Market share and duopoly doesn't really matter with the DMA.
What matter is
- revenue in the EU
- number of (business) users
- market value of the company
- number of EU countries they're in (more than 2)
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Market share and duopoly doesn't really matter with the DMA.
What matter is
And you leave out the part where Chrome is a piggish, data-stealing app that forces websites to comply with Chrome’s own standards. I am forced to use Chrome because my bank’s website doesn’t reliably work with any other browser. Chrome has its own quirks that force websites to comply with because they are the top dog monopoly. I had the same experience when IE was king. Forcing sites to comply with an awful browser isn’t good for anyone. I wouldn’t even have Chrome installed otherwise.
All Europe did was replace one monopoly with another. They’ll topple the 30% company in favor of the 70% company and they’ll call that a win. Then everyone uses Android. Do Europeans really want that, or are the politicians too stupid to know what they’re doing?
That's what Apple is saying. The current implementation isn't secure. Apple doesn't want to use resources to change the architecture to make it secure.
I see. I don’t recall that and I had the OG iPhone. I remember Cydia for jailbroken phones, but wasn’t aware that sort of thing was ever OEM supported. Anyway it’s not important. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
This is not childish, there is this thing called Security and it is very important!
The "Cyber Billionaire expert" of your article literally concludes: "...that the security risks between the two platforms are now “balanced.”
I do. That's why I'm curious where people get their opinions.
But this is fundamental to how business works. You make a purchasing decision against all factors. But acting like you have some moral authority to demand how Apple operates is simply completely outside of how business operates.
Be better than the competition. EU regulation is against parts in which Apple acts as a gatekeeper. If Apple offers good services, people will use Apple's services and software. I would love to have a better way of using CardDAV servers on macOS with the Contacts app. And if Apple could finally fix its PDF engine it would be amazing. The thing is, Apple has currently incentive to innovate or be better than the competition, they are just good enough to keep it users.
(I mean you can't disable the dialpad tones on iOS or set the ring tone to none.)
20 Years ago, Mac OS X was way better than anything else and today it is just slightly better but I'm too used to it to switch. And iOS just works better with macOS than Android does, that is the only reason I'm using an iPhone now. But Apple makes it harder and harder to justify this. And Apple could be amazing but they have no incentive anymore. That is what the DMA is suppose to do.
And it isn't always Apple, the EU doesn't consider iMessage a gatekeeper because it is small player in Europe, you don't really need it. In Europe People are using WhatsApp.
Says Apple, essentially they are admitting to be incompetent. Because it works just fine on macOS. If they can do it on macOS but not iOS I assume they are lying.
I did not leave it out and I agree with you what Chrome is today (mostly). But for most of the existence it was a good force for the development of the Internet.
If banks don't let you use their site with other browsers, it's not Google's fault. That site most likely works fine in other standard compliant browsers. This is just the IT department of your bank being lazy. It has nothing to do with Chrome or Google.
You are totally wrong here. If you take a look on the EU's long term goals and actions you would see this in a context. It's really nothing about controlling foreign companies. It's about gatekeepers. No matter if local or foreign.
You nicely contradicted yourself. GDPR is targeted towards any company working in the EU or selling in the EU. Yes even local companies. No discrimination. And same goes for DSA and DMA and other EU's acts. Hell, EU is known for its crazy green deals which targets itself, the EU countries and EU companies specifically. And these infamous green goals and targets harms EU's economy and EU's companies worldwide competition.
But I understand your toxic view on this. It's pretty common opinion among US public. It's wrong however.
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If the current architecture is insecure, Apple should fix it. Essentially, iOS is an insecure OS.
No, what Apple is saying is this:
The current security and integration architecture for web apps in iOS was built and tested on the assumption that Webkit was the only web browser on iOS. Thus we integrated Webkit tightly into the OS.
Now, Apple has to allow other web browser engines and the assumtions of the security model doesn't hold any longer.
It's not that other browser engines are unsafe, it's iOS, which hasn't been designed to be secure with other browser engines in every way.
So to keep iOS and web apps safe and secure Apple needs to change the security model or just don't support very integrated web apps.
Apple chose the former.
I'm not in the US, never was and most likely never will. I live the EU. I feel these EU legislations EVERY day. And yes they are bad.
It's about gatekeepers. Yes. But because of taxation legislation NO local company could ever get as big as a foreign one. This is not something from recent years, this has been going on for decades now. Why do you think BREXIT was even possible?
No local company would ever become a gatekeeper. Even NOKIA in their glory days wasn't big enough.
The only company that could come close is ASML. But even they aren't considered gatekeepers by the EU.
I’m all for diversity of opinion and I’m very, very far from Apple’s greatest fan these days, but I find it odd that some people seem so emotional about a walled garden approach that Apple has been employing since Noah took sailing lessons.
Why did you guys ever become so invested in an ecosystem that you hated? Asking for a friend
The reason is simple - they are running out of fuel for their “Apple is doomed” narrative.
For years, Apple was positioned as one iPhone update away from implosion. Low market share and sales were paraded around as signs of an incompetent product strategy. Simply put, Apple was framed as being weak and vulnerable; dependent on revenue sources that could disappear overnight due to consumers fleeing to the competition.
Today, that narrative has completely shifted. The critics are now infatuated with Apple’s power, its ironclad grip over the App Store, and the idea that Apple users are stuck or imprisoned in a massive walled garden where things like iMessage, Apple Watches, and AirPods force people to remain within Apple’s walls. Government regulators are viewed as the only entity capable of protecting Apple users from Apple.
They are only as invested as it provides fuel for their criticism.
This is a copout argument, PWA are essentially websites running in a browser. So as long as the browser is secure the PWA is. And every browser runs in a sandbox nowadays.
It is not about taxation, but about market size, for an EU company to become really big, they have to be in 27 markets with almost as many languages and cultures.
Brext wasn't about taxation because the EU doesn't do taxes. You really have no clue about about how the EU works, have you?
They actually are worried about it. They can’t do that much because macOS is so old, the core of which was written long before walled gardens ever existed. If they had the choice of re-doing macOS, they probably would, but the horse has left the barn.
They did add iOS-like security for apps provided by the Mac App Store where apps can sandbox themselves similar to how iOS does it. They are security conscious. They can only do so much without breaking an OS that’s two decades old. Apps assume the lack of a walled garden, so Apple implementing one on macOS would indeed break most existing apps. Things like iOS security can only be done at the OS’es initial inception.
Whether you want to load anything you want to do is purely up to the individual to choose which OS they prefer. For instance, I accidentally clicked on an email that was a phishing scam on my iPad that looked identical to emails I had gotten from the real company. The only way I was able to tell was that I looked at the URLs belatedly after clicking on it. Because of the security built into iPadOS, my iPad was immune to the virus that would have been pushed to my system. If I had opened that email on my Mac, it would have become infected and I would have been forced to restore from an older backup. I was saved from data theft and hours of restore work because I chose wisely. Sure, if you want, you can install anything you want on your Android or Mac. Just be aware that more things can infect your Mac than can infect your iPhone or iPad. There are always tradeoffs, but it’s your personal preference on which side of the security fence you want to be on.
It's not web apps, other browsers or other browser engines which are insecure.
1) When web apps interacts with Webkit, it's secure.
2) When web apps interacts with other browser engines as just browsers, it's secure.
3) When web apps interacts with other browser engines given the same access as Webkit, it's NOT secure.
Apple never planned their security model on there being any other browser engine than Webkit.
1) probably violates the DMA without supporting 3)
2) the easy way out which Apple chose
3) requires resources to re-architect the security architecture and is risky
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I never said that Brexit was about taxes. It was about borders, about the "free" market (tarrifs), about fish, about legislation the UK disagreed with, about control basically.
And the EU doesn't do taxes? Sadly you are very wrong there. They tax member states which tax companies. And "27 markets with as many languages and cultures". Sure but it's one free market. Which should be easier than anywhere else in the world. It's not, though. Since both Asia and North America (Canada incl) are still bigger and better than the EU could ever be. Actually even within Europe, Switzerland has a bigger capita than any of the EU countries. Why is that?
Because you no longer have to have Safari as the only browser..... If you select Google Chrome or FireFox, etc. You will be dealing with "their" browser engine and technology. Not Apple's. So they can't provide the same level of security to the end user or guarantee it, since it's coming from another browser (potentially). Did you not read their reason?
Did you skip the article? It's possible for web sites to engage in cross-site attacks between sites managed within a sandboxed browser, but Apple's has long treated installed web apps as first-class native apps with respect to security concerns.