But I bet if you asked either one to explain a sudo command or how overclocking works, then they'd both go crawl under a rock.
"Sudo" is an Asian martial art, right?
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"Sudo" is an Asian martial art, right?
Well, in that case then yeah.
Pfft, wiki/google WTMFW.As if most fanboys actually know what EFI or BIOS even is.
The fanboy camps are basically the same when it comes to actually knowing anything about whatever it is they're cheering for.
Mac fanboy: Mine looks cooler!
Windows fanboy: Mine can play games!
But I bet if you asked either one to explain a sudo command or how overclocking works, then they'd both go crawl under a rock.
As if most fanboys actually know what EFI or BIOS even is.
The fanboy camps are basically the same when it comes to actually knowing anything about whatever it is they're cheering for.
Mac fanboy: Mine looks cooler!
Windows fanboy: Mine can play games!
But I bet if you asked either one to explain a sudo command or how overclocking works, then they'd both go crawl under a rock.
Sounds like revenge of the nerds. All this "fanboy" talk is getting ridiculous.
Actually you're attributing that quote to the wrong person... it's Sehnsucht's and it's post #7498589
Overclocking Minis sounds funn... albeit dangerous...As if most fanboys actually know what EFI or BIOS even is.
The fanboy camps are basically the same when it comes to actually knowing anything about whatever it is they're cheering for.
Mac fanboy: Mine looks cooler!
Windows fanboy: Mine can play games!
But I bet if you asked either one to explain a sudo command or how overclocking works, then they'd both go crawl under a rock.
But then games are more or less "locked" to Windows due to Microsoft's DirectX... So unless Microsoft opens up DirectX, game developers have to restrict their games to Windows. (Or if Linux and Mac OS X sees a significant boost in usage and OpenGL gets a boost in development...)
(has anyone done it with the new mini as of yet?)
Well, also, the EFI, if I'm correct, is what allows for the Air's (and now also the Mac Mini's) Remote boot disc function. The EFIs support complex booting procedures while allowing for easy firmware integration without the developer banging his head onto the table.
...With BIOS the Air would be literally a mess...
BIOS and EFI still tied
BIOS supports network booting as well. See PXE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment).
The HP MediaSmart has no DVD drive - clean OS installs are done by putting the DVD into another system on the network, and remote booting the installation.
I'm not claiming that EFI is bad. It does have some real advantages over BIOS, mainly for the manufacturer.
It's not one of my criteria for purchasing a system, however. There's no real benefit once the operating system is running.
BIOS supports network booting as well. See PXE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment).
The HP MediaSmart has no DVD drive - clean OS installs are done by putting the DVD into another system on the network, and remote booting the installation.
I'm not claiming that EFI is bad. It does have some real advantages over BIOS, mainly for the manufacturer.
It's not one of my criteria for purchasing a system, however. There's no real benefit once the operating system is running.
No, I mean booting to a specific volume on another computer on a local network. (kinda different to netboot)
If you did that with BIOS yourself then I'd really congratulate you. (quite hard if you ask me... HP must've done a decent job with their BIOS's if their laptops can actually do that)
And again, my point is that the EFI allows you to boot into Mac OS X. That's the piece of hardware that costs you the extra $400-800...
Actually, to be more specific, it's the extra boot code that Apple put on the EFI or the EFI related chip...
(so Intel's not really the reason that Apple's computer boot different...)
PS. hence the EULA underlining that you should not copy, modify, etc. the Apple boot code...
The HP doesn't need to netboot.
The network download can be simple shim that connects to the network drive, which is then booted - just like the MBA.
In other words, whatever "magic" you think that EFI has can be loaded by PXE - and exactly the same remote drive situation can be done with BIOS as well as EFI.
Possibly simpler with EFI - but since BIOS can download boot extensions over the network, the capabilities can be the same.
This does not detract from the fact that using multiple monitors with Photoshop Win64 sucks completely.
Being that 5 MAJOR recording studios in NYC have recently switched to OS X from Windows, musicians and studio techs would sooner be laughing at you.
Greatest oxymoron of all time.
Yes, isn't it sad that OS 9s cooperative multitasking OS was stable enough to outperform Windows preemptive multitasking which was highly prone to crashing?
You may be right, it was more like 18 times per day.
Problems have since been addressed and Magsafe has been much improved. Shall we post Vista's problems before SP1 was released?
Overall. Preston Gralla seems to disagree with you on all points:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131558
(at the bold'd statement)That's my point. It's hard to do that.
(and the wikipedia link you posted, if i'm correct, is about netboot.)
PS. capabilities can be added by manufacturer, but what comes "in the box" is what counts. I mean as in BIOS does not make it easy for devs to add to it... While the EFI does..
-- and for the third time, the point of the EFI being the difference is that it allows you to boot into Mac OS X
Don't waste your time with links, he'll find a way to discredit them anyway, no matter how legimate.
BTW, one of metal's greatest producers seems to like using Apple, not MS:
Andy Sneap's website said:
I wonder if he's professional enough?
And I had always been told that "OMFG nobody wants to like, develop games for MAC [sic] because like, nobody like, uses them because they like, suck!!!!!111!!!!!!1!!!!!" So there are more technical reasons, eh? Interesting...Microsoft opening up DirectX? To borrow a tidbit from 4chan, "LAWL."*
*DISCLAIMER: Sehnsucht does not visit 4chan. Ever.
Laptop Hunters
Its funny how people even those in corporations still do not know how to differentiate between cost vs price. As they refer to the purchase amount of a laptop vs a Mac as cost when its the price they are truly addressing. Yes, the initial price of a laptop is cheaper than a Mac. However, over the course of their life expectancy, the COST of a Mac is cheaper. One can find a 5 year old Mac on craigslist but wont find one for a pc laptop unless its for free. Anyone that has any sense of long term thinking will know that a Mac is the best buy. Dont need to go into detail of the less maintenance involved in owning a Mac since you do not need to continuously update your spyware, malware, and repurchase them early. Far as Macs capabilities, here is a link regarding the most basic Mac, the Mac mini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ytEO_godc If this link does not work, go to youtube.com and search mac mini stability. You'll find the capabilities of a mac mini with 1.42 processor and 512mb of ram.
Granted its not a laptop, but looking at its specs and witness its capabilities, a pc just cant compete. With the abundance of stupid people, I dont think well ever run out of fossil fuel.
Its funny how people even those in corporations still do not know how to differentiate between cost vs price. As they refer to the purchase amount of a laptop vs a Mac as cost when its the price they are truly addressing. Yes, the initial price of a laptop is cheaper than a Mac. However, over the course of their life expectancy, the COST of a Mac is cheaper. One can find a 5 year old Mac on craigslist but wont find one for a pc laptop unless its for free. Anyone that has any sense of long term thinking will know that a Mac is the best buy. Dont need to go into detail of the less maintenance involved in owning a Mac since you do not need to continuously update your spyware, malware, and repurchase them early. Far as Macs capabilities, here is a link regarding the most basic Mac, the Mac mini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ytEO_godc If this link does not work, go to youtube.com and search mac mini stability. You'll find the capabilities of a mac mini with 1.42 processor and 512mb of ram.
Granted its not a laptop, but looking at its specs and witness its capabilities, a pc just cant compete. With the abundance of stupid people, I dont think well ever run out of fossil fuel.
Mac vs. PC; Value vs. Hand-holding
As it has been for a long time, the Mac and the generic PC are targeted toward different folks. For those who are proficient with PC technology, there is no need to get a Mac. For those who generally don't care about technology but just want to get the job done, buying a Mac may be safer and easier. The price for this is higher price.
A higher resolution display is not necessarily a higher quality display, and you may not like it or need it. At 1920×1440, even on a 17-in screen, the text becomes so tiny that you'd have to be under 20 years old to be able to see clearly!
I recently bought a similar HP notebook PC instead of a MacBook because of its nice metallic look and much cheaper price. I do not need all the "hand-holding" offered by Apple's software. Specifically, my HP Pavilion dv5 notebook PC offers me much higher value than a MacBook or MacBook Pro. To make my PC safe, I simply download and install Avast anti-virus and ZoneAlarm. They are both free and extremely capable.
As it has been for a long time, the Mac and the generic PC are targeted toward different folks. For those who are proficient with PC technology, there is no need to get a Mac. For those who generally don't care about technology but just want to get the job done, buying a Mac may be safer and easier. The price for this is higher price.
A higher resolution display is not necessarily a higher quality display, and you may not like it or need it. At 1920×1440, even on a 17-in screen, the text becomes so tiny that you'd have to be under 20 years old to be able to see clearly!
I recently bought a similar HP notebook PC instead of a MacBook because of its nice metallic look and much cheaper price. I do not need all the "hand-holding" offered by Apple's software. Specifically, my HP Pavilion dv5 notebook PC offers me much higher value than a MacBook or MacBook Pro. To make my PC safe, I simply download and install Avast anti-virus and ZoneAlarm. They are both free and extremely capable.
one size rarely fits all
The fallacy present here is that one can be proficient, but that doesn't logically then dictate that one is thus then obligated to always exercise that proficiency.
Analogy case in point: an oil change for one's car. Its technically easy to do, but that doesn't mean that one is thus obligated to always do it yourself. Afterall, the extra $25 for the local garage to do it starts to look pretty appealing when its the middle of winter and your 'shade tree mechanic' driveway has a foot of snow covering it.
And yet there's a difference between "need" and "want".
Personally, I've already done enough oil changes on freezing cold days in snowstorms in my life ... and the IT equivalents ... such that I now attribute value on products that don't require as much maintenance - and similar BS. Its not because I can't go suffer the task (again), but merely that I no longer want to, and the cost of avoiding it is acceptably low.
The fallacy present here is that one assumes that your personal definition of value is something that matters to others.
Since there's no such thing as a free lunch, there's always a price to be paid somewhere.
-hh
The fallacy present here is that one can be proficient, but that doesn't logically then dictate that one is thus then obligated to always exercise that proficiency.
Analogy case in point: an oil change for one's car. Its technically easy to do, but that doesn't mean that one is thus obligated to always do it yourself. Afterall, the extra $25 for the local garage to do it starts to look pretty appealing when its the middle of winter and your 'shade tree mechanic' driveway has a foot of snow covering it.
And yet there's a difference between "need" and "want".
Personally, I've already done enough oil changes on freezing cold days in snowstorms in my life ... and the IT equivalents ... such that I now attribute value on products that don't require as much maintenance - and similar BS. Its not because I can't go suffer the task (again), but merely that I no longer want to, and the cost of avoiding it is acceptably low.
The fallacy present here is that one assumes that your personal definition of value is something that matters to others.
Since there's no such thing as a free lunch, there's always a price to be paid somewhere.
-hh
Cut me a break. There are many problems in the suitability of your analogy. Customizing your PC's software so that it can be safer and more efficient is a lot easier than having to endure the cold weather and changing a car's oil on your own.
Yes. You mean there is a difference between "ability to do" and "want to do". But here again the task is fairly trivial if your are proficient. Also the software setup is a one-time affair, with automatic future updates, quite different from a oil change under difficult conditions that must be done periodically.
PC and Mac people are different. PC guys usually like to tinker with hardware and software. Mac people just want to use the computer as a tool to get a job done; they don't want to bother with the associated technologies and most do not understand them either.
PC guys do not see the value of Apple's hand-holding approach to software, while Mac Heads appreciate it. PC guys may try to install Mac OS X on a generic PC for the challenge and fun of it, but I'd say they rarely use this setup to do real work.
Cost vs. Price
For PC folks, cost = price
For Mac heads, cost = price + time and effort to learn computer knowledge
Therefore, for people who are familiar with PC technology, there is not that much attractiveness from the friendliness of the Mac OS X.
For PC folks, cost = price
For Mac heads, cost = price + time and effort to learn computer knowledge
Therefore, for people who are familiar with PC technology, there is not that much attractiveness from the friendliness of the Mac OS X.
Gladly, when I see merit.
Initially, I said 'yes', but from what you've written later on, you still don't get it. The difference is between:
Ability, with also a "want to do"
and
Ability, but without a "want to do".
Thus, its not about ability at all, and all of your statements about "Mac heads" are invalid.
Irrelevant.
No matter how supposedly "trivial", the problems shouldn't crop up in the first place.
For anyone intellectually swift enough to recognize patterns who also has a dislike for doing the same thing over again, it becomes increasingly irritating to have to perform the same trivial BS over and over and over again because of fundamental flaws in the product.
For some, the realization eventually unfolds that the "trivial" fixes are merely treating the symptoms, and not finding an actual cure to the disease.
Treating Symptoms = constant "Trivial Tasks" in Windows
Cure for the Disease = OS X
Granted, because OS X is weak in comprehensive IT solutions for the Enterprise, its not really a cure for bigger businesses today. Don't know if this is a "Yet" sort of statement or not, but it doesn't really matter for home IT applications.
-hh
Overblown claims about Mac vs. PC, OS X vs. Windows
There is no doubt that Windows has security problems, but because it has been around a long time and its vulnerability well known, most of the anti-virus, firewall, anti-malware, etc. software on the market, free or paid applications are quite good in protecting a PC. Apple is making it sound like a big deal, and you are doing the same.
It pays to be computer-literate in this day and age. There will always be beginners and newbies. It is nice that an operating system is easy to learn and use, but it is not so nice that Apple wants to charge a high premium over "ordinary" operating systems. Windows 7 Beta has been deemed stable and fast, in addition to requiring minimal hardware power. I expect Microsoft to be a much tougher competitor for Apple in the coming years.
I collect Macs. I have Mac 512K, SE/30, IIci, Powerbook 3400c, Powerbook G3 Wallstreet, Powerbook G3 Pismo, Powerbook G4, LC (died), iMac (24-in), and MacPro. I also have every model of iPod except the first generation model. I like Apple products for the design aesthetics more than anything else. I can use Mac OS X just as well as I can use Windows XP/Vista.
What I said about Mac Heads is generally true; they are usually the non-technical types who just want to use a computer to get things done. I like Apple stuff, but do not like the fact that it is charging what the market will bear. I like my HP dv5 because it's a real bargain compared to MacBook and MacBook Pro, for an experienced computer user like me. And this time, I think a PC like the HP dv5 even looks better than Apple's latest notebook computers!
There is no doubt that Windows has security problems, but because it has been around a long time and its vulnerability well known, most of the anti-virus, firewall, anti-malware, etc. software on the market, free or paid applications are quite good in protecting a PC. Apple is making it sound like a big deal, and you are doing the same.
It pays to be computer-literate in this day and age. There will always be beginners and newbies. It is nice that an operating system is easy to learn and use, but it is not so nice that Apple wants to charge a high premium over "ordinary" operating systems. Windows 7 Beta has been deemed stable and fast, in addition to requiring minimal hardware power. I expect Microsoft to be a much tougher competitor for Apple in the coming years.
I collect Macs. I have Mac 512K, SE/30, IIci, Powerbook 3400c, Powerbook G3 Wallstreet, Powerbook G3 Pismo, Powerbook G4, LC (died), iMac (24-in), and MacPro. I also have every model of iPod except the first generation model. I like Apple products for the design aesthetics more than anything else. I can use Mac OS X just as well as I can use Windows XP/Vista.
What I said about Mac Heads is generally true; they are usually the non-technical types who just want to use a computer to get things done. I like Apple stuff, but do not like the fact that it is charging what the market will bear. I like my HP dv5 because it's a real bargain compared to MacBook and MacBook Pro, for an experienced computer user like me. And this time, I think a PC like the HP dv5 even looks better than Apple's latest notebook computers!