Apple confirms iPhone X video playback does not show notch

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  1. Peter K. macrumors 6502a

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    It is actually 5.15 inches.
     
  2. Apple blogger macrumors 6502a

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    Smart designing right? Jony Ive knows how to mess with your mind!
     
  3. redpandadev macrumors regular

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    I don't think it means that at all. "Points" ≠ "Pixels" ≠ "Inches/MM" just because the X has the same number of points in width as the 6/7/8 does not mean it measures that same physical dimensions. The iOS UI has a scale factor to account for that.

    https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions
    https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/iphone-x-screen-demystified

    so the ratio of points to inches is different (@3x) on the X than it is on the 6/7/8 (2x). Someone smarter than me can use all that to do the math.
     
  4. robertopod1968 macrumors member

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    To edge to almost all of the other edge display. Lol.
     
  5. Nisaja, Sep 17, 2017
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    Nisaja macrumors 6502a

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    There is an option for the video to crop to fit. Saw it on a 9to5 Mac demo.

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    My question is, even when the video is not cropped, there's still usable space on the bottom of the phone. They've could've made it a bit bigger and left only the top notch out. It's as if apple wanted the video to be "centered" on the phone. Sadly, that results in a smaller image.
     
  6. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    It's to maintain the aspect ratio. Most movies are 16:9 but some use different ratios. If you want to fill every pixel you will distort the film by stretching or compressing it. Everything will look distorted. Ever see an old TV show recoded in 4:3 fill a 16:9 TV? It looks terrible. The alternative is to add pillar bars or letter boxing.
     
  7. tkermit macrumors 68040

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    I think he means something like this, where the video would not be fullscreen but would still fill a larger area without any cropping by having asymmetric left and right borders.

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  8. iScone macrumors 6502

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    We now know that you don't have to 'zoom in'. That's the default. If you want to change it, you zoom out, and why would you do that? Forget the notch, the aspect ratio would be all wrong.

    The width of the X (2.79") is wider than that of the 8 (2.65").

    I think the quote you keep posting relates to the visible display in portrait mode: https://developer.apple.com/ios/human-interface-guidelines/images/OV_47_Cropped.svg

    The blue represents the visible area in portrait mode when cropped for aspect ratio. Vertically, the pinkish areas will be seen as well. The majority of extra space on the screen is vertical, yes, but they have added a fraction to the width as well.
     
  9. Nisaja macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah, that's exactly what I meant! Had a small typo on my previous post. My bad.

    This would've been much better! The image won't be centered, but it'll be bigger! That's a plus!
     
  10. Mr.Blacky macrumors 6502

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    Please can someone explain to me, why its okay lose a good chunk from the movie on top and botton, but a tiny, little notch on the side is an absolutly no-go?
     
  11. narr macrumors member

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    Because the notch is hiding (!) content of the video (or a photo), which to me is unacceptable.
     
  12. jsmith189 macrumors 68000

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    But content is being hidden when viewed full screen anyway - I think that was the point. If "MY CONTENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART" really is the most important part, why are you zooming the content to full screen knowing it's cropping your video lol.
     
  13. Sam_S macrumors 6502

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    Certainly not a fan of the notch in video playback
     
  14. throAU macrumors 603

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    so those videos where it was covering the video during the keynote don't exist. right...
     
  15. Zune55 macrumors 6502a

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    I agree with you when i play YouTube videos on s8+ then there are 2 black bars on left and right which makes me feel its not the full use of the screen but then when i crop the video both left and right bar goes away and then the real beautiful edge to edge can be seen. When i play some YouTube videos it adjust to the s8+ screen size automatically and the message appears on the screen "automatically adjusted to fit screen" this adjustment is not cropping its actually the full use of the screen i guess implemented by google specially for s8+. Check this video in YouTube and play it on s8+ then you will know what i am talking about:



    You can also crop or use original size video on this adjusted screen.
     
  16. tfredvik, Sep 18, 2017
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    #41
    I've posted this in another thread as well, but I guess a re-posting is in order. Playing with the numbers on these two pages, I've created an illustration of the different display sizes. I must admit that I find this a bit confusing, but if I understand this correctly, the iPhone 8 Plus has a larger display area than the X, both when measured in square cm/square inches and in "square points". However, the pixel count is greater for the X than for the 8 Plus, and I assume that means that the X will show more detailed photos?

    Note that these numbers are for full-screen, not for the safe areas – I've not subtracted the status bar or the home bar area of the X. Taking these areas into account, the numbers for the X would all be worse.

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    EDIT: updated illustration due to typo in iPhone X points
     
  17. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    For the majority of the movies out there the notch is a non issue. Assuming you are watching a movie recorded in a 16:9 ratio. Another way of defining 16:9 is the HD resolution of 1920x1080 (or 1080p) (1080i, 720p and even 4k exist but for the majority of films this is the resolution.) This just happens to be the same resolution of the iPhone Plus series. The only Phone in Apples lineup that you can watch a video edge to edge without getting some distortion or loss in video resolution.

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    Here you can see the screen of the iPhone 8 Plus (1920 x 1080 or 1080p) in comparison to the higher resolution iPhone X. At 1125 pixels. The iPhone X has a few pixels to spare across the top and bottom. Probably just enough to eliminate any edge distortion caused by the curvature of the glass screen along the edge.

    Forcing a movie to fill the screen can only be accomplished by two methods.

    1. Stretch the video to fill the screen horizontally. This can be done another of ways but all of them require smearing the left and right edge causing it to look distorted similar to stretched out silly putty
    2. Zoom the video so the left and right edge of the film meet the left and right edges of the display (with or without the notch.
    Zooming the screen in either case will cause you to loose some of the top and bottom of the movie. If it was full frame (4:3) like an old tv show you will only be left with narrow strip of the original video. Here are some of the ways you guys have recommended using the whole screen you will see that when it comes to 16:9 video they ALL cut off the edges in some way.

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  18. Mr.Blacky macrumors 6502

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    You're hiding much more of a video anyway if you go full screen!:rolleyes:
     
  19. narr, Sep 18, 2017
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    Yes, but in the case of the iPhone X you will also see a black notch overlapping a part of the video. It's far more distracting than black borders. It concerns me even more when it comes to viewing photos in which case there will always be the notch overlapping a part of a carefully framed photograph afaik. Same goes for games and apps. And having white bars on Safari to left and right in landscape is a horrible UI experience and it also limits the viewing area. Also, when zooming out on a video, the actual area becomes even smaller than on the 8 Plus! Same goes for the horrible line at the bottom indicating the home swipe. When looking at webpages in portrait mode, the black bar is overlapping the content. Not very pleasing to the eye. Also, I can't even imagine how often it will happen by accident that you get send to homescreen when all you wanted to do is to scroll down the webpage by swiping up from the bottom.
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    Re how photos will look on iPhone X, check out this article on 9to5Mac: https://www.google.at/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2017/09/14/iphone-x-notch-photos-video/amp/
     
  20. tfredvik macrumors member

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    #45
    That's quite a bold statement in a thread with subject "Apple confirms iPhone X video playback does not show notch"...

    If you watch a 1920x1080 movie on the iPhone X without zooming in, the notch will not show.

    Also take a look at this illustration: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ne-8-plus-screen.2068501/page-3#post-25052174

    EDIT: sorry, I see now that I took your claim out of context.
     
  21. DNichter macrumors G3

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    Non issue for me. Love the size of the screen on the X and appreciate the different zoom options for video.
     
  22. narr macrumors member

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    Different zoom options? There is only one option besides the default notchless but reduced view area, which is the option to zoom in and than have a notch covering a part of the fullscreen video that also gets cut to the left and right. Lovely.
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    I just ordered an iPhone 8 Plus, can't get over the notch (and I am also not sure about that FaceID)...a shame as I was ready to pay the extra for the X.
     
  23. DNichter macrumors G3

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    Yes, by default, you don’t see the notch unless you double tap to fill the screen. Same as it is now.
     
  24. narr macrumors member

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    Read my reply again. Thank you.
     
  25. Vermifuge macrumors 68000

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    Even when not zoomed the iPhone X has a larger screen for viewing videos than the standard iPhone. it falls in the middle between the 8 / 8 Plus at 5" on the diagonal vs 4.7" / 5.5" for the standard and plus respectively.
     

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