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Apple concerns me, Windows 7 intrigues...

jbrenn said:
came on a laptop 1.8 single core 512 mb ram
did not run well maxed ram to 2 gb still took several minutes to load ie

bought a new computer less than a month ago
AMD Athlon LE-1640 Single-Core Processor (2.7GHz)
1GB PC2 6400 DDR SDRAM

still crap same problems as laptop

So everyone knows i have used windows 7
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Wow, 1.8 single core. I have a 5 year old desktop that is a 3.0 ghz pentium 4 single core machine. So you thought using extremely old hardware would run something extremely new? Interesting.

You bought a NEW computer that is a single core? How can you call that new? All of the NEW computers are Dual Core and soon (in laptops) will all be QUAD Core. You need a better computer if you plan on running vista. I'm not saying top of the line but at least a core 2 duo.

Windows 7 isn't out yet in case you weren't aware, but it will run on less demanding hardware. I don't know why you would try to put vista on that old of a machine to be honest. In order for new software to take advantage of new hardware, the cut off for requirements has to happen or everything won't move forward. If you are still running single core machines, look into even the first intel mac or any core 2 and put 2 gb of ram in it (which you can get very cheap) and you shouldn't have any problems. :apple:
 
Also, Windows 7 is "scheduled/rumored" to release in 2010. By that time Snow Leopard will have released and we should be seeing beta builds of OSX.7. :)
 
Nermal said:
For example, most Windows machines don't have horizontal scrolling (or at least didn't a few years ago) so you could reach up to the screen and scroll when you need to. That'll be no different to what I do now: I use my mouse and keyboard most of the time, and reach over to my trackpad to scroll horizontally.
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Microsoft introduced horizontal scrolling to Windows when it launched its Intellimouse line back in the mid to late 90's. I've been using horizontal scrolling (or tilt) since Windows 98.

synth3tik said:
Remember when MS introduced a new file system, yeah we never saw that.
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It's true that the WinFS file system never shipped. But does it matter? Do consumers really want a new file system? I doubt most do. Besides HFS+ dates back to mid 90's.

You can make a list of features for every operating system that never shipped. A few major omissions from Apple include on-the-fly user-created stacks (from applications, files and folders), resolution independence, Star Wars iChat hologram, Notes to iPhone syncing, Fast User switching from Boot Camp and "official" Time Machine support for AirDisk drives attached to the AirPort 802.11n base station from 10.5 Leopard.

In recent history, a feature that was removed at the last minute from 10.3 Panther was "Home on your iPod."
 
bananabar said:
I really want a laptop with a touch screen and I'm sure it's coming - just not from Apple.

...people like Dell and HP are suggesting they have them around the corner.
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Dude, Tablet PC's have been around for years - they're not "coming" or "around the corner."

The reason you don't see many of them around is because although they've been available, they haven't really caught on the way several people thought they would. Might also be why Jobs hasn't rushed into that market with the Mac line - these things have been around for at least 3-4 years and maybe longer, and (not discounting that you want one), there's still not much of a demand for them.
 
Tomorrow said:
Dude, Tablet PC's have been around for years - they're not "coming" or "around the corner."
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Guys, guys. READ the posts before you reply. I have said nothing about a desktop with touchscreen, nor anything about tablet PCs - I'm talking about a laptop with a touchscreen (along with the keyboard, trackpad etc.).

Imagine a MBP but with the addition of a touch-sensitive screen. That's what I want and that's what I think MS and PC manufacturers will soon be releasing.
 
Okay... the most common argument I've been hearing against touch screen computers is that you have to hold your hands up.

I don't see what that has to be the case at all. Sure, monitors have traditionally stood upright, but why not have an iMac that's capable of just lying on a tabletop? Geez, even M$ knew to do that (see the M$ $urface.)

Why does a monitor really need to stand up? What is wrong with it laying down? Sure, in the past with tube TVs that was kind of necessary because they were several inches (maybe even a foot or two,) thick and so wouldn't laying (you wouldn't be able to sit and stare down at it.) But now with the super slim LCDs and stuff, it seems like it's much more plausible.

So yeah... where's the MacTablet?

Edit:
I'm talking about a laptop with a touchscreen (along with the keyboard, trackpad etc.).
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Why would you want a mouse if you had a touch screen?
 
[CAUTION: The following post has nothing to do with touchscreens ...]

On Apple vs. Windows 7 ...

In the runup to the release of a new OS, Apple and Microsoft have usually gotten the better press. The company makes a demo, and the ooh and aah comments start hitting the net. So being "concerned" about Apple's future innovation is a bit premature. Microsoft is almost as good at marketing as Apple, so they're getting the better press right now.

Second, look at each company's track record on delivering new technology. I'd give the edge to Apple (If I didn't, I'd be typing on a Dell right now). Microsoft's "plug and play" was ridiculously oversold when it finally made it into Windows.

So the takeaway is ... appreciate what Microsoft says they're going to provide in Windows 7 but don't hold your breath that it's really as good as the demo.

Wow ... suddenly if felt like 1984 all over again ...

mt
 
bananabar said:
Guys, guys. READ the posts before you reply. I have said nothing about a desktop with touchscreen, nor anything about tablet PCs - I'm talking about a laptop with a touchscreen (along with the keyboard, trackpad etc.).

Imagine a MBP but with the addition of a touch-sensitive screen. That's what I want and that's what I think MS and PC manufacturers will soon be releasing.
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I read your post thoroughly - many tablet PC's DO have keyboards and pointing devices:

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bananabar said:
I really think that in the next few years laptops will have a mousepad, keyboard and touchscreen. And I want one!
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Again, we're already there. I understand you want one made by Apple, but that doesn't change the fact that PC manufacturers are already making them and Microsoft is already producing the OS that runs on them.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
Okay... the most common argument I've been hearing against touch screen computers is that you have to hold your hands up.

I don't see what that has to be the case at all. Sure, monitors have traditionally stood upright, but why not have an iMac that's capable of just lying on a tabletop? Geez, even M$ knew to do that (see the M$ $urface.)

Why does a monitor really need to stand up? What is wrong with it laying down? Sure, in the past with tube TVs that was kind of necessary because they were several inches (maybe even a foot or two,) thick and so wouldn't laying (you wouldn't be able to sit and stare down at it.) But now with the super slim LCDs and stuff, it seems like it's much more plausible.
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I'm wondering why more people isn't questioning stuff like the ergonomics of having a screen laying down. To me, it sounds like it would kill my neck. Then again, I work in front of a screen all day long.
 
cg165 said:
Wow, 1.8 single core. I have a 5 year old desktop that is a 3.0 ghz pentium 4 single core machine. So you thought using extremely old hardware would run something extremely new? Interesting.

You bought a NEW computer that is a single core? How can you call that new? All of the NEW computers are Dual Core and soon (in laptops) will all be QUAD Core. You need a better computer if you plan on running vista. I'm not saying top of the line but at least a core 2 duo.

Windows 7 isn't out yet in case you weren't aware, but it will run on less demanding hardware. I don't know why you would try to put vista on that old of a machine to be honest. In order for new software to take advantage of new hardware, the cut off for requirements has to happen or everything won't move forward. If you are still running single core machines, look into even the first intel mac or any core 2 and put 2 gb of ram in it (which you can get very cheap) and you shouldn't have any problems. :apple:
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i call it new because it came new from best buy with vista installed.
 
jaw04005 said:
"official" Time Machine support for AirDisk drives attached to the AirPort 802.11n base station from 10.5 Leopard.

In recent history, a feature that was removed at the last minute from 10.3 Panther was "Home on your iPod."
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These two features were the ones that many forgot about while they were "Oo-ing" and "Aah-ing" at new updates to OSX. The removal of AirDisk syncing was a big strike against Apple IMO, since it was mentioned but once release many users couldn't understand how to get it to work. Only to find out that Apple removed or never included it at all.

Home on your iPod was supposed to be a nice addition to the OS and steadily growing iPod fan base. It would have been very welcomed, but it wasn't as much of a let down as AirDisk syncing and resolution independence.
 
JonJ said:
I'm wondering why more people isn't questioning stuff like the ergonomics of having a screen laying down. To me, it sounds like it would kill my neck. Then again, I work in front of a screen all day long.
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Did you ever read a textbook in your life?
 
nishishei said:
Did you ever read a textbook in your life?
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Yeah, pen and paper is always done on a desktop too. Straining necks can be an issue though...

oh! I have a solution! Make the screen and the touch sensitive surface separate! You can look forward but rest your palms! Oh, wait, that's right. As always, Apple is ahead of everyone else by having a multitouch trackpad with a screen on their lap tops.

All we need now is for the touch surface that will replace both the mouse and the keyboard.
 
jaw04005 said:
Microsoft introduced horizontal scrolling to Windows when it launched its Intellimouse line back in the mid to late 90's. I've been using horizontal scrolling (or tilt) since Windows 98.
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OK, sure, you can get this functionality with additional hardware. But if you have a plain old mouse like I do at home and work, then you don't have horizontal scrolling. I've never actually seen it on Windows, but then again I don't buy mice with 15 buttons like some people prefer.

I may have made an error when I said "most Windows machines", it's been a while since I've had one!
 
[/QUOTE
Agreed. The glossy screen on the MBP *AND* the new ACD is terrible news for some of the industries that have kept Apple alive throughout the tougher times- namely the pro photography and video industries (that depend on accurate color presentation to be successful). Not having matte as even an option is, in my opinion, quite a disturbing mistake.

Different things work for different people. If you're comfortable using Windows and need a touch screen, I really don't see why you're wasting your time waiting for Apple to put one out for you. Windows (contrary to what many young, ignorant, and/or impetuous users on these forums will tell you) is very good at certain things that OS X is not. The opposite is also true. The bottom line is to weigh what you need against how long you're willing to wait for the "ideal" product to hit the shelves, not to post whiny complaints on the forums.[/QUOTE]

well, apple is still selling the old 17" MBPs. If i were in a pro photo/video industry, i would want the 17" over the 15". also, the old 17"s still have the matte display. We will wait and see if Apple chooses to include a new matte display or an alternate covering on the revised 17" MBPs
 
bananabar said:
Is that allowed? The OS X user agreement is that it can't be installed on a non-Apple device. I don't want to invest in a computer that gets bricked after Apple sue the manufacturers, thanks.
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The Modbook is a MacBook.. so it is a Apple device. Everything's legit about it.

Yes, the new mpbs and mbs are awful imo.. but that does not make anything intriguing about Windows 7 at all. Apple are still very innovative, last I checked. However, their attention seems to be shifting from computers to consumer devices (after all, that's where the money is)

Why make a high-end computer which only a select few purchase.. when you can make a phone with a lower profit margin - but is lusted for by the whole world. Bottom line is more profits for Apple
 
The Modbook looks quite interesting. :)

BTW, Is it just me, or is the keyboard gone, and input is screen only?
 
bananabar said:
Who said anything about a desktop?
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Yes, im not sure why people are focused on desktops, or even laptops. I know that using my mbp in almost any situation is gonna be more ergonomic and easier to use than just a screen.

A market screaming out for a tablet device from apple is netbooks... nothing stretching too far past a 10 inch so its super transportable. It can be you note pad, web browser, ebook reader and just replace so much junk you seem to cary around; basically and Iphone+, which is something i would defiantly buy.

And can anyone convince about all the talk over the net gen track pads including e a display...becuase i just dont get it. Why would i want to look at a trackpad when i have a massive screen in front of me
 
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