (and girls though i guess there are few in this thread now) as much as i like open debates this leads nowhere. most guys here don´t play that much games on their computers, nor would many like to open their boxes and exchange the cooling system etc. apparently some of you do. and i have no problem with that. but the choice of system, clothing, hairstyle still stays each persons personal choice. some of you guys apparently love high end pc games. which is ok in itself. yes the games market is huge (and a problem in itself but i won´t get into that here) and yes games can be very cool (just returned from playing a bit of killzone2, so i´m not unfammiliar with the topic) and pretty taxing on the hardware. still there are people who do other things with their hardware (and software) for a vast diversity of reasons. all of them being as valid as the other.
this constant epeen comparison IS boring and just makes no sense.

and the thing about money. besides there being countless of reasons for buying any of the machines out there. there will always be a differenciation. that´s capitalism. unless you create your own hardware, grow your own vegetables, knit your own clothes and cut your own hair because the guy in that shop does it for dollars !! and you can do it yourself for free ! i´d rethink that strategy. i wouldn´t eat the 1€ pizza at the shop next door. although 99% of it´s components are exactly the same as at my favourite restaurant. still i wouldn´t do it and still i won´t criticize the people eating there (what i think is another thing but thoughts are free as well).

many of the people here (me included) earn hard cash with computers (in one way or another) in my case i couldn´t and wouldn´t do it as good as i do it on my macs. and i´ve played that game on all systems. others might do it exactly the other way around. that still doesn´t make me or that other guy retarded. it´s just choice. and we´re free to do it since we live in a more or less free society. most here, me included, think its very intelligent to work on a mac (and do non work related stuff on it too) some others might see that different. still i wonder why someone who just doesn´t like the system spends that much time on macrumors.com. there are tons of better things to do in life (and even more pressing things during our current recession) and before calling all of them(or rather us) stupid i´d shift a gear down and get back into a civilized mode.

 

[Anuba]

I tried a few other search strings...

"Vista sucks" generated 126,000 hits.

"Vista rocks" generated 14,000.

"OSX sucks"/"OS X sucks"/"Leopard sucks" generated around 4,000 hits combined.

"OSX rocks"/"OS X rocks"/"Leopard rocks" generated around 7,000 hits combined. Some of these hits appear to be misspellings of Def Leppard, though (as in "Deff Leopard rocks!")

Conclusions:

1) Vista sucks a whole lot more than it rocks (10:1)
2) OS X (Leopard or not) rocks a tad more than it sucks
3) 11,000 hits total is a really small number.

 

[Rob0711]

Strange question, but for some reason when I use Vista on my system, my display seems crisper. I don't know why. On my Mac Pro, it's fine, but in Vista the blacks seem blacker. I fiddled around with it. I have a 24" ACD and a 32" Samsung 1080P set up. Both systems detect it without any issues, but I never tried calibrating the Samsung on Mac OS X. Any thoughts?

pc´s and macs use different gamma settings as a base. and i guess you mean crispier by that little more contrast you see there. the detail stays the same
if you want to have it identical go to the monitor pref pane and calibrate the monitor gamma to a pc standard (it´s marked in there)

 

[Anuba]

Strange question, but for some reason when I use Vista on my system, my display seems crisper. I don't know why. On my Mac Pro, it's fine, but in Vista the blacks seem blacker. I fiddled around with it. I have a 24" ACD and a 32" Samsung 1080P set up. Both systems detect it without any issues, but I never tried calibrating the Samsung on Mac OS X. Any thoughts?

I dunno... does it have anything to do with that whole 6-bit dithering thing, or would that affect Vista in BootCamp too? (I'm not sure if the 6-bit thing is hardware or software related)

I noticed similar issues with the Mac Mini I have plugged into my TV. I used to have a PC there for playing DVDs and DivX/XviD movies, and the colors were fine there, but on the Mini all dark colors are blocky and gradients look kind of crappy, no matter how I fiddle with colors, calibration, or the de-blocking filter in the DivX control panel. All dark areas in videos look like some damn Tetris session. It's the same on QuickTime trailers in Front Row.

However, I don't think OS X ever pissed off anyone to point of a Class Action lawsuit :

Hmm...

"Mac OS X lawsuit deal gets final nod"
"Apple Slapped With OS X Permission Lawsuit"
"Apple faces $20 million lawsuit, OS X sales ban"
"Apple G3 owners win OS X refund"
"Apple sued over OS X Tiger"
"Anti-Apple lawsuit cites 20-year-old patent"

 

[(L)]

Well, I won't bother asking you anything. You'll never deem me with any response short of "no, I won't respond."

Apple "prides" (or markets) themselves as a product that is "cool" and I guess $800 bucks is the price the cool factor costs.

Just to be clear, you just want to discuss this your way.

Yawn.

 

[AidenShaw]

Of course, most of your results are about third party applications not working, most of which seems to be open source and in constant development. Anecdotal evidence at most.

So your anecdotes are valid, mine aren't? I guess this irony went over your head.

Anyway, much of the upset about Vista was about third party software and drivers, so it's not really that different.

However, I don't think OS X ever pissed off anyone to point of a Class Action lawsuit

Epic fail on that conjecture:


Search results for osx "class action"

Apple G3 OS X Class Action Settlement Bancroft v Apple Computer, Inc ...
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G3/OS X class action settlement details posted | Root | Macworld
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Kinda annoyed with OS X? Here's $25 bucks!
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Kinda annoyed with OS X? Here's $25 bucks! - Ars Technica
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IGM: Class Action RAGE May Push Apple To Revise G3 Support in OS X
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iPod battery class action lawsuit versus Apple [Archive] - The ...
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[cjm3113]

People will file a law suit over anything these days.

"Hey, I dropped my Macbook on my foot and it broke my toe! I hope you are going to pay my medical bills!"

 

[KnightWRX]

Kinda annoyed with OS X? Here's $25 bucks!
Apple has settled part of a class action lawsuit that sought damages for Apple's ... Some OS X fans have accused the class action participants of being whiners who ...arstechnica.com/archive/news/1060885148.html - Cached

I think you would be hard pressed to find those kind of comments about the Vista lawsuit

Also, wasn't that Class action lawsuit because people wanted support in OS X for older Macs with ATI rage cards ? So in essence, Vista gets slapped because customers get burned with it, OS X gets slapped because people want it even though they can't have it.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

As a few have pointed out, choice is simply an illusion. Psychologically speaking, the more choice a consumer is given the more apt they are at making the wrong decisions as well as becoming emotionally overwhelmed.

In the computer world, someone is choosing what parts/features your computer will have. You can make that choice based on your own needs that you have determined by your daily habits or you can let Steve make that choice based on what he feels like that day. Which is more likely to hurt the end-user?

 

[-hh]

But isn't it just an icon as i said? It is a shell, what else is it? You're making the casing of the laptop into something its not.

Everything is part of the larger holistic system. You might not care about this or that dimension, but that doesn't mean that you're right (or wrong): merely that your significance weighting of various parameters is different from at least some of the posters here.

Comparing an Apple product to a name brand for clothing proves my point. Its one thing to buy the cheapest stuff, but when you buy decent clothing, you don't need to spend $100 dollars on jeans that fit and wear the same as the $25 dollar pair, especially when you can't even see the label. Same goes for a notebook. Would anyone really care if the apple logo wasn't visible on the notebook? I bet there's a few out there who would.

Why do some women spend $10,000 on a dress that they'll only wear once? And add another $500 for the wedding veil, BTW.

Of course the more common MR analogy is of 8oz of ground hamburger vs. 8oz of fillet mignon ... they both have the same amount of nutritional calories, so obviously, the fact that the one costs much more can only be because it is a "Rip Off".

Your argument is also flawed b/c the internals of the macbook are the same as a PC now, no power-pc processors anymore, just intel c2d & i7.

Yet they end up being different products due to product differentiation in other areas, which the marketplace votes with their wallet to place a tangible and significant cash value on that product differentiation...that's not your doing: its the Marketplace's action.

The laptops are not made that will IMO as most people's macbooks I've come across break down after a few years while my IBM is still ticking along. Heck, I have thinkpads from the early 90s (circa 1992) that still work perfectly other than a dead battery that won't hold a charge.

Heck someone I know has a g4 macbook that can't stay on longer than 2 hours due to overheating. Many of the keys have come off the keyboard and its slowly dying. The fact that getting it fixed costs more than a used one also doesn't appear appealing to anyone other than those with money to burn.

And I drove past two car wrecks this afternoon, which proves that I'm right: its always the car that's at fault and never the driver.

I decided to try hackintosh about a week ago and did a little reading. Took me 3 hours to get the bios settings and drivers working... its just easy if you take maybe 1 or 2 hours of reading on the topic to make everything work.

So it took at least 5 hours of your valuable free time so far...what's the market value of that time if your boss told you to stay late and work that 5 hours as overtime?

Just be aware that if you say a low enough number, I'm going to hire you at that hourly rate to do a bunch of unpleasant work projects around my house that I don't want to do myself, starting with pulling the poison ivy.

The point that is being made here is that while you might have found those X hours of work to be interesting and entertaining (and thus "worth it" to you), we can't say that everyone will always feel the same way.

All people are always going to place some finite value on not having to (in their view) waste X hours of their life.

For example, if Apple made exactly the Mac that you hackintoshed, but it only cost $5 more, would you still have hacked in order to save that $5? The answer is (virtually) always going to be "No". Raise the 'Tax' to $10, you'll still be at 99.9% saying "No". At $50, you'll be at 99% No and 1% Yes...and so on.

Everyone ultimately has their price.


-hh

 

[-hh]

I'm not hiding behind psychology and arguing that PC's are worse by you have "too" much choice. I'm arguing that the more choice, the better you're able to make your PC work for you.

Its not hiding behind psychology: it is about understanding the consumer's mindset so as to allow a business to be MORE profitable.

And thus, its time once again to cite Barry's book

"The Paradox of Choice".

Even the paperback has been out for the past 4 years.


If you were local to me (I can't tell, since you've never filled out any of your profile), I'd loan you my copy for free. Maybe also "Resource Wars" too, although a real classic for anyone who plays first person shooters is The Forever War (1974) by Joe Haldeman, which has just been re-published (St. Martin's Griffin - February 2009).


-hh

 

[Anuba]

Tolerance to abundance of choices is individual and one luddite's book isn't going to change that. And nobody (not even Barry) is going to suffer a brain meltdown if Apple were to introduce one or two more models. That's the perspective we're talking about here. If Apple is concerned about offering too many items to choose from, they should immediately limit the iTunes Store to three music albums and three iPhone applications, and scrap all iPod Nano color options except silver.

 

[cjm3113]

Tolerance to abundance of choices is individual and one luddite's book isn't going to change that. And nobody (not even Barry) is going to suffer a brain meltdown if Apple were to introduce one or two more models. That's the perspective we're talking about here. If Apple is concerned about offering too many items to choose from, they should immediately limit the iTunes Store to three music albums and three iPhone applications, and scrap all iPod Nano color options except silver.

Agreed, the the more choices is less argument is absolutely comical in this context.

 

[dejo]

Agreed, the the more choices is less argument is absolutely comical in this context.

In this context, perhaps. But the incessant arguing of "how can more choice ever be bad?" is wrong. Sometimes it is. As proven using scientific methods and reported by Barry in his book.

 

[cjm3113]

In this context, perhaps. But the incessant arguing of "how can more choice ever be bad?" is wrong. Sometimes it is. As proven using scientific methods and reported by Barry in his book.

I agree, hence the reason I included "in this context" in my post.