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Most of us do as it was obvious even before 7,1 then that the transition to AS was already well underway.

IMO the new tower redesign, while beautiful was an overall abomination compared to all the cool things we were doing with the cheese grater classics.
No, it wasn’t. That’s just pretending in hindsight what you didn’t actually know at the time.

The 7,1 was a wonderful machine. AS burnt it’s potential, but it’s potential was equally burnt by intel, who changed the form factor of Xeon chips with very little notice.

As it is, the 7,1 is still a very cabs me machine. The only issue with it as a workhorse is the power consumption.

And I don’t own one, (but I did and still do own a 5,1) so I’ve no need to promote it. Except for the fact it was probably it had the best case design and air cooling system made by Apple or anyone else.

It’s goddam beautiful once you take the outer case off. It was beautiful because it was well designed. It very much was a worthy successor to the 5,1
 
A market of like 10 customers compared to the millions of AI developers...
I see the pre-teens have arrived.

It’s worth mentioning that a hell a lot of people feel that music has had a profound impact on their lives.

AI produces slop and pushes up the prices of computer components to ridiculous levels.

I think I’m on the side of the music producers here.
 
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No, it wasn’t. That’s just pretending in hindsight what you didn’t actually know at the time.

The 7,1 was a wonderful machine. AS burnt it’s potential, but it’s potential was equally burnt by intel, who changed fir firm factor if Xeon chips with very little notice.

As it is, the 7,1 is still a very cabs me machine. The only issue with it as a workhorse is the power consumption.

And I don’t own one, (but I did and still do own a 5,1) so I’ve no need to promote it. Except for the fact it was probably it had the best case design and air cooling system made by Apple or anyone else.

It’s goddam beautiful once you take the outer case off.
Apple Silicon rumors were already floating around as early as 2011. By 2018 there were already rumors of a 2020 launch which proved to be accurate.

The design of the last Mac Pro is beautiful following the trash can disaster, but it was somewhat of an homage to an era that Apple left behind in 2012 the way I see it.

edit: here is something on this very website back in 2014:
 
Just a reminder of how cheap that actually is: the SE/30 I have sitting on my desk, when new in 1989, cost $6,500, base. Adjusted for inflation that’s a whopping $17,500 today
More context.
Im 1989, the average car price in the USA was $17,500. You could buy new economy cars for the price of that SE/30.

In 2025, the average car price was $48,500. Economy cars are in the $20ks.
 
Apple Silicon rumors were already floating around as early as 2011. By 2018 there were already rumors of a 2020 launch which proved to be accurate.

The design of the last Mac Pro is beautiful following the trash can disaster, but it was somewhat of an homage to an era that Apple left behind in 2012 the way I see it.

edit: here is something on this very website back in 2014:
Yes, rumours. We knew how rumours go on this site. You don’t refuse to invest in hardware you need for your business ess based on rumours 9n what might appear at some point in the next few years.

The 7,1 was a lovely, well designed and very good machine. Sorry that doesn’t fit you narrative of “the Mac Pro was worthless from 2013, whiten the trashcan was released” Which is the jist of your original post.
 
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I’ve never owned one. I’ve never used one. I can’t remember the last time I even saw one. And I completely understand why they did this.

But to those of us from the PowerPC days…the AltiVec days…it’s hard to think of Apple without a flagship full-size desktop. It’ll take some getting used to.

For my part, I’m still sad and I still want one. 🥲
 
The only selling point of the Mac Pro is PCIe expansion slots. Those enable expandability and compatibility, but Apple Silicon and newer versions of macOS kills compatibility (older expansion cards drivers may not work on new OS), and that kills the only reason of keeping Mac Pro.
 
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Meh.

Motorola 68K-> PPC -> intel -> AS -> a newer type of chip architecture

Saying that AS is a dead-end is not a “gotcha”, it’s just the cycle that’s repeatmg

Te huge difference now is simply that Apple are now big enough to own whatever architecture they use, rather than buying it.

Of course there’s be new architecture at some point. That’s not a dramatic disaster, that’s just life.
Never said it was a disaster. It’s just Apple doesn’t seem to see that it’s ALREADY hitting limits.

Even PowerPC had more exponential potential from when they entered at the 601 and when they exited at the G5.

They started with Intel with the Core architecture and by the time AS came around the Intels were exponentially faster than the original.

But compare single core performance of the M1 to the M5. Most of the gains are in multicore because there are more cores, and gpus, which could have been accomplished with better off chip solutions from others.

Power per watt is fine, but if you actually want power per dollar and have lots of dollars, the M series falls apart.
 
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Still using a 2019 Intel Mac Pro rack with two Avid HDX cards, two UAD Octo cards and an 8TB M.2 SSD PCI raid. The Mac Studio with an external chassis that’s in my not so distant future will not be a cool looking, well designed or quiet. View attachment 2617256

Apple is likely to assert that "external expansion" is a matter of perspective.

Solutions like Sonnet Technology's xMac Studio puts the whole entire Studio inside of their 'container'. The cards are outside the Apple container, but could be insider the container it is 'wrapped' in.



[ technically these have an external TBv4/5 connection from the modular expansion subsystem to the Mac Studio , but if just designed a variant so there was just fixed slots inside it would trade that modular for less wires outside.

If there is zero Mac Pro competition, I suspect some vendor (perhaps not Sonnet) will make something with 2-4 PCI-e v4 slots and no wires outside the box ( 1 or 2 securely routed TB cables inside. The Avid cards above as AUX power so not much of wire increase there inside. This particular usecase won't get completely covered but others storage+audio , storage+1-video , etc. will.
 
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Yeah, but people seem to think this means Apple Silicon is so amazing, but it's actually because Apple Silicon is inflexible. The kind of buyer who'd spend a lot on a Mac Pro also wants to be able to upgrade their RAM and GPU. Plus the Mac Pro wasn't beating PCs of the same price point on speed

Apple Silicon is very fast for the performance and heat generated but it can be beaten by super hot CPUs by other companies and Apple didn't invest in making up for that. It was guaranteed to fail on the market due to Apple's inability to compete
Apple Silicon is a laptop platform. Everything altogether all at once.
Having to decide now what a very expensive desktop or tower machine will ever need without ever being able to improve it after you buy it.

That Apple hasn’t come up with a way to make the AS architecture modular without just fusing 2 together after 5 years means they never had a plan.
 
I just watched Steve Jobs present the Mac Pro on YT and felt bad that I missed out. I already feel bad for missing out on the Mac for so long, but that one hit me... and I didn't even have one. I believe some random comment said it best: "Steve could sell you sand in the desert." End of an era for Apple, but a new chapter too.
 
It is sad, but since Apple would never allow or find a way to use real video cards in the Pro, the slots were mostly useless. The M series chips are amazing, if we could only take advantage of nvidia off the shelf cards as well, we’d have the perfect desktop. I hate that to this day I still have to keep a windows computer around just for gaming. Back in the day with the Intel Mac pros I was able to upgrade and put high power graphics cards in those and for a while had the dream of one system, Mac and gaming all in one. I miss those days.

M4 max studio with the 40 core you is actually pretty decent, unless you’ve got games that just don’t work in crossover
 
the only reason they hadn't discontinued it before now was it ticked the "made/assembled in the USA" box they needed to tick… now a percentage of Mac Minis will tick that box instead.
There is no such thing as “tick[ing] the ‘made/assembled in the USA’ box.”

In the USA, we CHECK boxes. A tick is a parasitic arachnid, a unit of time equivalent to 100 nanoseconds, and a form of onomatopoeia describing the sound a small clock makes. Nothing about writing symbols in boxes.
 
They couldn’t get “extreme” M chips to work well enough to get enough viable fused chips, simple as that.
And Extreme lineup was going to be exclusively on Mac Pros because of how much heat and power chip has. But with Extreme chip lineup now shelves forever, it made no sense for Apple to maintain the Mac Pro lineup.

They may revisit the Extreme chip lineup in future but by then, chip technology would likely be improved enough that Apple can put the chip in Mac Studio chassis with no issues at all. Hence they killed the lineup.

Which also means sadly, Pro Display XDR lineup is officially dead as well. There was rumor that Apple was developing even higher end display for pros that demand the most but with Mac Pro dead, that seems unlikely.

But you can’t call Mac Studio a pro device. It’s BYODKM. If you want the pros to use it, include a keyboard and a mouse with purchase. This ain’t Mac Mini. Pros expect to have keyboard and mouse to come with the computer.
 
I also did Mac Pros (IIs, Quadras, PowerMacs, etc.) all the way to the 2013 (trashcan) and jumped to an iMac Pro which I loved and felt was the spiritual successor to the SE/30 which was my favorite Mac ever, but I saw the writing on the wall when my first-gen M1 MacBook Pro dusted it in every metric relevant to my needs, and it’s been in a box ever since. My studio, first an M1U and now an M3U, is just a solid beast. I sense the symbolic loss of the Mac Pro, but I don’t feel I’ve lost anything in terms of power or capabilities. It’s simply the fading of legacy paradigms that are finally disappearing across the entire industry. For better or worse, it’s a new era, and I’m quite excited about it.
I owned the iMac with the Core2Extreme and it was an amazing machine. But of course you could upgrade memory and HD as it aged and demands increased, which I did.
 
This is disappointing. Hopefully they will reconsider at some point in the future. I think they ought to offer a Mac Pro with one of the AI server chips they are rumored to be developing for in-house use.

Apple AI servers have no video out on them at all. Zero. Pretty good chance any AI server purpose built chip will dump the display engines and substantive parts of generic I/O to add more "AI compute" , bandwidth for AI compute, and data center networking. In short, the Display controllers, portions of PCI-e ( bluetooth wifi ... not) , and all of the thunberbolt would get swapped out stuff to make the PCC OS AI computations go faster.

At it is core the Mac Pro is a single user workstation with a Display(s) attached to primarily to run a GUI interface. The AI servers have no GUI interface. Don't even have macOS; PCC OS is a stripped down iOS with a extremely narrow macOS augments to run the workload (not the GUI stack ).

Something hyper custom to the datacenter would not be useful as a Mac Pro.
 
Never said it was a disaster. It’s just Apple doesn’t seem to see that it’s ALREADY hitting limits.

Even PowerPC had more exponential potential from when they entered at the 601 and when they exited at the G5.

They started with Intel with the Core architecture and by the time AS came around the Intels were exponentially faster than the original.

But compare single core performance of the M1 to the M5. Most of the gains are in multicore because there are more cores, and gpus, which could have been accomplished with better off chip solutions from others.

Power per watt is fine, but if you actually want power per dollar and have lots of dollars, the M series falls apart.
Well, they stopped chasing the “very” high-end, that’s true. At their upper-end they making high-end consumer laptops and decent (but extremely high end) workstations, but they’ve given up on enterprise level equipment across the board.

But realistically, their biggest selling product by a long shot is a smartphone - consumer level is what they do now, it’s just that these days consumer-level technology is very powerful, and far more powerful then their previous enterprise level technology. Mid-range to high-range consumer tech has made Apple rich, so you can’t blame them for focusing on that rather than “proper” high-end enterprise tech.

I think nvidia is in a much more precarious position, focusing over 9O% of their production on extremely high-end chips and related equipment to serve a single purpose, an industry and technology that doesn’t actually make any profit, but is covering running costs through investment rounds, again and again.

As for AS reaching its limit, maybe, but it’s already been more long-lived than PPC in terms of hav8 h yet to peak. Even if the performance does peak in the next year to three years, that’s still respectable enough compared to the previous chip architectures they’ve used.

I think that’s part of the cycle, and this is the fourth iteration of that cycle. Either they’d manage the transition to a new cycle well, or they won’t. But they’re in a better position than in previous cycles, as now they are rich enough and big enough to just buy a new chip technology outright when performance improvements with AS starts hitting the wall.

That AS will, at some point, inevitably hit its limit, doesn’t mean catastrophe. It just means changing up again.
 
And Extreme lineup was going to be exclusively on Mac Pros because of how much heat and power chip has. But with Extreme chip lineup now shelves forever, it made no sense for Apple to maintain the Mac Pro lineup.

They may revisit the Extreme chip lineup in future but by then, chip technology would likely be improved enough that Apple can put the chip in Mac Studio chassis with no issues at all. Hence they killed the lineup.

Future fab tech would more likely just enable more compute in the same aggregate die area that they are using now for Max/Ultra. Probably not going to shrink the dies smaller and they be able to group four sets of them in same space.

There are no die shots of the M5 Pro / Max but a very good chance they are not any smaller once the two dies are composed than they were before. N2 , A16 , etc. smaller stuff is probably going to pack more 'punch' into about the same size dies as they are currently using at M5 stage.

What going to get is a 'Ultra" that delivers 'Extreme' like speeds if the previous generations had one. There never was going to be an 'Extreme'. The rumors datacenter version likely wasn't an "extreme" approach either. Apple's approach was putting lots of SoCs inside a server drawer , not fewer of the biggers possible ones.
 
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