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I am all for giving law enforcement access to devices with a legitimate court order, but not at the expensive of everyone else's security and privacy. Glad Apple did the right thing and closed up this security hole, but I'm sure they will find another soon enough.
 
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I am all for giving law enforcement access to devices with a legitimate court order, but not at the expensive of everyone else's security and privacy. Glad Apple did the right thing and closed up this security hole, but I'm sure they will find another soon enough.

This article was worded deceptively to imply that Apple responding to requests by law enforcement for iCloud data is the same thing as unlocking a phone. A court order can't unlock a phone, and Apple can't unlock one either. That's what this article is really about.
 
Wow! Forgot about the Patriot Act, have you?

The hatred for President Obama is astounding!

Obama Derangement Syndrome lives on.

I don't know how people get so misinformed. While neither party has a perfect record when it comes to protecting privacy, there is a clear enough divide. Democrats tend to support legislation that protects privacy and Republicans tend to support legislation and tramples it, usually in the name of protecting us from some scary terrorist threat. And while this nonsense didn't start with the Patriot Act, that legislation was one of the most egregious encroachments on privacy in American history, and King George W did a fantastic job scaring soccer moms, right-wingers and Dennis Miller to the point where its passage was quick and painless.

The only legitimate criticism of Obama in that regard is that he didn't work harder to kill the Patriot Act, although we saw how hamstrung he was with Congress for much of those 8 years so who knows if that would have mattered.
 
I am all for giving law enforcement access to devices with a legitimate court order, but not at the expensive of everyone else's security and privacy. Glad Apple did the right thing and closed up this security hole, but I'm sure they will find another soon enough.
Please understand you're conflating two separate issues. Court orders for data have nothing to do with law enforcement cracking a phone. Apple tells you in their transparency report what data they give the government(s), what kind of data, and how often it's requested. The issue addressed in the article has nothing to do with that.
 
I'm all for security, but thinking it through, how do you unbrick a bricked device if you can't plug it in, a trip to the :apple: store?:cool:

Why would the device be bricked? This just disables USB data access to the phone after an hour. Device is still 100% usable if you can unlock it with the passcode or Touch/Face ID. You can still charge it, you just can't sync into to your computer via a cable without first entering the passcode.

Which honestly how many people regularly need to sync their iPhone to the computer with the cable? Wi-Fi syncing takes care of pretty much everything.

Unfortunately people will probably disable it because they won't understand it just like the erase after 10 failed attempts feature.
 
Hopefully Apple will also implement end to end encryption for iCloud too.

iCloud is a weak link in the ecosystem.
I think you’ll find that to be by design in order to comply with laws throughout the world. Like it or not (and I certainly don’t) Apple does have to adhere to the local laws of countries it operates in (well, not the tax ones but that’s a different story). In a globalized marketplace that essentially means the lowest common denominator and I’m sure intelligence agencies all around the world find iCloud better for panopticon-esque data collection than just being nakedly thuggish about backdoors on local devices.
 
""If we go back to the situation where we again don't have access, now we know directly all the evidence we've lost and all the kids we can't put into a position of safety," said Cohen.

he forgot "because we are too dumb and lazy to do our jobs the way police did before smart phones"
 
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Does each GrayKey box phone home to get authorization to proceed with unlocking a phone? That would be a responsible step in the process, as each attempt would be logged externally from the law enforcement agency, and hackers would not get authorization.
 
This is how the Apple user base has changed: they don’t care that their iPhone (which is a device connected to the Internet) stores private data, nor that their data is stored on Apple servers (iCloud). They are happy with Apple having potential access to all their private data in the age of the big data business. At the same time they will criticize Facebook and Google for doing the same as Apple (making money from big data). And finally, they’ll applaud that Apple won’t collaborate in fighting crime and terrorism. Then you put this all in perspective, and it’s clear why the Mac future belongs to iOS: the current user base is more in the teenage range who seeks idols. A good computer is no longer suitable for that user base. They need to feel Apple owns their lives. The Mac was about you owning your data. iOS and iCloud are the opposite (you don’t even own the choice of saying no to OS updates: teens love that kind of belonging, and Apple knows that).
 
It's not a cure-all, but that's good. Another part of this that I really love is the amount of anonymization there will be in Safari in iOS 12 and Mojave. I hate those ads that want to know who you are for two reasons: in the end, they collect a hell of a lot of information about you ... right, Google...? And they can sell this stuff to, like Cambridge Analytics -- now deceased and renamed -- and they can merge what Google has, what Facebook has, and what your voter registration has, and all other public or cheap info, and they've got a portrait of you for any number of reasons, from blackmail to political ads. I would strongly back a regulation of the Internet that made that kind of mass collection illegal. For one thing, look at Facebook in 2016. For another, think of what's to come. Big Brother we don't need.

And for another, all that javascript junks up webpages so they jiggle and jitter for 25 seconds, when a plain page loads in 5 seconds. And it's a place for viruses to hide. Show us an ad based on what you know about what kind of people read this, or watch this. Guess. It made TV a s--tton of money. But the TV couldn't take pictures of you, and nobody thought that it could or that it should.

Ugh, and those sites that you have to flip through 20 different pages where content makes up only 10% of the page, and the remainder is all junk and ads... those sites frustrate me to no end!
 


"If we go back to the situation where we again don't have access, now we know directly all the evidence we've lost and all the kids we can't put into a position of safety," said Cohen.

Article Link: Apple Confirms Plans to Disable Law Enforcement Access to iPhone via Tools Like GrayKey Box

The number of unlocked phones is not the same as convictions or proof of criminal activity. Share the hard numbers and names of the convicted, if it is greater than the number of unarmed minors killed in police action it would be stunning.
LEOs clutching at pearls.
 
This is how the Apple user base has changed: they don’t care that their iPhone (which is a device connected to the Internet) stores private data, nor that their data is stored on Apple servers (iCloud). They are happy with Apple having potential access to all their private data in the age of the big data business. At the same time they will criticize Facebook and Google for doing the same as Apple (making money from big data). And finally, they’ll applaud that Apple won’t collaborate in fighting crime and terrorism. Then you put this all in perspective, and it’s clear why the Mac future belongs to iOS: the current user base is more in the teenage range who seeks idols. A good computer is no longer suitable for that user base. They need to feel Apple owns their lives. The Mac was about you owning your data. iOS and iCloud are the opposite (you don’t even own the choice of saying no to OS updates: teens love that kind of belonging, and Apple knows that).

I disagree with the statement that "the current user base is more in the teenage range who seeks idols". Speak for yourself.

Mac users tend to be more and better informed than equivalent Windows users.
 
Good start. Thank you Apple.
Will Apple dare to disconnect the WIFI und Bluetooth module from the internal power supply at the same time? Then this is getting really good!
Will Apple finally gonna indicate Camera-Activiy in the notch area? (LED connected 1:1 to Camera's power supply, we remember Apple's CinemaDisplay and how this concept was cheated by "open" hardware/software design in other companys).
 
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This is how the Apple user base has changed: they don’t care that their iPhone (which is a device connected to the Internet) stores private data, nor that their data is stored on Apple servers (iCloud). They are happy with Apple having potential access to all their private data in the age of the big data business. At the same time they will criticize Facebook and Google for doing the same as Apple (making money from big data). And finally, they’ll applaud that Apple won’t collaborate in fighting crime and terrorism. Then you put this all in perspective, and it’s clear why the Mac future belongs to iOS: the current user base is more in the teenage range who seeks idols. A good computer is no longer suitable for that user base. They need to feel Apple owns their lives. The Mac was about you owning your data. iOS and iCloud are the opposite (you don’t even own the choice of saying no to OS updates: teens love that kind of belonging, and Apple knows that).

Regardless of age or ecosystem, I believe they prefer to give their data up of their own accord instead of it being taken without consent. There is no TOS agreement with the constitution or law enforcement.
 
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I don’t care who’s fault it is. This data mining crap needs to stop. Apple seems to be more on top of it than any other company so let’s hope they kill that grey box.
It all boils down to business-models.
Apple gats paid by selling hardware, not data. Apple sees great marketing in "privacy" and "protect yourself against law enforcement".

Nothing wrong with it, BTW. Apple is just a company making money.
 
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