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Apple Considering Discontinuing More Server-Focused Products?

"I think they're not worried about what they HAVE bought anywhere near as much as what they HAVE YET TO buy. I could be wrong though."

Yeah, if Apple drops the server products, Mac OS X Server should still work for a while. I don't see that changing too fast. I myself am a noob Mac server owner fyi.
 
Hurda said:
iDevices is where the cash is, X-stuff is a dog, simple economics.
And all your bought server-stuff won't miraculously stop working, chill out.
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Um, the iDevices are built on X-stuff. And your "simple economics" are extremely short-sighted. If you think Apple is content with maybe 10% of the home computing market, you're missing a lot of potential. Starting with 10.7, Mac OS X will start resembling iOS more and more. Can you guess why?

It doesn't matter that the iOS devices outshine their computers in the raw figures - Apple makes good margins on their Mac line and there's only a ton of potential for more market share.

Also, I don't think you know what "miraculous" means.
 
Define The Cloud

sterno74 said:
Honestly I'm kind of surprised it took this long. When they first conceived of an Apple server it made some sense, but as Cloud computing becomes more dominant, the justification for servers like this is dwindling. Where the real growth is in the market is the ability to make very low cost very low energy consumption servers in large quantities. There's no growth in this market for the kind of hardware Apple was selling.

So while I'm sure Apple's servers were high quality, the reality is they weren't in very high demand and there was no reason to think that would change anytime soon. So a smart choice.
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Don't you think that the "cloud" needs software and hardware too? Ar you expecting serious client software to use some generic cloud (with ability to synchronize contacts as a hilite)?
 
Consultant said:
You forgot the smileys.

Apparently you have never used an iOS device before.

Apple is not dropping Mac OS X, because it is the center of digital hub. But lots of things can be done on iOS.
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But vast majority of things can't be done on iOS. Mac is perfect platform for creative professionals but day by day we get rumors how this and that professional product is discontinued. Lets face its iOS is not for creating. Its for consuming the media. Mac infrastructure is an investment and iOS devices are more or less toys that can be easily replaced.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Incredible timing. Our sister company switched all 9 of their workstations over to macs last week, and today sent me an email asking for a recommendation to replace their dyspeptic Exch Server 03, with something simple & easy to run.

"Easy, an Appl...... hm. Ehhh, dunno?"

Wundebar.
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You didn't really think that OS X Server would be in any way a replacement for Exchange, did you?

And 9 users? How about getting hosted Exchange accounts?
 
Apple should partner with a good, established server hardware manufacturer that could offer OS X Server machines, such as SuperMicro.

They're not a direct competitor in other areas such as Dell, HP or IBM. And SuperMicro offers a lot of different chassis configurations, and that's the thing that always limited the XServer, is the tiny 1-U form factor with limited drive space.
 
faroZ06 said:
Actually, you're right about those, I take back what I said about "what went consumer and died?"

But Apple is GOOD at being consumer. Face it, the Palm Pre was a joke. HP PCs are horrible. Kodak makes the most annoying printers and cameras known to man with their easyshare garbage.

Apple makes the best smartphones, MP3 players, and laptops.
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So why cant they keep making the best server software. Im not to bothered about the hardware cause there will always be a mac to run it on. I cant edit photos with my fingers on an iPad, iv'e tried.

And tbh most of the stuff in osx server are liunx ad ons, so apple arn't paying hugh dev cost as someone else is doing the work for them. But it all being tied together in a nice neat packet. Thats worth paying for.
 
yadmonkey said:
Um, the iDevices are built on X-stuff. And your "simple economics" are extremely short-sighted. If you think Apple is content with maybe 10% of the home computing market, you're missing a lot of potential. Starting with 10.7, Mac OS X will start resembling iOS more and more. Can you guess why?

It doesn't matter that the iOS devices outshine their computers in the raw figures - Apple makes good margins on their Mac line and there's only a ton of potential for more market share.

Also, I don't think you know what "miraculous" means.
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Since when is iOS based off of X-devices? He means X as in xserver, xsan, etc, right? Sorry, I see no resemblance. iOS is made from Mac OS X PC, but not from Mac OS X Server, which was from Mac OS X PC.

Apple will not stop their Macs, but it would be logical to get rid of their server stuff. Although the Mac OS X Server is the best one in my opinion, people just use Linux or (shudder) Windows. The only reason Mac OS X Server sucks, and a valid reason, is that it only runs on Apple hardware. This means that it's not as versatile, which a server should be.
 
Speedy2 said:
You didn't really think that OS X Server would be in any way a replacement for Exchange, did you?

And 9 users? How about getting hosted Exchange accounts?
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with push notification SL server beats the exchange hands down at the moment, just on licensing cost.
 
miles01110 said:
Never really understood why people were surprised the XServe was axed. Who knew that companies would ever figure out they can get the same hardware for half the price if they go with Dells.
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The same hardware wasn't more expensive. It was the fact that there were no cheaper configurations and of course no professional service&support from Apple. You had to rely on some local company to do the job. That might be ok for big companies (which never bought Apple servers anyway), but not for the smaller businesses.
 
alhumphrey said:
with push notification SL server beats the exchange hands down at the moment, just on licensing cost.
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Yes, our school uses Windows server. It is the biggest piece of @#$%in @#$% I have ever seen. I'd never buy that even if it was -$100 :eek:.

Exchange sucks, crashes, and is not compatible in general. Mac OS X Server does a good job with POP and IMAP. I love how the Mac OS X Server, in contrast to Windows, lets you host user accounts that actually keep the user's home folder in a tidy fashion (Windows doesn't) and let you log on elsewhere and get your exact same user.
 
Next will be the Mac pro. Everything will go through the cloud. Microsoft will be doing the same thing too. All your company will need is the router and all your computers will go through who ever service you sign up on. Almost like back in the AOL, Delphi days.
Hate to say it but if your in IT, better go find another job as the only thing that will need fixing are home and business computers unless your lucky enough to work for apple, Microsoft or google managing their server farms. Cloud base computing will put allot of folks on the unemployment line. Glad I decided not to go into the IT business after getting my degree. The cloud is going to suck! (for a price too).
 
faroZ06 said:
Since when is iOS based off of X-devices? He means X as in xserver, xsan, etc, right? Sorry, I see no resemblance. iOS is made from Mac OS X PC, but not from Mac OS X Server, which was from Mac OS X PC.

Apple will not stop their Macs, but it would be logical to get rid of their server stuff. Although the Mac OS X Server is the best one in my opinion, people just use Linux or (shudder) Windows. The only reason Mac OS X Server sucks, and a valid reason, is that it only runs on Apple hardware. This means that it's not as versatile, which a server should be.
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After I wrote this I considered that maybe I read the guy wrong, but he wasn't exactly clear by using "x-stuff" and contrasting it with "iDevices". Sounded like the old argument that Apple will drop the Mac in favor of iOS devices, but maybe that's not what he meant.

Regardless, I think something a lot of people miss is that while Apple's server products don't make much $$ for Apple directly, they add a lot of value to the Mac product line overall. For this reason, I would hope they'll at least continue developing OS X Server.
 
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Apple stock price

Open question how has apples stock price gone UP. Just checked and its up 2.80 not a lot but. come on. CEO goes on leave, and well this lot.
 
faroZ06 said:
More consumers buying iPhones at $200 is way better than a few people buying $6000 servers. And Adobe is down the pit, they should focus on Photoshop and other drawing applications because the rest of their stuff sucks, ESPECIALLY FLASH!
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Honestly, I use Mac in creative professional environment. You most likely don't. Adobe has many great products that are vital to creative professionals. You clearly have no idea. Enough said.
 
bearcatrp said:
Next will be the Mac pro. Everything will go through the cloud. Microsoft will be doing the same thing too. All your company will need is the router and all your computers will go through who ever service you sign up on. Almost like back in the AOL, Delphi days.
Hate to say it but if your in IT, better go find another job as the only thing that will need fixing are home and business computers unless your lucky enough to work for apple, Microsoft or google managing their server farms. Cloud base computing will put allot of folks on the unemployment line. Glad I decided not to go into the IT business after getting my degree. The cloud is going to suck! (for a price too).
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The Mac Pro isn't going anywhere and saying that the cloud will replace our servers is like saying we'll be able to have eggs without the chickens to lay them. Maybe the IT business wasn't meant for you after all. :p
 
yadmonkey said:
After I wrote this I considered that maybe I read the guy wrong, but he wasn't exactly clear by using "x-stuff" and contrasting it with "iDevices".

Regardless, I think something a lot of people miss is that while Apple's server products don't make much $$ for Apple directly, they add a lot of value to the Mac product line overall. For this reason, I would hope they'll at least continue developing OS X Server.
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Yes, I agree, the server software is nice. I don't really care for the Xserve at all.

Also, to the guy mentioning the stock prices, the market has been closed all weekend. Jobs announced that he was leaving during the weekend. Apple's gain that you see is from Friday.
 
alhumphrey said:
people keep saying that apple are a consumer company pro stuff doesn't matter.

It does.

Apple started there come back with pro stuff. Big machines that catered for the top 10% of computer needs.
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Uhm, how about no?
They started their comeback with a brand new design that was entirely aimed at 100% of consumers: the iMac.
And their actual breakthrough came with the iPod.
No corporate hardware or software involved in any of this.

Your claim that you'd need consumer&pro integrated doesn't make sense at all. Companies like IBM, Oracle etc are ENTIRELY corporate. They don't need consumer products at all and are still hugely successful. Same way that Apple doesn't need corporate products to be the most valuable IT company in the world.
 
Apple Compute --> Apple --> Apple Consumer Electronics


Face it pro's....we picked the wrong horse. Sad to say, hard to admit, but the facts are the facts.

Apple has moved from the company for people who love computers to the company for people who love style.

We are just not welcome in the 'New Apple'. We were useful while the company was ailing, but we have served our function and Apple Consumer Electronics is ready to focus on the more consumer side of the market.
 
Nuvi said:
Honestly, I use Mac in creative professional environment. You most likely don't. Adobe has many great products that are vital to creative professionals. You clearly have no idea. Enough said.
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I use Adobe at school in a creative environment. Premier is glitchy and annoying, basically FCE but worse. Flash is also annoying to use, but the main drawback is that the FLVs and SWFs from it lag computers a lot. This is why I never really use Flash Player on Safari. Audition is way worse since Premier is already bad.

Sorry to sound like an anti-Adobe maniac in my post, but I really don't see anything that they make that is good today other than Illustrator and Photoshop.
 
faroZ06 said:
Also, to the guy mentioning the stock prices, the market has been closed all weekend. Jobs announced that he was leaving during the weekend. Apple's gain that you see is from Friday.
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Yes after looking deeper I see the stock market is closed as you have a bank holiday. I'm in the UK so was unaware of the bank holiday.
 
alhumphrey said:
Yes after looking deeper I see the stock market is closed as you have a bank holiday. I'm in the UK so was unaware of the bank holiday.
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Ah, I see. I wish the Stock widget and Nasdaq would just not show gains for stuff that's been closed due to holiday.
 
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