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Why would the device be bricked? This just disables USB data access to the phone after an hour. Device is still 100% usable if you can unlock it with the passcode or Touch/Face ID. You can still charge it, you just can't sync into to your computer via a cable without first entering the passcode.

Exactly. Thank you. Too many people here don't understand what this does or what it is for.

Problem: The bad guys can brute-force your phone because they DON'T know your passcode.

Solution: Apple prevents any data transfer without the passcode. Thus the bad guys can't brute-force the phone.

But this won't affect the user... because you DO know your passcode.

I don't know why people are freaking out about this. Nothing will change for you. You'll keep using your passcode, TouchID or FaceID like normal.

This is to prevent people who AREN'T you and who DON'T know your passcode from getting into your phone.
 
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... Big Brother we don't need...

Agree with your comments. However, the Big Brother ship has sailed. NSA big data and AI algorithms have been scraping, aggregating, and storing personal data for years and on a scale probably unimaginable. They may not have the ability to actually USE all that data yet, but they are storing it for whenever they need it. All the government needs to do, as Snowden said, is "flip the switch". Instant fascism. I can think of no better candidate to flip that switch than the radical nationalist in the white house.
 
This is the best part of Tim Cooke’s Apple.

Doesn’t make up for the crappy keyboards, almost abandoning the Pro market, etc., etc. but he deserves enormous credit for this. This takes courage.
 
It's not a cure-all, but that's good. Another part of this that I really love is the amount of anonymization there will be in Safari in iOS 12 and Mojave. I hate those ads that want to know who you are for two reasons: in the end, they collect a hell of a lot of information about you ... right, Google...? And they can sell this stuff to, like Cambridge Analytics -- now deceased and renamed -- and they can merge what Google has, what Facebook has, and what your voter registration has, and all other public or cheap info, and they've got a portrait of you for any number of reasons, from blackmail to political ads. I would strongly back a regulation of the Internet that made that kind of mass collection illegal. For one thing, look at Facebook in 2016. For another, think of what's to come. Big Brother we don't need.

And for another, all that javascript junks up webpages so they jiggle and jitter for 25 seconds, when a plain page loads in 5 seconds. And it's a place for viruses to hide. Show us an ad based on what you know about what kind of people read this, or watch this. Guess. It made TV a s--tton of money. But the TV couldn't take pictures of you, and nobody thought that it could or that it should.

Just use the search engines to generate garbage information. Use bing to search for google. Google to search for yahoo. Yahoo to search for... and just keep it going. If everyone does this, they’ll just start thinking that all anyone wants is their competitors.

Do the same with every other site out there. You’re on Amazon, only search for products proprietary and distributed by a competitor.

On Microsoft’s site, search for information on Apple products.

Yep, takes time. But obviously people waste a lot of time doing far less productive things.

Personally, I use bing to rack up points for free stuff. But I only search for things that don’t exist on bing. Figure it gives their analytics something to try and figure out. They get a lot of daily searches for things that aren’t even words, and they pay me for it.

What do they learn??? Pretty much nothing. But I’d like to know what they think they learned.

Anything that asks me for information, always gets garbage. Want to know where I live, I’ll give you something interesting (yes I realize IP address info) but I’m talking about form data.

Even my IP address is useless. As is GPS tracking. My phone shows me as being 40 miles from my home even on their network (I’ve checked). Even their towers don’t triangulate to my home.


The GPS is totally useless if I’m at home. It will show me in another town that I never travel to. Another 20 miles past the town that their towers show me to be in when I’m home.

I can use GPS. It’ll work once I leave my house.

And they don’t even know my real address. The address they have isn’t in any of the towns my phone ever shows me to be in.

What’s it matter? The bill gets paid. After using the ISP / phone company to figure out where they think I am, It would take making contact with 3 more people to find me. And those 3 people are going to want to know why it’s any of your business.

What gender am I??? Well in this world... yeah.

Email address??? I have hundreds. So good luck linking those for a pattern. I throw a random one at every site.

I use a different web browser for different things too. And configure them to wipe each time I close them. So if I’m doing something personal (like something that matters), I’ll use Safari. If I’m just looking for whatever random information, I use Firefox.

No website has my real primary email address.

Oh... by the way, I get pretty much zero spam to my one primary use email.

So if the system wants to play, then why not?? I’ll play the game, get what I need from the Internet without giving the Internet anything of great use.

I’m not really worried about anything being interesting to anyone. I just really don’t like spam. And I don’t like giving out more information than I believe is truly necessary for the task.

I’m the same in person. You get the information I believe you need.

I walked into a government office the other day for an appointment with a government employee. They were expecting me. I stopped at the front desk so they could make the person aware that I was there.

They hand me a form to “sign in” and the form asks for identification information. Including the last 4 of my social.

I look at it. Ummm... the person is expecting me, and personally knows me. You don’t need anything. Here’s your form back.

The thing people don’t realize, is that most people (if not all) in a given state of a general age range, will have the same first 3 numbers (some states the first 3 numbers are the same for everyone born there). The next 2 numbers are only 99 possibilities. So if you give anyone the last 4 of your social, and what state you’re in (assuming that most people are born and die in their same state), then you’ve just given them your social security number.

People are conditioned to just answer the questions. They don’t often stop to think whether the person or entity really needs that information.

I have nothing to hide. Nothing interesting to find. But... I do value my privacy and identity.

I have previously dealt with ID theft by a former spouse. So that is my reason for caution.
 
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such a clickbait title, they are disabling the USB access period, not just for law enforcement.
 
Okaaaayyyyy...

Now how does this work if the phone is locked it requires iTunes to fix an issue?
Does this also lock us out of iTunes?

Thats a good point. Maybe DFU mode is still accessible for reset. I doubt those boxes work when the phone is in that mode.
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Children. Terrorists. Baby Jesus.

Take your pick depending on the day of the week.
Won't anybody think of Baby JESUS!?!?!?!
 
Thats a good point. Maybe DFU mode is still accessible for reset. I doubt those boxes work when the phone is in that mode.
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Won't anybody think of Baby JESUS!?!?!?!

There are legitimate reasons they might need evidence on a given phone. The problem is any door open to them, is also open to criminals.

Sadly, you can’t believe anymore that every law official is honest and not helping criminals.

I’ve even been in front of judges who were ruling against the state and federal law, and knew that their ruling violated the law. Essentially ruling for the party who had enough money to pay them off. And unless you have enough money to go to the Supreme Court, you are “screwed”. There’s criminals in every level of the law.

I know great law officers to. Ones who stepped in and worked with me against the judges orders. Because the law conflicted with the judges orders.

So a judge made certain orders, to essentially make it illegal for me to protect myself against the offender who was placing me in danger. The judge ordered that for me to document, video, etc. the crimes being committed against me would hold me in contempt.

The police saw who was actually committing the offenses. And saw that if I didn’t obtain said evidence, that they could be forced to arrest me.

So anytime the police were involved, I’d present the evidence of what really happened.

That guaranteed my freedom. Every time the other party brought the false allegations to court, the judge ruled that the evidence cleared me. But also condemned me for violating the court order and having evidence. Which put me in contempt.

The problem.... you need a police officer to make the arrest. And you can issue an order to arrest me. But, you need an officer willing to do so.

And when every officer for 50+ miles knew me by name (after all the incidents they’d been called out on) that judge was missing the one thing he needed. An officer willing to arrest me.

I’ve been through a lot in this area. Corruption runs crazy. But I’ve had police officers go to extremes to keep me out of jail on false charges. Including testifying for me (on proceeding I didn’t even know about yet) to prevent me from being arrested on false charges.

I trust every police officer in the nearby towns. They have all shown amazing integrity.

I do not trust any of the currently sitting judges in this state.

If Apple were dealing with police detectives, I would have absolute faith if they were working one on one with them.

I would never trust a blanket order issued by a court to grant access. Judges are far easier to corrupt and gain more by ruling in favor of certain parties. Whether the gains are financial, political, or social.

A police officer rarely has anything to gain by which party gets arrested. Granted there are some. But on the whole, I trust a one on one investigation more than a blanket order.
 
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Apple cares about profits more than it cares about the welfare of your kids.
It is your job to look after your kids. Not Apple.
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There are legitimate reasons they might need evidence on a given phone. The problem is any door open to them, is also open to criminals.

Sadly, you can’t believe anymore that every law official is honest and not helping criminals.


Oh I completely agree. I wasn't being serious about the Jesus thing.

I'm happy that Apple are working to keep my data private from thieves.
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such a clickbait title.

It worked...
 
I love that Apple is doing this BUT why not just include it as a point update, why wait for iOS12 or is it more complex and can't be done without the full iOS update?
 
So they went straight to the old trope of "won't somebody think o the children"
Wonder if there's a stat out there somewhere on how often government snooping of phones led to saving or rescuing children? I'm excluding parental monitoring of their own kids, which can be done without snooping/spying tools like "GrayKey" boxes.
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Will we see this headline in the fall ....... “Apple says iOS 12 is now installed on 99% of devices” ;)
One of the main features in iOS 12 is the detailed data collection and analysis of phone habits, detailed in a sister article to this one this morning. I can't help but expect that Apple will try to collect and use this data for a multiplicity of reasons, from marketing to hardware issues (such as battery life). If collected at some central cloud location(s), it would likely be available to law enforcement with warrants or PATRIOT Act enablement. Whether users can opt out of such collection, or whether encryption would at least prevent man-in-the-middle snooping remains to be seen.
 
Judges are far easier to corrupt and gain more by ruling in favor of certain parties. Whether the gains are financial, political, or social.

A police officer rarely has anything to gain by which party gets arrested. Granted there are some. But on the whole, I trust a one on one investigation more than a blanket order.

Oh you mean judges take bribes. If you and I do anything to get those gains, we will be judged for taking a bribe.
 
Apple is not aiming to thwart law enforcement efforts with its on-device security changes. The company regularly complies with requests for the data that it stores on its servers, and has a dedicated team of professionals to respond to these requests. Since 2013, Apple has responded to more than 55,000 U.S. government requests seeking information relating to over 208,000 devices, accounts, or financial identifiers.

So, who pays for this, I know Apple has plenty of cash but that doesn't mean they have to bear to cost of those 42.000 (devices per annum) requests do they.
Those costs could run into the $100.000's or even millions of dollars since they have a dedicated team of professionals.



Also, Apple should provide this to older iOS versions as well.
 
I think you may be right, otherwise they would have an option to securely erase the phone after X number of unsuccessful password attempts and perhaps even provide a way to have a password that would immediately erase the phone.
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Honestly, it started well before that, well before 9/11 even, it dates all the way back to the founding of the country. There are reasons that the constitution has protections against unlawful searches after all. Various events throughout history, such as 9/11 have given the government excuses to slowly chip away at this and we, the people have forgotten that WE have the power to stop them. We have also collectively decided that we would rather have "security" rather than privacy, even though the "security" really isn't security at all, instead it is security theater and in the name of making security easier rather than insisting the government do its job properly.


I don't think the feature goes far enough and I don't think there should be the ability to disable it either, as some clever person will find a way to disable the feature without unlocking the phone.

You are dead wrong! Just wrong!
 
It's good that they're taking steps to try to prevent the GreyKey Box from working, but am I the only one who thinks this is a little lame? This is just a band-aid and they're not fixing the root cause. Even if USB access is enabled, something that is plugged into the Lightning port should not be able to bypass the iPhone's restrictions against brute forcing a passcode. The phone should still implement delays after a certain number of incorrect guesses and then wipe its memory after 10 incorrect guesses.

It's nice that iOS will offer an option to disable the USB port after an hour, but Apple needs to fix the bug that allows this type of access via the USB port at all.
 
I'm all for security, but thinking it through, how do you unbrick a bricked device if you can't plug it in, a trip to the :apple: store?:cool:

I'm guessing that you simply restore it as you do today. Put it in DFU mode. Then once connected to iTunes you restore it and while it is restoring it it will not be able to brute force the iPhone. If you try to stop the process midway then you still have a iPhone part bricked and not usable.
Once the iPhone is restored the feature will be activated still because it is on by default.
Then your iPhone is restored with no problems and the feature is active so no problems there either.
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B-but, b..but, with Android I save so much money and can configure/modify my device and OS. I don't want to pay Apple Tax! Apple is too strict and unyielding with their products. How else will Alexa help so precisely?

How many people have modified their smartphones, hardware or software? Or even made changes to their computer - laptop or desktop?

People on social media, especially Facebook, don't know how much they are giving away so easily, not just privacy, but how their future is guided/manipulated!

Then if you do not like apple then why are you here? Also stick with Android then do not whinge when you get hacked BIG time! You say that Apple is too strict, well I find Android to relaxed and too lax. Kind of like a nightclub I worked in once. there was no checks on punters by the door staff and anyone could take anything into the club from drugs to knives. I lost count of the amount of times there was trouble and the cops had to be called in.
Would you like to go to a club like that? Nope i did not think so.
Enough said!
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This is just a roadblock....

The fact NSA gets in via the backdoor, and so can law enforcement if they choose to is noting Apple can do to proven that, since Apple must comply with data in the cloud.

With so much backup-ed, it doesn't matter much about this feature, as it only prevents "direct" access.

Everyone may use their phones, but some people like me would turn this feature "off" because i go more than a few hours a day and phone is locked... I don't use it all the time.

Apple can keep saying they comply with the law, but only if its a service, not on the phone.. You can't keep saying that while introducing stuff to prevent the same.



Would an iPhone just spontaneously brick itself *after a hour* ? .. If an iPhone would brick, it would be unusable straight after something has been done.

The NSA can no longer get in via the backdoor or any door that is the point! They are screwed big time and I mean BIG time.
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This is how the Apple user base has changed: they don’t care that their iPhone (which is a device connected to the Internet) stores private data, nor that their data is stored on Apple servers (iCloud). They are happy with Apple having potential access to all their private data in the age of the big data business. At the same time they will criticize Facebook and Google for doing the same as Apple (making money from big data). And finally, they’ll applaud that Apple won’t collaborate in fighting crime and terrorism. Then you put this all in perspective, and it’s clear why the Mac future belongs to iOS: the current user base is more in the teenage range who seeks idols. A good computer is no longer suitable for that user base. They need to feel Apple owns their lives. The Mac was about you owning your data. iOS and iCloud are the opposite (you don’t even own the choice of saying no to OS updates: teens love that kind of belonging, and Apple knows that).

You are wrong, just wrong and super wrong!!!!

Firstly you do know that an iPhone user does not have to use iCloud. They can go with out it and many do! So therefore Apple knows nothing about those people! Sop Nah Nah to you!
Plus let us look at the record, Google and Facebook and others have routinely let their users down by allowing 3rd party and hackers to get the data of the users.
Apple has a better track record of looking after it's users and making sure that data is impossible to get hold of by them unless from their own servers.
But then like I say a user is not forced to use iCloud.
You say that Apple do not fight crime. yeah like the San Bernadino shooting incident.
Here is a hint...they DID!
Apple complied with the FBI to give them all of the iCloud data from the iPhone
Apple told the FBI to plug the iPhone into the charger and connect to a known wifi network. The phone would then back up and Apple would hand over the backup just done, oh and Apple had already handed over all the icloud backups to date. There was just a short period missing.
Then the FBI changed the password to iCloud account and thus Apple's advice did not work.
The FBI lied and lied and lied again all the way through that saga.
So please stop with the FUD!
 
I'm the one guy that things this is the wrong stance.

Give law enforcement access. Get the criminals. Get the terrorists!
 
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Mr. Chuck Cohen did not bother to indicate how many of these 96 phones had information that actually made a difference in the investigation and I know why. This is not about the children, but about making the police's job easier. How about the police getting off their duff and doing some police work instead of just sitting around demanding free access to any phone they want.

Police work like subpoena phone records, issue search warrants for ones property, subpoena to listen into ones phone and remote conversations, that type of police work. Police work stops at ones iPhone today. All the above police work that has solved huge number of crimes an prevented many more, can easily be moved to ones iPhone. Thus, making police work nearly impossible, especially for crimes done by organized groups.
 
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