Apple Concerned Ex-Employees Accused of Theft of Trade Secrets Will Flee to China

[code-m]

The xenophobia is strong in this topics forum. While I am not a supporter nor a denier, if Apple had no problems with they employment after hiring them with a background check and this still happened tells me there is a lot of work that still needs to get done relating to this issue. There are many talented people around the world and it brings benefits as well as challenges, this forum is certainly not an appropriate method to have this discussion as many details we are not privy to unfortunately. All that will come of this is speculation and xenophobic ideals.

I am actually concerned as to why MR would actually post this or keep the forum open for this to surface strong sentiment from both sides, maybe entertainment value.

 

[T-R-S]

oh how ironic in America you get bail - in China you get the death penalty for espionage

 

[tubomac]

China is our enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

People are never the enemy of anyone. The real enemy are the politics and the politicians who sell themselves to corporations. Those who rule against national interest and fail in improving the wellness of their own citizens. Those and those only are the real enemy of anyone. Once upon a time every country used to protect his own economy taxing foreign's goods so that some products made in some third world country was not too cheap and able to destroy internal productions. Now, instead, someone has decided that the whole world should become a one single third world country with a caste of a few stateless individuals who owns everything.

 

[iRutherford]

Guess you’ve never been to the Vegas strip and hung out at fake Vegas or fake Paris? ;-)

They're not cultural theft like these are:

https://www.insider.com/china-fake-...for-scenic-gondola-rides-on-the-grand-canal-1

 

[v0x07]

DON'T treat all Chinese People as enemy. I am from China, an average man, nobody, should not always be considered a thief or something. Don't you think it's racist?
These two ex-employees in Apple should be punished if they did steal trade secrets, which they would also face all of these things in China.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Maybe apple should pay a little more for domestic talent?

maybe then what would Apple be then huh? Looking inward doesn’t always present the best way forward or show you the best talent.

either way reading this article looks pretty petty and ugly from Apple’s side to be honest. Just my view. Let’s assume a tactic for an ex employee before those convicted. Hmmm.

 

[rebateProcessing]

I believe in reciprocity. I think the USA and all other countries should apply to Chinese nationals, at least, the same laws there are in China for foreigners. For instance, in China, even if a foreigner national marries a Chinese national he/she doesn't inherit any rights, not even to work. A foreigners in China has almost no rights doesn't matter how long he/she is married with a Chinese national. I'm saying that and I'm not a USA national. All the western world recently is so worried about "rights", but nobody worry that in most of Asian countries (Japan included) there are absolutely no laws at all against any kind of discrimination, even, and especially, racial discrimination.

Chinese people have never enslaved African Americans that’s one of the reasons they don’t have this kind of law
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I’m Taiwanese, what more do you have to say?

Not all Chinese are evils. For example, people from Republic of China(aka Taiwan) are notable exceptions

 

[mrwuf]

https://www.glassdoor.com/research/h1b-workers/

It's very easy to get around this. One of my best friends is a (former) H1B worker from India. He almost couldn't convert to H1B after we graduated and asked for my help to get it. He hooked me up with a shady lawyer his company used, and that guy told me all the loopholes. Thankfully, he got another job before I had to consider it further.

Employers only have to show they advertised for a certain period and that they pay "going rates" defined by the government for the responsibilities. However, some of the things they do to circumvent this are:

• rewrite the responsibilities so that they can justify paying lower rates
• pretend to consider American candidates, and claim all of them "don't have the right skills"
• often, once an H1B or (more often) former H1B becomes a hiring manager themselves, they will tell their managers and HR/recruiters that any non-H1B is "not a good fit" until they can justify hiring the H1B, preferably a relative or family friend. This is often how a particular role or department can go from 1 foreign-born manager to an entire office of H1Bs in a relatively short period

The first 2 are often things a company will do, whereas the third can be done without the company even intending it. In the cases where it's just a rogue manager, they often do actually pay market rates. There's a former Facebook engineer who talks about H1B abuse on YT.

All that said, for the most part, don't blame the little guy workers who are taking advantage of these systems. They're just trying to feed their families. Be mad at the rich guys who profit it off it the most, and the politicians who have said they'll fix it and then never do.

 

[Pro7913]

Chinese people have never enslaved African Americans that’s one of the reasons they don’t have this kind of law

https://chinaafricaproject.com/2019...-children-crying-while-singing-chinese-songs/

Apparently, they are trying.

 

[rumr46556]

Money matter.

News:-

Apple is suing the former chief architect of its iPhone and iPad microprocessors, who in February quit to co-found a data-center chip design biz.

In a complaint filed in the Santa Clara Superior Court, in California, USA, and seen by The Register, the Cupertino goliath claimed xxxxxx Williams, CEO of semiconductor upstart Nxxxa, broke his Apple employment agreement while setting up his new enterprise.

Same Same 😞

 

[tubomac]

Chinese people have never enslaved African Americans that’s one of the reasons they don’t have this kind of law
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Not all Chinese are evils. For example, people from Republic of China(aka Taiwan) are notable exceptions

So, do you mean that is OK to discriminate foreigners living in China? do you know that you don't have laws against that? Do you know that foreigners citizens, even if they marry a Chinese national, don't have any right? they can't even work like a normal Chinese citizens. Do you mean it's OK?

And please, don't touch the history. Here none of us is innocent, no country is innocent, and I'm not talking about the USA only. I'm talking about every country, and yours too. Nowadays, in every civilized country there are laws against racism. If I discriminate someone I go to jail, period. In China you can even put a sing out your shop in which is written "Only Chinese allowed" and nothing happen. Is it OK for you? who is the racist here? how would you feel if in a western country you see such a sign out of a store?

P.S. I'm not saying that Chinese people are evil.

 

[MRrainer]

The only question is, how many - that weren’t quite as greedy and stupid - more didn’t they catch?

The thing is: these people are often very good at their jobs - that’s why they are hired over people with other passports.

 

[calstanford]

China is our enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

"Our" enemy. Speak for yourself kid. Not for "us".
I assume you're American. Your country build up China economically. Your biggest foreign loan holder is China, your biggest import partner is China. You outsourced almost all your factory production to China so that your rich *******s can become richer. All your Apple gear is from China!
Now suddenly you call it your enemy? Ridiculous.

 

[MRrainer]

If Zhang and Chen flee to China, what difference will it make to Apple? Whatever trade secrets they've memorized could be passed along in a phone call, and presumably already have. Assuming that the files and photographs were already recovered when they were arrested, those trade secrets wouldn't go with them to China.

It’s a matter of principle. To deter the next person to try. At least a little bit.

 

[calstanford]

I’m Taiwanese, what more do you have to say?

Millions of Taiwanese work in China. Is that what you are implying?

 

[baypharm]

Or maybe more thorough background checks.

explain further...how would background checks have prevented this?

 

[matrix07]

DON'T treat all Chinese People as enemy. I am from China, an average man, nobody, should not always be considered a thief or something. Don't you think it's racist?
These two ex-employees in Apple should be punished if they did steal trade secrets, which they would also face all of these in China.

No one said Chinese is an enemy. Someone said China which basically means CCP: Communist Party of China.
Law in China is a joke though. It’s not up to the standard of civilized countries. It’s there to be completely a government tool.

 

[jpn]

I see some keyboard-hero and Chinese 50-cent in this topic......

wasn't familiar with the term, but googled it. thanks.

i imagine its hard to make a living doing it at only 0.5 RMB per post.
would need to somehow automate it i imagine.

when i read a post on macrumors or other site, i look at when that poster started posting to that site.
anything less than a year is suspect.
so i have added Chinese 50-centers to my list of people who are pushing endorsements of some product without a longer history of posting at that site.

 

[GadgetBen]

They are clearly spies, there would not be such a hospitable treatment if it was the other way around.

 

[MacBH928]

"Chinese Born"? I think this is the first time in my life I read a racist news article.

I’m Taiwanese, what more do you have to say?

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[Agit21]

China is our enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

China is next right after Russia it seems. But this time you’ll lose the fight. China is not Russia.

 

[Classie]

You can have enemies without full scale warfare, even with flourishing cooperations. Stop kidding yourself - China is our (western world/democracy) enemy! Anyone who thinks differently is naive or not informed about the world.

 

[dantroline]

explain further...how would background checks prevented this?

Discussing that would be opening a very big can of worms I think.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

China is our enemy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Enemy?
It’s in our nature to destroy ourselves!

Fortunately, in the scientific community there is no such thing as authority and stealing is very annoying, but definitely not illegal. Maybe that’s the reason their progression is beyond human comprehension.

Meanwhile, it took Apple 4 years to fix a keyboard

 

[dantroline]

"Chinese Born"? I think this is the first time in my life I read a racist news article.



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It's not wrong or "racist" to point out races / nationalities / cultures or to merely discuss them, otherwise what's the point of language if nothing is allowed to be identified or classified? Life is getting so good for some people that they seem to be on an endless crusade, looking for something to be offended about.