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Why so long? Just implement the changes on a future iPadOS 17.x before iPadOS 18.0 goes public. No point to waiting until the last moment anymore, and it would be much better PR for Apple. At this point in time with the maturity of iOS 17.5/IPadOS 17.5 likely the easiest time to do it before testing 18's new features.
Because, the EU said that they can take six months. They COULD have said “do it immediately” but they didn’t. Ask the EU why they didn’t. (And ask them why they set a USB-C requirement date as 2024 when Apple was done in 2023).
 
So imagine, if those bad apps infiltrated under Apple's watch, it's going to be much worse now.
At least Apple finally caught up to them and removed the apps and eliminated their developer accounts.
Now's it's going to be open territory.
Your grandpa is going to call you every week in the middle of the night with a virus on his iPad.

How many grandpas are calling with viruses on their MacBook or iMac?

Too much FUD.
 
So imagine, if those bad apps infiltrated under Apple's watch, it's going to be much worse now.
At least Apple finally caught up to them and removed the apps and eliminated their developer accounts.
Now's it's going to be open territory.
Your grandpa is going to call you every week in the middle of the night with a virus on his iPad.
Our old friends, the security researchers, have already defined exploits possible with the current EU requirements. These are exploits that aren’t possible anywhere else. I guess there’s a lot of folks that assume malicious actors would NEVER attack iPhone users in the EU. That’s just not a thing they’d do!
 
Malicious compliance seems the right response to malicious enforcement.

”We have a bunch of quantitative metrics that you don’t violate so we’re holding you in breach of the qualitative one: we don’t like you.”
Enforcement is possible against gatekeepers if they are deemed to "benefit from an entrenched and durable position in their operations or it is foreseeable that they will do so in the near future" (exact wording). So unless Apple provided the EU numbers showing that iPad ownership is declining in the Common Market, "close to the threshold" will probably turn into "over the threshold" soon enough.
 
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Why so long? Just implement the changes on a future iPadOS 17.x before iPadOS 18.0 goes public. No point to waiting until the last moment anymore
There is a great point for Apple:

More time raking those sweet commissions as a monopolist.
And consumers being discouraged from lack of cross-platform purchases in alternative stores.

There’s obviously no technical issue or reason for them to wait as long, considering they’ve implemented it for iOS.
But neither is it a surprise that they would exhaust the time permitted to comply to the maximum.

It’s all about being as anticompetitive as Apple can get away with.
 
And software piracy will skyrocket.
Why? Apple are still notarising apps.
I'm definitely not loading anything from third-party stores.
If you don’t like - don’t use it. 👍🏻

👉 I assume you have and will never, ever load anything from third-party stores on your Mac or PC either? 😂
There’s still no answer to the question what happens to the user when a big app becomes exclusive to a third-party marketplace and no longer receives updates on the App Store?

Will they be forced to unlock third-party stores on their iPhones like on Android? What if they don’t want to? Will the app just stop working? How is that “consumer friendly”?
It’s not.

Then again, it’s no less consumer-friendly than any other developer/app leaving Apple’s App Store cause they don’t like it anymore. Or because Apple don’t like them (e.g. Epic) anymore.
 
I'm genuinely curious as to how Apple is implementing this "circumvention" of their app store and how it'd impact the security (and support) of my device.

Do you use a computer? If you install a rogue app it can indeed be a nuisance, but in the absolute worst scenario you would just need to reinstall its OS and software from scratch. In no way will this affect your hardware warranty.
 
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Enforcement is possible against gatekeepers if they are deemed to "benefit from an entrenched and durable position in their operations or it is foreseeable that they will do so in the near future" (exact wording). So unless Apple provided the EU numbers showing that iPad ownership is declining in the Common Market, "close to the threshold" will probably turn into "over the threshold" soon enough.
It really wouldn’t matter. It’s not about the threshold, it’s just that it’s what they want. And, they know that no EU company will ever meet that threshold because they simply are incapable of producing anything popular in tech.
 
Enforcement is possible against gatekeepers if they are deemed to "benefit from an entrenched and durable position in their operations or it is foreseeable that they will do so in the near future" (exact wording). So unless Apple provided the EU numbers showing that iPad ownership is declining in the Common Market, "close to the threshold" will probably turn into "over the threshold" soon enough.

Foreseeable? They're enlisting the services of precogs now?

As I said, this is arbitrary human or political opinion rather than an actual metric to measure by. If "near future" is the guideline, then the only reason not to wait for that imminent future is suspicion that it won't arrive. Likewise regulating benefit from a durable position is just an attack on success, not a mitigation of harm.

DMA is not a monopoly or anti-trust law that needs to demonstrate consumer harm so it used to be supported as being a basic threshold test on the assumption that big was bad. Now it's not even that, it's just someone saying they don't like the look of you.

Populism run amok.
 
Not to mention the malicious enforcement you refer to occurred after Apple decided not to make the same changes for iPadOS. You can't respond to something that hasn't happened yet, otherwise it's not a response.

Everything about the DMA is malicious clearly evidenced by the overreliance on competitors statements. This coloring outside the lines to pick up iPadOS is just more of the same.
 
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When I had an Android phone 11 years ago I had to go into the settings to allow apps to be installed outside of the Play Store.

Has that been removed?

When you try to install an app and that hasn't been switched to install from third party sources, it'll provide a direct link to the setting in question when ran.
 
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It’s up to American lawmakers to do it.

The dominoes won’t be falling unless the U.S. (and possibly a couple of other developed markets, e.g. Japan and the U.K.) enact similar legislatio.
I'm not personally advocating for legislation, as I am not a "the government is the answer" type person. I just think Apple as a business needs to let us put the software that we want on the computer in our pocket (and iPad and Vision etc. as well).

There are implementations that won't affect those that don't want it. That's been my big argument/stance from the beginning.

Users could simply have that turned off, and only use the app store. And let users like me, who are not the "average" user (aka I'm a huge nerd), turn it on if they want and download apps straight from the web or alternative stores.

Seems like this may be the biggest topic for the last decade that people have big, differing opinions on.

And yes, I know people will point out that doing this will affect everyone because developers will leave the app store, and people will be "forced" into this because they will have to embrace it to get the apps they need to use.

Well, if that is the case, then it proves that Apple's implementation isn't the best, and alternatives are better. Apple will be forced to innovate or change to address that, and they will want to so that developers do continue to use them.

So I'd argue it will ultimately be a win for consumers but bring on the dislikes and whatever else.
 
iOS devices have (technically) allowed for the installation of “sideloaded” third-party apps from non-App-Store sources - e.g. downloaded from any web site - for many years.

Apple still reserve the right to sign and review third-party apps.

Installation of third-party apps was never a reason to void your (hardware) warranty - but if something went wrong, you couldn’t demand Apple to support you either (beyond a software restore).
if by that you mean you can compile and sign yourself and then have to do load it up again every 7 days then sure, but it's a massive PITA
 
Foreseeable? They're enlisting the services of precogs now?

As I said, this is arbitrary human or political opinion rather than an actual metric to measure by. If "near future" is the guideline, then the only reason not to wait for that imminent future is suspicion that it won't arrive. Likewise regulating benefit from a durable position is just an attack on success, not a mitigation of harm.

DMA is not a monopoly or anti-trust law that needs to demonstrate consumer harm so it used to be supported as being a basic threshold test on the assumption that big was bad. Now it's not even that, it's just someone saying they don't like the look of you.

Populism run amok.
It doesn’t even increase competition because, by my count, there are the same number of mobileOS vendors prior to DMA as there is after. And, there’s nothing in the DMA that makes a new one likely… actually it will make new competition more UNlikely. What if there were a sizable number of folks that didn’t like how locked down Apple was, but wasn’t quite happy with Android? Prior to recently, there was a wide open gap that, apparently, no one was servicing which could have meant that a properly funded competitor could have arisen in the EU that would have driven Google and Apple to change because there actually existed something better. Something with a feature set that the rest of the world might have preferred as well?

But, it’s that lack of imagination by EU regulators (or maybe their understanding of the reality of the EU’s lack of position in any worldwide tech phenomenon?) that have driven them to see the only solution as “make sure more iPhones are sold in the EU”. It’s popular to laugh at Humane and Rabbit right now, but at least they’re trying to do something different rather than piggyback on someone else’s vision of what mobile tech should be. Even if both end up as abject failures, they’ll have done more for advancing tech (instead of doubling down on the status quo) than the EU’s apparently capable of.
 
I wonder if Apple will roll this out globally for iOS 18, if only to get ahead of the DoJ lawsuit?
 
Well, if that is the case, then it proves that Apple's implementation isn't the best, and alternatives are better. Apple will be forced to innovate or change to address that, and they will want to so that developers do continue to use them.
No, that’ll prove that those developer’s implementation isn’t the best. I mean, they’re free to create their own hardware platform and OS and show Apple “how it’s done”, but there’s apparently not a developer/publisher complaining about the Apple’s system that has the ability to even remotely approach Apple’s implementation.
 
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I wonder if Apple will roll this out globally for iOS 18, if only to get ahead of the DoJ lawsuit?

Nah, Apple will kick and scream before submitting. Look at how it went down with Qualcomm. The $1B budget Apple has for their legal team needs to justify their existence.
 
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