Apple Considering Discontinuing More Server-Focused Products?

[Abacab]

XSERVE Demise, WHO USES?

MY COMPANY USES !
We are ALL MAC with ONLY 3 PC LAPTOPS.
THIS REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON OUR FUTURE PLANNING.
THEY ARE STARTING TO MESS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD NOW!
(SYS ADMINS LIKE ME)
MORE NOISE NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THIS MATTER !!!!
ESPECIALLY SINCE I-PADS ARE BEING INTEGRATED INTO ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS AND LEARNING INSTITUTION !

 

[blacktape242]

MY COMPANY USES !
We are ALL MAC with ONLY 3 PC LAPTOPS.
THIS REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON OUR FUTURE PLANNING.
THEY ARE STARTING TO MESS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD NOW!
(SYS ADMINS LIKE ME)
MORE NOISE NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THIS MATTER !!!!
ESPECIALLY SINCE I-PADS ARE BEING INTEGRATED INTO ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS AND LEARNING INSTITUTION !

In the same position here!!!!!! Not a happy camper!

 

[mytdave]

crazy

Demise of OSX Server would be the demise of OSX. All of our Mac clients are supported by OSX Server on the back end. Say goodbye to all the Macs at our company. It's bad enough they're thinking of dropping the XServe. Who cares how many they're selling? It's not a high volume product. It's a critical piece of support infrastructure. No infrastructure, no Macs. Is anyone at Apple using their brains?

 

[Consultant]

<tasteless joke>Steve Jobs is taking enterprise support to the grave. </tasteless joke>

How will they make it cloud? lol

With magic and unicorn!

MY COMPANY USES !
We are ALL MAC with ONLY 3 PC LAPTOPS.
THIS REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON OUR FUTURE PLANNING.
THEY ARE STARTING TO MESS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD NOW!
(SYS ADMINS LIKE ME)
MORE NOISE NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THIS MATTER !!!!
ESPECIALLY SINCE I-PADS ARE BEING INTEGRATED INTO ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS AND LEARNING INSTITUTION !

It's a rumor.

 

[abhimat.gautam]

MY COMPANY USES !
We are ALL MAC with ONLY 3 PC LAPTOPS.
THIS REALLY PUT A DAMPER ON OUR FUTURE PLANNING.
THEY ARE STARTING TO MESS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD NOW!
(SYS ADMINS LIKE ME)
MORE NOISE NEEDS TO BE MADE ON THIS MATTER !!!!
ESPECIALLY SINCE I-PADS ARE BEING INTEGRATED INTO ALMOST EVERY BUSINESS AND LEARNING INSTITUTION !

I agree. I don’t really like where this is going.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Yep, this is all starting to happen. Sooner than I thought, though. I think we've seen the last Mac Pro revision, too.

It's bad enough they're thinking of dropping the XServe.

Didn't Apple already drop xServe like a bad habit?

 

[BC2009]

How will they make it cloud? lol

You know.... vaporware. OSX Server will turn to vapor. I actually hope not, especially since the Mac Mini Server has been very popular from what I have heard.

 

[DakotaGuy]

And every k-12 educational institution will dump OS X faster than a (insert generic saying here).

Apple's market share of K-12 has been shrinking for years. I don't think you will find many school districts that are exclusive Apple anymore. In fact, I would be willing to bet that Microsoft has a much higher percentage of K-12 then Apple does these days.

 

[Nuvi]

I'm very sorry but I really can't help myself and I got to say this or I'll go crazy.

NO ****ING WAY!

This is insane! This can't be happening! This is beyond bad for all professionals using Mac based systems. First Xserve, next Final Cut Server (directly effecting media industry) so whats there to come? Adobe slowing down dev? End of CS dev? God this is BAD!

 

[Saladinos]

First Steve takes another leave for health reasons.
Then we hear Apple want to integrate Safari in to iTunes.
Now they're dumping the server market entirely?!

How long before the Mac itself gets dropped?

So long, Apple. It was fun while it lasted. Far from being forward-thinking, I'm now starting to wonder if you're just dumbing-down computing. At least professional and scientific computing still had a place when Microsoft was the man...

Oh, Bill Gates! Where art thou?!

 

[iFrankie]

It's no secret that Steve Jobs despises the enterprise department and products at Apple. He has never wanted to be in the enterprise side of things.

I'm surprised it has taken this long to discontinue all server products.

I've implemented and deployed Xserves and Xserve RAIDs over the years. They are great systems that are very dependable. It's a shame to see them go, but it's probably for the best. You want the company to stand behind its products. It's hard to do that when Steve Jobs doesn't like the idea of having the product in the first place.

 

[alhumphrey]

This was a Pro company

people keep saying that apple are a consumer company pro stuff doesn't matter.

It does.

Apple started there come back with pro stuff. Big machines that catered for the top 10% of computer needs. The late G4 and G5 power macs were miles ahead of anything else. Take away the big high end machines and 10+ year old customer relations go out the widow.

I am a photographer and when I buy my mac I like to know I will do what I need to do for 3 years plus.

And selling sever sales are staring to go up mainly because of the mac mini server. I help a friend who has server at IP House in London and there a 3 full rack cabinets of mac mini server and each time I go up there are more of them.

People brought Mac after using iPods, iPhone or iPads. Now companies have iPhone, iPad and macs in the work place serves come next. I can set up and look after an apple server in my sleep but windows linux I wouldn't even bother trying. I haven't used a windows based client in 8 years ****** I don't even think I would know how anymore.

Other companies 'scraped' pro or business lines and have gone to the dogs.

 

[faroZ06]

ok...?

So what, I still have my OS X Server even if it's discontinued. If you want it, buy it. My computer is from 2006, but it's not old since I don't update it

These products are a waste of Apple's time. Notice how Apple hasn't upgraded the iPod "classic" since around 2006, and they haven't been upgrading the Macs very much either.

They'd do best with consumer computers and portable devices.

And those mentioning "clouds", servers ARE clouds!

 

[Lesser Evets]

How will they make it cloud? lol

haha One day everything will be cloud and we will just imagine we are using iPads and Macs.

 

[faroZ06]

people keep saying that apple are a consumer company pro stuff doesn't matter.

It does.

Apple started there come back with pro stuff. Big machines that catered for the top 10% of computer needs. The late G4 and G5 power macs were miles ahead of anything else. Take away the big high end machines and 10+ year old customer relations go out the widow.

I am a photographer and when I buy my mac I like to know I will do what I need to do for 3 years plus.

And selling sever sales are staring to go up mainly because of the mac mini server. I help a friend who has server at IP House in London and there a 3 full rack cabinets of mac mini server and each time I go up there are more of them.

People brought Mac after using iPods, iPhone or iPads. Now companies have iPhone, iPad and macs in the work place serves come next. I can set up and look after an apple server in my sleep but windows linux I wouldn't even bother trying. I haven't used a windows based client in 8 years ****** I don't even think I would know how anymore.

Other companies 'scraped' pro or business lines and have gone to the dogs.

Apple was in the doghouse until they went consumer with the iPod and later the iPhone. They were almost doomed.

 

[Hurda]

iDevices is where the cash is, X-stuff is a dog, simple economics.
And all your bought server-stuff won't miraculously stop working, chill out.

 

[faroZ06]

I'm very sorry but I really can't help myself and I got to say this or I'll go crazy.

NO ****ING WAY!

This is insane! This can't be happening! This is beyond bad for all professionals using Mac based systems. First Xserve, next Final Cut Server (directly effecting media industry) so whats there to come? Adobe slowing down dev? End of CS dev? God this is BAD!

The only way is to educate the consumers to make them more proffessional or nerdy

More consumers buying iPhones at $200 is way better than a few people buying $6000 servers. And Adobe is down the pit, they should focus on Photoshop and other drawing applications because the rest of their stuff sucks, ESPECIALLY FLASH!

 

[Starship77]

Apple runs it's own servers on what? PC's with Linux?

 

[yadmonkey]

First Steve takes another leave for health reasons.
Then we hear Apple want to integrate Safari in to iTunes.
Now they're dumping the server market entirely?!

Deep breath time. The Safari/iTunes rumor has the word "questionable" in the title. Every rumor is questionable by nature, but this was highlighted, so really what are you getting upset about.

Personally I find the server stuff disconcerting, but we have to keep in mind that this is another rumor based on a hardmac.com article with its own disclaimers about speculation. I'd be surprised if Apple abandons OS X Server entirely, if only because I think they must realize that even if they don't make much on OS X Server it in and of itself, it is a key part of their larger picture. It increases the value of their consumer products by providing a platform on which a small business can run.

Or maybe Apple has become obtuse enough to drop it after 10.7. Maybe, maybe not, but no use getting worked up over a couple of vague rumors.

 

[miles01110]

They were almost doomed. What companies went from pro to consumer and died???

Palm. Micron. Kodak. Almost HP.

 

[faroZ06]

iDevices is where the cash is, X-stuff is a dog, simple economics.
And all your bought server-stuff won't miraculously stop working, chill out.

That's what I said; as long as the hardware doesn't eliminate the software (like Apple switching to another processor), the Mac OS X Server software works.

My 2006 iMac is as brand new as it was in 2006. What about time makes a computer old?

 

[Consultant]

First Steve takes another leave for health reasons.
Then we hear Apple want to integrate Safari in to iTunes.
Now they're dumping the server market entirely?!

How long before the Mac itself gets dropped?

So long, Apple. It was fun while it lasted. Far from being forward-thinking, I'm now starting to wonder if you're just dumbing-down computing. At least professional and scientific computing still had a place when Microsoft was the man...

Oh, Bill Gates! Where art thou?!

You forgot the smileys.

Apparently you have never used an iOS device before.

Apple is not dropping Mac OS X, because it is the center of digital hub. But lots of things can be done on iOS.

 

[Speedy2]

That would only be a logical step.
Do away with the things that don't sell, focus on the things that do.

I couldn't care less about Apple's server offerings. They are weak and incomplete. There is no strategy for corporate-level service. Making Apple competitive in this area requires huge investments, which would only be a distraction from their core business. There are strong, deeply entrenched players in the corporate field, and Apple has no leverage to attack them.

 

[faroZ06]

Palm. Micron. Kodak. Almost HP.

Actually, you're right about those, I take back what I said about "what went consumer and died?"

But Apple is GOOD at being consumer. Face it, the Palm Pre was a joke. HP PCs are horrible. Kodak makes the most annoying printers and cameras known to man with their easyshare garbage.

Apple makes the best smartphones, MP3 players, and laptops.

 

[Yebubbleman]

I don't know how there's any way to allow OS X Server to run only on x86 Servers. If it can run on X86 Servers, can't it run on x86 workstations? At that point, anyone can run it on anything they want, and you lose one of the biggest reasons there is to buy Mac desktops and laptops.

Sure, they couldn't limit it to Servers, but they could limit it to Intel Xeon-based hardware by simply tweaking the version of the kernel that ships with Mac OS X Server. That simply replaces the task of hacking dsmos.kext with patching the kernel, it's not like they'd be making the Vanilla kernel any easier to run with.

Never really understood why people were surprised the XServe was axed. Who knew that companies would ever figure out they can get the same hardware for half the price if they go with Dells.

It's true, while the Mac Pro is actually a bargain for its price, the Xserve was not. Though my guess is that the Xserve had much more of a point during its PowerPC days than it does with an x86 chip inside.

Yep, this is all starting to happen. Sooner than I thought, though. I think we've seen the last Mac Pro revision, too.

THAT'S ridiculous. They are not getting rid of the Mac Pro; they're just not marketing it to consumers anymore as the 27" iMac tends to serve most high-end consumers just fine.

First Steve takes another leave for health reasons.
Then we hear Apple want to integrate Safari in to iTunes.
Now they're dumping the server market entirely?!

How long before the Mac itself gets dropped?

So long, Apple. It was fun while it lasted. Far from being forward-thinking, I'm now starting to wonder if you're just dumbing-down computing. At least professional and scientific computing still had a place when Microsoft was the man...

Oh, Bill Gates! Where art thou?!

Chill dude, it's only a rumor.

iDevices is where the cash is, X-stuff is a dog, simple economics.
And all your bought server-stuff won't miraculously stop working, chill out.

I think they're not worried about what they HAVE bought anywhere near as much as what they HAVE YET TO buy. I could be wrong though.