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TekAdvice: You are one of those people who can never admit a mistake and therefore have no intellectual integrity. Best thing you can do is admit error without dissembling and beg a thousand pardons from everyone here.
Why are you getting involved in this? This is not your argument! You are one of those people who feel as if they have to prove something or they will feel meaningless. I'm sorry you have this problem. These two users worked out their problems already. Let it go yourself! You are just trying to start up another fight and keep this insanity going on forever. Learn to let things go. You don't have to comment on everything you see! Not everyone wants to hear your opinion believe it or not.
 
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No, not even that. I don't have any passwords, no security-risk information, no social network accounts,... and no permanent Internet connection either: I switch off Airport whenever I quit Safari (and I never connect through ethernet cable). Sorry to disappoint your "bot net", but I never liked how Internet works, so my doors are not wide open to Internet. I selectively turn Internet on when really need to look for something, and then switch it off again.
Your account here could arguably be considered social. In fact, most malware is interested in your data, not your computer.

What type of workload do you have that makes you believe patching would undermine the performance?
 
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So let me get this straight. I have to update my iPhone 7+ to iOS 11 to get this fix and at the same time my iPhone will purposely be slowed down or remain on iOS 10 with this vulnerability and have the fastest user experience.
 
You can upgrade to High Sierra. The disk's format just won't be changed.

You can update. High Sierra works fine (well, no worse) on machines with spinning drives. You may be better off, since there are still some wrinkles with AFS.
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So let me get this straight. I have to update my iPhone 7+ to iOS 11 to get this fix and at the same time my iPhone will purposely be slowed down or remain on iOS 10 with this vulnerability and have the fastest user experience.

It’s not “purposely slows down.” That’s a side effect. But the speed difference on an iPhone should be negligible. Just don’t jailbreak.
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What type of workload do you have that makes you believe patching would undermine the performance?

He uses it to write newsletters for the Ted Kaczynski fan club :)
 
You’ve got to be kidding.
You use words incorrectly, then deny using them, then and get mad when people don’t understand?

The fault is entirely yours. If you meant manufacture you should have said manufacture, but you repeatedly said design. This isn’t a typo or grammar thing. It’s just blatant misuse of the words.
You also should let this go. There is no need to keep these mindless arguments going on for eternity. That user apologized for his potentially inaccurate wording, why can't you let it go at that. Just end this ridiculousness! And put it to rest! Maybe I'm not a genius when it comes to computers, but I know how life works, and this ain't going nowhere.
 
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So let me get this straight. I have to update my iPhone 7+ to iOS 11 to get this fix and at the same time my iPhone will purposely be slowed down or remain on iOS 10 with this vulnerability and have the fastest user experience.
Yes, if there is no iOS 10.3.4 next week. Stop this "purposely slowed down".
Update your device and do not complain. Those "I will stay on iOS xxx" It is enough! Get hacked or update!
 
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You can upgrade to High Sierra. The disk's format just won't be changed.

Thank you for confirming that.

Forgot to mention: am not sure my aging Airport Extreme will work with High Sierra, I tried upgrading to later versions of Sierra and I lost internet access for the house which is a necessity. I also tried connecting a mesh wifi system to it and that did not work either.) Will have to get both when I am ready to buy another Mac (not for at least 12-18 months if things stay put.)
 
Thank you for confirming that.

Forgot to mention: am not sure my aging Airport Extreme will work with High Sierra, I tried upgrading to later versions of Sierra and I lost internet access for the house which is a necessity. I also tried connecting a mesh wifi system to it and that did not work either.) Will have to get both when I am ready to buy another Mac (not for at least 12-18 months if things stay put.)

The os should work fine with any AirPort Extreme. Something else must be going on.

In my house I have four airports set up, ranging in generation from ancient to “most recent.” No connectivity problems with high Sierra as I move from room to room.
 
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Thank you for confirming that.

Forgot to mention: am not sure my aging Airport Extreme will work with High Sierra, I tried upgrading to later versions of Sierra and I lost internet access for the house which is a necessity. I also tried connecting a mesh wifi system to it and that did not work either.) Will have to get both when I am ready to buy another Mac (not for at least 12-18 months if things stay put.)
There are no compatibility issues with High Sierra and Airports of any age.
 
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The os should work fine with any AirPort Extreme. Something else must be going on.

In my house I have four airports set up, ranging in generation from ancient to “most recent.” No connectivity problems with high Sierra as I move from room to room.

I am not sure what is up, but I've had to erase and restore this iMac multiple times over the last 18 months. Probably some kind of corruption due to an old back up or something.

Thanks for responding.

@chrfr - thanks.
 
All this is causing confusion with my elderly friend who uses a MBP 2008. He wants me to fix his computer so it's not vulnerable. I told him Apple may force him to buy another computer in order to be secure. He is running El Capitan so that has some of the fixes.

I'm in the same boat with an old friend and curmudgeon of a university professor. He has various programs he absolutely will not part ways with that only run on MacOS 10.6.

I'm currently in the process of testing VirtualBox and Parallels as guest OS environments to sandbox a version of 10.6 to run those old programs. Running in parallel are my attempts to get him to move everything else he can up to at least El Capitan. But his home Mac Pro (tower) 2009 still runs just fine in terms of physical operation.

Both he and I are unhappy with the way Apple has been treating older machines and OSes. Especially when a Windows machine that old is getting at least a Windows 7 fix rolled out to it.
 
So for those like myself who still use iPad 2, does this mean the vulnerability will not be addressed?

Apple should be patching iOS 9. They were selling the iPad Mini 1 and iPod Touch 5 well into the middle/end of 2015. I doubt it will happen. There are a lot of iPad 2's in my family!
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I'm on the same boat.

Me as well. iOS 11 is bad enough on my Pro 10.5, Not letting it near my SE.
 
So for those like myself who still use iPad 2, does this mean the vulnerability will not be addressed?

Can't seem to find any information online nor can I find anything about the unsupported OS Yosemite. According to a security expert on Bloomberg the two biggest threats to the average computer user (from Meltdown & Spectre) are one in which a person needs physical access to your computer and the other being a broswer exploit.

So if and when Apple updates Safari, does this mean that the only major threat from this chip vulnerability will be if an attacker can gain access to your physical device?
 
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The main problem here is that companies have succeeded in their quest for changing who controls the computer, and, in other words, who really owns it. In the past, the computer was yours, and you decided what to do with it, and when/if to update (the Mac was one of the best examples of "my computer under my control").

Today, the World wants that the computer isn't yours anymore. Like if you must apply any patches even if you don't want to. Like if you are against the society, an offsider, a public enemy, if you don't obey.

Personally, I'm going to do my best so that my Macs are not patched (as I cannot sacrifice even a 1% of performance, and I don't have any security-risk from the data I have in my computers), but, of course, I take it for granted that it's not going to be easy to keep my Macs unpatched (except my Snow Leopard MacBook Air... the best Mac I have right now, as it's the one Apple controls less and I "own it more than Apple does").
I can't help but think that Timmy is rubbing his hands in glee with all this playing into their hands.
All the nagging, trickery/deceit, and enforced prohibition against any but the latest iOS version couldn't drive people to accept the crippled usability, but now there's probably a drastic spike driven by such a potentially large security issue...
Obviously it's absolutely appalling that Apple don't provide basic fixes for (or allow installation of) even the most recent previous iOS iteration, and of course the crippling of both software and hardware in the current/latest.
 
I can't help but think that Timmy is rubbing his hands in glee with all this playing into their hands.
All the nagging, trickery/deceit, and enforced prohibition against any but the latest iOS version couldn't drive people to accept the crippled usability, but now there's probably a drastic spike driven by such a potentially large security issue...
Obviously it's absolutely appalling that Apple don't provide basic fixes for (or allow installation of) even the most recent previous iOS iteration, and of course the crippling of both software and hardware in the current/latest.
Tim. Don’t be disrespectful.
 
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Spectre on my High Sierra. Latest version from App Store with updates.
3.3 GHz Core i5

char * secret = "The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.";

Version from here works 100% on MacOS

https://github.com/crozone/SpectrePoC

spectre.jpg


I tested myself because I did not believe it that is Spectre bug unifixable.


Here is a gallery in comments where Spectre 2 works .
With or without patches (all possible operating systems) :

https://gist.github.com/ErikAugust/724d4a969fb2c6ae1bbd7b2a9e3d4bb6

My deepest condolences to Intel.
 
Spectre on my High Sierra. Latest version from App Store with updates.
3.3 GHz Core i5

char * secret = "The Magic Words are Squeamish Ossifrage.";

Version from here works 100% on MacOS

https://github.com/crozone/SpectrePoC

View attachment 745738

I tested myself because I did not believe it that is Spectre bug unifixable.


Here is a gallery in comments where Spectre 2 works .
With or without patches (all possible operating systems) :

https://gist.github.com/ErikAugust/724d4a969fb2c6ae1bbd7b2a9e3d4bb6

My deepest condolences to Intel.
Yep.
 
The question looming here is, will those MacOS patches be backported to Sierra down to Mavericks, or even if supported, Mountain Lion? We already know that previous versions of iOS and tvOS are not going to have this patch, so they're stuck.. but what of MacOS?

BL.
Sierra and El Capitan will receive fixes. Anything older (including Yosemite) will not.
 
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My deepest condolences to Intel.

Yeah, the more I realize the impact of this, it could kill Intel. Is Intel “too big to fail”?

This suggests to me that anyone that was thinking of buying a new computer or phone should now wait until this bug is properly fixed in hardware. So, no hardware sales for Apple in 2018 for any of their products.[/QUOTE]
 
Yeah, the more I realize the impact of this, it could kill Intel. Is Intel “too big to fail”?

This suggests to me that anyone that was thinking of buying a new computer or phone should now wait until this bug is properly fixed in hardware. So, no hardware sales for Apple in 2018 for any of their products.
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Damn. I was gonna upgrade to an iPhone 8 Plus next week. Should I really wait until a new iPhone comes out?
I thought the cpus in most phones weren't as badly affected as laptop/desktop cpus.
 
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