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1.5 million over 6 weeks is about 35,000 a day which doesn't sound too far fetched when there are around 300,000 iPhones and Android phones supposedly being sold each day.

Didn't you say you could trust Apple's numbers because "Apple is a publicly traded company."

Microsoft is also a publicly traded company so why don't you trust theirs? :confused:

You posted: "The 40,000 sales figure was for the first day they went on sale. That 1.5 million sales story was a useless piece of journalism.". I read that as you saying that the 1.5 million sales only existed in the fantasy or incorrect calculations of a journalist, and did not come from Microsoft. I hadn't heard that before, that's why I asked if you had more information about that.
 
Agree. On one hand, Apple knows they will make $$$ millions instantly when they release an Apple TV App Store with thousands of apps. On the other hand, Apple is in absolutely no hurry to do so.

Why not? Because Apple TV is selling fairly well, and presumably users are renting and buying content. Also, every day, Apple TV is gaining mindshare at Google TV's expense. (Or is Google TV is failing all by itself?)

But I think there are a few more reasons why Apple can take its time with the Apple TV App Store. First, the more ATV apps available when the ATV App Store launches, the better. When Apple updates Xcode to allow for 3-way universal app development (iPhone/iPod touch, iPad, Apple TV) the race to develop HDTV resolution iOS apps will begin. Yet there is no "tipping point" minimum app count before the ATV App Store could open. Apple TV is already selling well enough to sustain itself just on the strength of its ease-of-use and Netflix / YouTube integration. Apps will simply accelerate sales.

Second, I think Apple may be waiting for would-be competitors to announce and/or release their competing TV app strategies. For example, if Google TV ever recovers from its poor launch, there may be an Android Market-like app store for it. There are rumors that Google has told its Google TV partners to avoid displaying their HDTV sets with Google TV built-in at CES. And CES is one of the most important consumer electronics trade shows.

And Samsung has already released their Internet@TV, which apparently can run widgets and/or native apps. These two would-be competitors have already made many mistakes. In public, with great fanfare, at trade shows and in TV commercials. And Apple knows that the moment the Apple TV App Store is rolled out, all its would-be competitors will be forced back to the drawing board. The more collective mistakes by the opposition, the better for Apple.

So, from Apple's perspective, it's best to allow the wannabes to first make their mistakes in public, then commit to flawed technology and strategies. They will be forced to re-engineer their products and admit that they were wrong, all of which is costly not only in development dollars but also in hardware partner confidence, consumer confidence, and consumer mindshare.

Sound fanboyish? Well look at recent history and you'll see it has been Apple's pattern. The MP3 player market was a free for all in 2001. Apple released iTunes first, then iPod 1.0 later that year. It took the competing MP3 makers years to figure out that iPod's key to success was iTunes. They thought it was just the shiny hardware and the clickwheel. Oops. They never recovered.

Then there was the smartphone market circa 2006. Palm OS and Windows CE (as Windows Mobile was called back then) were locked in a stalemate. BlackBerry was eating their lunch. Google's first version of Android was a near-perfect clone of BlackBerry. Apple announced iPhone in 01/2007 and changed the smartphone world forever. Google rushed back to the drawing board and pooped out an iPhone clone of Android (with the fatal violation of the Java license agreement baked in.) Just look at all the iPhone clones on the market now.

And then there was the whole braindead Windows tablet concept. For nine years, Microsoft kept flogging that same old dead horse. And every few years they did what they have historically done with failed new products. They renamed it, hyped it as though it were an all-new product, and threw millions of advertising dollars at the problem. Tablet PC, UMPC, HP Slate, etc. Microsoft was a big fish in its own small pond. Apple waded in, iPad became the giant fish, and the pond is getting bigger every minute.

So I think Apple is simply waiting for Apple TV competitors to fall into the various and sundry traps that await them. Google's current strategic problem was rushing Google TV to market before putting content deals in place. Google's fundamental, fatal error was trying to mash together too many opposites into Google TV. They hammered the square "computer complexity" peg into the round "TV simplicity" hole. And "lean forward" together with "lean back." And "personal computing" with "shared TV viewing." And who knows what other competitors will make the same mistakes?

almost everything the apple TV does has been done by game consoles for years. almost every household in the USA has a game console in the house.
mp3 players and smartphones had very low penetration when apple came in

apple TV is OK, but for most of us with an x-box/PS3/Wii there is no reason to get one. add the people with blu ray players and it's an even smaller market
 
almost everything the apple TV does has been done by game consoles for years. almost every household in the USA has a game console in the house.
mp3 players and smartphones had very low penetration when apple came in

apple TV is OK, but for most of us with an x-box/PS3/Wii there is no reason to get one. add the people with blu ray players and it's an even smaller market

I have one Wii but 3 TVs so having an AppleTV in another room is a great thing. :cool:
 
You posted: "The 40,000 sales figure was for the first day they went on sale. That 1.5 million sales story was a useless piece of journalism.". I read that as you saying that the 1.5 million sales only existed in the fantasy or incorrect calculations of a journalist, and did not come from Microsoft. I hadn't heard that before, that's why I asked if you had more information about that.

The figures came from Microsoft...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.12330a073a4e5c1c45b564ecbd4f796c.171

The bad journalism I was referring to was the basis of this thread, which was trying to claim that there were 1.5 million Windows 7 phones lying unsold on retailers shelves.

Benjy91 believed this to be true when he replied to you so I was countering his claim.
 
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almost everything the apple TV does has been done by game consoles for years. almost every household in the USA has a game console in the house.
mp3 players and smartphones had very low penetration when apple came in

apple TV is OK, but for most of us with an x-box/PS3/Wii there is no reason to get one. add the people with blu ray players and it's an even smaller market

I agree here, I have a 360 and much of what I would want to do with movie streaming, netflix, hulu etc could be done by my 360. However it's still easier on an Apple TV. Streaming from an iPhone to the :apple:TV instantly is simpler than using a controller and configurating it through windows media center.
 
almost everything the apple TV does has been done by game consoles for years. almost every household in the USA has a game console in the house.
You have a very simplistic view of what's important about the Apple TV, so I can see how you might believe that. I just bought an Xbox 360 + Kinect, and I thought it would overlap with my Apple TV. I am not ONLY expiring my free Xbox Gold account (so, no Netflix), but as far as I know I can't do a laundry list of things (that I use) on my Xbox that I can on my Apple TV. The H.264 support is horrible. When it works, the experience is hardly "friendly". Moreover, I'm surprised how much I've been using Airplay lately (coming home, and sending my radio station to the TV, using text-to-speech to read an article, etc). I even find myself watching a YouTube video on my phone... and sending it up to the TV, so I can continue browsing the rest of the website. I watch podcasts and listen to Internet radio. Because I don't have cable, I recently bought a "season pass" on iTunes for a TV show (ok, it was The Avengers) and I've enjoyed watching the show using the Apple TV, or even on my computer occasionally. That's simply not an option with Xbox 360. If nothing else, the ability to control media playback with my phone (or iPad) is pretty phenomenal. Whether I'm controlling Netflix, streaming ripped DVDs from my computer, playing Internet radio, or just setting a mood with some soft music... you really can't beat the Apple TV for ease-of-use. It probably depends on who you are though.

I'm an average, technically savvy guy... but I have one very important rule. If anyone in the house needs me to operate a gadget... that gadget FAILS. We may still use it, but it will have an asterix next to its capabilities. The Apple TV, since DAY ONE has passed with all my family members.

mp3 players and smartphones had very low penetration when apple came in apple TV is OK, but for most of us with an x-box/PS3/Wii there is no reason to get one. add the people with blu ray players and it's an even smaller market
Again, I disagree. I think a better argument would be that media devices have been around for a long time, and making them better and easier to use is probably not going to make them much more popular. --This I might agree with. But, straight up... I have an XBox 360 myself (and an Apple TV) and I have two friends who have all of these game machines (and many kids). An Apple TV is a low-cost media streaming solution that is low-power, low-profile, low-noise and low-maintenance. If I had kids, I'd rip all of their DVDs to our computer and stream them anywhere in the house to an Apple TV in a heartbeat. I've tried my Xbox 360 with Connect 360 and Microsoft's idea of media playback on the device is a joke. I sincerely wish they'd just give Xbox 360 a Media Center interface, and make it stream from iTunes, Zune, RokBox or whatever protocol people are using. It's more likely that a hack will arrive for Apple TV that makes it more feature packed that it already is. Then Apple will update it and add an App Store.

I'd hold out hope for Google to create an Apple TV-like box for $99 that runs Android and works at least 80% as well, but let's all be honest... ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I agree here, I have a 360 and much of what I would want to do with movie streaming, netflix, hulu etc could be done by my 360. However it's still easier on an Apple TV. Streaming from an iPhone to the :apple:TV instantly is simpler than using a controller and configurating it through windows media center.
I don't even think you agree, unless you think NO ONE with a game system should get an Apple TV (which is what he's saying). Moreover, I don't think you even agree with his FIRST sentence. What the Apple TV "DOES" isn't really about the features. It's about the usefulness that can only come about with the right interface (as you noted). We could sit around thinking that a Wii or an Xbox 360 is an interface away from doing as good a job as the Apple TV, but we all know this is wishful thinking. I don't want multiple devices. Apple TV forces the issue with really targeted execution and VERY unique features that all the game consoles AREn't going.

~ CB
 
i was home due to the snow yesterday and needed to entertain my son. took my copies of toy story 3 and how to train your dragon. copied them to my USB stick and plugged into my PS3. took 5 seconds to search on google for the exact instructions. very easy

with an apple tv i'd have to stream from my laptop doing work on vpn or idevice.

netflix is very easy on ps3 and x-box. the Wii and internet TV's the interface sucks but no complaints on the PS3 or X-Box especially with the new client version.

if i didn't have either one i'd get an apple TV, but don't see a need now

bought an x-box but have had a PS3 for a while as well to play DVD's and Blu-Ray's. iTunes is nice and cheap for this stuff, but it's a pain in the ass to play on the TV. i don't want to turn my computer on just to play scooby-doo when i can pop a dvd in

i'm on the streaming only netflix plan but thinking about cancelling it due to the crappy selection and the fact that some content is due to expire next week. renting from iTunes is out of the question due to the cost. buying from iTunes is a PITA since the only way to play on a TV is to stream from a computer.

that leaves plain old DVD's and blu ray's
 
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You posted: "The 40,000 sales figure was for the first day they went on sale. That 1.5 million sales story was a useless piece of journalism.". I read that as you saying that the 1.5 million sales only existed in the fantasy or incorrect calculations of a journalist, and did not come from Microsoft. I hadn't heard that before, that's why I asked if you had more information about that.

The Article Microsoft published said they had sold 1.5 Million Windows Phone 7's. Where as that figure included how many they had shifted to retailers, only 40,000 had actually been sold to customers.

Herpin and derpin as usual I see

Was that aimed at me for my typing mistake? Or at Microsoft for publishing ambiguous sales figures?
 
The Article Microsoft published said they had sold 1.5 Million Windows Phone 7's. Where as that figure included how many they had shifted to retailers, only 40,000 had actually been sold to customers.



Was that aimed at me for my typing mistake? Or at Microsoft for publishing ambiguous sales figures?

They sold 40,000 on the first day. The 1.5 million figure was for the first 6 weeks.
 
I've been digging the hell out of my apple tv, remote app on ipod is tits. To be able to access media on my airport extreme's external hard drive is all else I'd ask for.
 
Sorta On Topic:

I'm loving my Apple TV that I got for Christmas. At first, I had trouble streaming with netflix, which is the main reason I wanted one. But I got a new hdmi cable, all is well! I guess my old one didn't have what it needed for HDCP. I'm glad it worked out, I hated using the Wii to browse Netflix.

I got an atv for Christmas as well and the Netflix streaming seems to freeze quite a bit. I am surprised to hear you say that switching the hdmi cable helped since I was assuming it was a connectivity related issue, or more likely an issue with the software since I don't have issues streaming anything else.

Anyone else having this issue and found a fix? I am not using google dns.
 
I got an atv for Christmas as well and the Netflix streaming seems to freeze quite a bit. I am surprised to hear you say that switching the hdmi cable helped since I was assuming it was a connectivity related issue, or more likely an issue with the software since I don't have issues streaming anything else.

Anyone else having this issue and found a fix? I am not using google dns.

are you on comcast?
 
Great Product

I bought the family two Apple TVs and fixing to puchase a third. The netflick streaming is flawless and AirPlay interface has been beyond our expectations. :) My Comcast internet speed was tested via CNET and is steady at about 5MegBits. Netflick movies start instantly with no gaps. And we can fast forward and the movie starts instantly.
 
I sure am...

netflix uses Level 3 like apple uses akamai

comcast and L3 have had a peering agreement which is soon to be renewed. as netflix has moved to streaming they are sending a lot more data to comcast than before and comcast wants more money

either comcast is playing games with that connection or netflix is sending so much data to comcast that it's overloaded and that's why it's slow

it could also be where you live since once the data gets on comcast's network it has to find a way to your home and the further out you are the slower the backbone links are
 
At the moment I don't see a huge appeal for the new one for me. I've checked out NetFlix's available streaming library at their web site and it seems too limited for me to get all excited about.

As someone whose had both:

  • No moving parts, no hard disk spinning and generating heat. My ATV1 also had to be physically unplugged and rebooted every month or two because it would lock up.
  • Airplay -- unfortunately ATV1 won't work with Airplay (sending video to your ATV from your phone/iPod).

I bought my 3rd ATV2 -- one replaced the ATV1 and the other two are replacing Airport Expresses that used to do music-only, now I can shoot video too.
 
I need one!

JUST GOTTA FREE REPLACEMENT FROM WALMART FOR A MINOR ISSUE WITH A 42 INCH LCD, THEY UPGRADE ME TO 47 INCH LED VIZIO RAZOR FREE WARRANTY REPLACEMENT WITH INTERNET AND NETFLIX BUILT INTO THE TV. i DON'T NEED THIS FOR THAT ONE, BUT THEY NEVER CAME AND PICKED UP THE 42" LCD, AND THEY SAID THEY WON'T PICK IT UP. THE PROBLEM IT HAS HAPPENS FOR LIKE 2 SECONDS ONCE A MONTH, YOU TURN TV OFF, AND ITS FINE. SO i'M JUST GONNA GRAB AN APPLE TV FOR THIS ONE AND THROW IT IN THE BEDROOM. :D
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I bet that if the ATV2 had component outputs like Roku it would have sold another qtr million. Love the unit, I have one already and would buy more, but we have older SD tv's and buying an HDMI to component converter defeats the value...

There's no way to configure a Wii to play back from an itunes library is there?
 
JUST GOTTA FREE REPLACEMENT FROM WALMART FOR A MINOR ISSUE WITH A 42 INCH LCD, THEY UPGRADE ME TO 47 INCH LED VIZIO RAZOR FREE WARRANTY REPLACEMENT WITH INTERNET AND NETFLIX BUILT INTO THE TV. i DON'T NEED THIS FOR THAT ONE, BUT THEY NEVER CAME AND PICKED UP THE 42" LCD, AND THEY SAID THEY WON'T PICK IT UP. THE PROBLEM IT HAS HAPPENS FOR LIKE 2 SECONDS ONCE A MONTH, YOU TURN TV OFF, AND ITS FINE. SO i'M JUST GONNA GRAB AN APPLE TV FOR THIS ONE AND THROW IT IN THE BEDROOM. :D
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Um, well said?
 
I bet that if the ATV2 had component outputs like Roku it would have sold another qtr million. Love the unit, I have one already and would buy more, but we have older SD tv's and buying an HDMI to component converter defeats the value...

There's no way to configure a Wii to play back from an itunes library is there?


Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to rent on it. The only reason the studios are allowing HD rentals on the new Apple TV is because it only has HDMI out which ensures that HDCP is always enforced. Component does not support HDCP and in the studios eyes that means a $4.99 HD rental could be easily copied and owned.
 
Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to rent on it. The only reason the studios are allowing HD rentals on the new Apple TV is because it only has HDMI out which ensures that HDCP is always enforced. Component does not support HDCP and in the studios eyes that means a $4.99 HD rental could be easily copied and owned.

You can rent HD movies on the old Apple TV and that's got component out. :confused:
 
The old model Apple TV sold around 2.2 million units per year on average (roughly 9 million were sold during its lifecycle if you use quirky analyst guestimates).

So, I'm not sure this is all that spectacular yet. It's encouraging that their releasing numbers though.

It's probably more about trying to kill off Roku's recent achievement of 1 million units (for all their different models that they've been selling for years) than anything else.

There's no doubt this is part of Jobs' master plan. When the Apple TV was first introduced he noted that he expected Apple TV to be Apple's fourth stool leg someday.

Come WWDC, if Apple's sold 10 million units they'll be in a nice position to open an App Store and entice developers.
 
The old model Apple TV sold around 2.2 million units per year on average (roughly 9 million were sold during its lifecycle if you use quirky analyst guestimates).

Where did you get these figures from?

As far as I know Apple never gave any sales figures for the Apple TV. I've seen speculation of sales around the 6 million mark but never as high as yours.
 
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