remember... a vast majority of people don't feel that way. Apple is selling to them. Anyone who relishes the concept of 'root' is not their marketing sweetspot. There are probably a 1,000 people for every person who knows how to partition a drive. Apple is selling to those people.
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remember... a vast majority of people don't feel that way. Apple is selling to them. Anyone who relishes the concept of 'root' is not their marketing sweetspot. There are probably a 1,000 people for every person who knows how to partition a drive. Apple is selling to those people.
Why does Apple need a data center? They should just store everything in the cloud, then there's no need for a data center.
Just put me in charge of Apple, and I'd save them millions.
Just put me in charge of Apple, and I'd save them millions.
iSwatter?
Hey, Apple, there's an empty warehouse with nearly a million square feet just up the road in Greensboro, if you're interested.
Yeah, I'm not into cloud storage of my data at all. Especially since I don't have a real high speed ISP. Even if I did have good broadband, I still wouldn't do it.
I just don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about storing my data on some other servers in BFE. I'd rather do my own storage and backup locally,
I just don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about storing my data on some other servers in BFE. I'd rather do my own storage and backup locally,
Maybe you should have put a couple of
or /sarcasm tags in there. Because I'm I'm kinda right now..Total Cloud Computing? No Thanks!
There is one flaw in this theory. Apple doesn't yet have control over this country's wifi and cellular networks. I can't see Jobs going for such a drastic change with having so little control to ensure quality with the internet. He'd have to depend on the connections of many different ISP's to ensure that this cloud concept be even somewhat feasible. Last time I checked, Jobs wasn't a "somewhat feasible" kind of guy (ie. 4G, Blueray, etc.). I could imagine portions of the computer be cloud based, but to eliminate high capacity hard drives when they are continuously getting smaller, larger in capacity, and cheaper? It's not logical to have cloud over high capacity drives.
My take? Given the increase cost potential by Foxconn and suicides overseas, who is to say that they wouldn't want to use this massive facility for simply building their own parts for all of their devices? Brings jobs (pun not intended) back into this country along with more revenue.
Lastly, even if Jobs did go against what I think is his better judgement, I would fight kicking and screaming having to move to a fully cloud based setup simply because I personally would only ever trust a wifi connection fully if it had the Apple branding on it. I will be starting my third ISP contract with my third company since having moved out of my parent's house (2 years or so) this next month. They all seem to stink and not be that reliable in my area.
There is one flaw in this theory. Apple doesn't yet have control over this country's wifi and cellular networks. I can't see Jobs going for such a drastic change with having so little control to ensure quality with the internet. He'd have to depend on the connections of many different ISP's to ensure that this cloud concept be even somewhat feasible. Last time I checked, Jobs wasn't a "somewhat feasible" kind of guy (ie. 4G, Blueray, etc.). I could imagine portions of the computer be cloud based, but to eliminate high capacity hard drives when they are continuously getting smaller, larger in capacity, and cheaper? It's not logical to have cloud over high capacity drives.
My take? Given the increase cost potential by Foxconn and suicides overseas, who is to say that they wouldn't want to use this massive facility for simply building their own parts for all of their devices? Brings jobs (pun not intended) back into this country along with more revenue.
Lastly, even if Jobs did go against what I think is his better judgement, I would fight kicking and screaming having to move to a fully cloud based setup simply because I personally would only ever trust a wifi connection fully if it had the Apple branding on it. I will be starting my third ISP contract with my third company since having moved out of my parent's house (2 years or so) this next month. They all seem to stink and not be that reliable in my area.
Where do you think the cloud resides? It is data centers that companies maintain that are the cloud.
It overlaps the low end MacBooks already in a lot of ways. I think high end notebooks will need to be thicker to house all of the ports and larger screens, etc.
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For everyone having serious problems with the cloud...
It's pretty certain that most of your data will be there in the future, the same way that most of your money is in a bank today. Folks that say they'll keep everything local are a little like people who keep their money stuffed in their mattress.
Networks are much faster than disk access was just a few years back. In the near future, broadband and wireless rates will pass by the datarates of harddrives from the 90's. You'll have a few terabytes Cached data near you, (maybe in your home or a device cache). The live copy of your exobyte of encrypted stuff will live in the cloud.
Data dedeplication will make it so that only one copy of a holobook or 5d movie needs to be stored, even if a billion people "downloaded" it to their private data store. Data will be redundantly stored and available in several geographies in case there is an earthquake, typhoon, etc.
The only folks that ever lose data, will be those poor sods that kept all there data in their home. House fires, theft and floods are bad news for data. Hope you use an off site data backup facility. (there is one in the cloud you could use. Oh, nevermind, I forgot you don't like the cloud.)
Call me old-fashioned (guess I am) but there is no way that I will trust a private company, especially an American one with ANY sensitive data voluntarily about myself. Apple probably have the technology to scan my machines whenever they want anyway. We are already carrying tracking devices aka mobile phones.
This new cloud is a can of worms waiting to be released. Information about individuals is a powerful tool in the wrong hands should they want to target you.
The power the individual is surrendering to the cloud by a concern whose main objective is to make money and whose data can easily be accessed by employees, state security services and hackers is scary.
One could write a thriller of a Hollywood script about the coming cloud and the consequences.
This new cloud is a can of worms waiting to be released. Information about individuals is a powerful tool in the wrong hands should they want to target you.
The power the individual is surrendering to the cloud by a concern whose main objective is to make money and whose data can easily be accessed by employees, state security services and hackers is scary.
One could write a thriller of a Hollywood script about the coming cloud and the consequences.
There is one flaw in this theory. Apple doesn't yet have control over this country's wifi and cellular networks. I can't see Jobs going for such a drastic change with having so little control to ensure quality with the internet. He'd have to depend on the connections of many different ISP's to ensure that this cloud concept be even somewhat feasible. Last time I checked, Jobs wasn't a "somewhat feasible" kind of guy (ie. 4G, Blueray, etc.). I could imagine portions of the computer be cloud based, but to eliminate high capacity hard drives when they are continuously getting smaller, larger in capacity, and cheaper? It's not logical to have cloud over high capacity drives.
My take? Given the increase cost potential by Foxconn and suicides overseas, who is to say that they wouldn't want to use this massive facility for simply building their own parts for all of their devices? Brings jobs (pun not intended) back into this country along with more revenue.
Lastly, even if Jobs did go against what I think is his better judgement, I would fight kicking and screaming having to move to a fully cloud based setup simply because I personally would only ever trust a wifi connection fully if it had the Apple branding on it. I will be starting my third ISP contract with my third company since having moved out of my parent's house (2 years or so) this next month. They all seem to stink and not be that reliable in my area.
Your not going to see an instant entire cloud base experience, it will be segmented in implementation.
Lol only trust a wifi connection that has apple branding? You know that Apple doesn't own or create the encryption used on these devices right? It's an industry standard all manufactures have.
I picture them keeping the footprint of the 15" & 17" Macbook Pros, but yanking out the disc drive and switching them to 256/512 SSD drives. It will still be a power machine but with the elegance and thinness of the Air. The extra size will allow for bigger batteries to power it as well.
True. Surprisingly, to me, is that less than 25% of the working population in the US has a college degree, under 10% an Advanced degree. There are many who just want something that works. Albeit, that is likely not the population on this board
No I didn't detect sarcasm, I detected contradiction (or lack of knowledge) based on the way it was written.
This is basically Steve Jobs's NAS.
Seriously though, I can't see the proposed strategy working. I know the company I work for expressly prohibits storing any company data on an external cloud, because of the security risks involved, and Apple has never been a B2B organization. Its one thing to use something like Facebook to chit chat with friends, but to put your actual data up in a cloud... I just can see it happening for notebooks... which are by and large used significantly for business work. I'm considering whether my 15" MBP could be replaced with a new Air, and this would NOT be helping me go that way.
Seriously though, I can't see the proposed strategy working. I know the company I work for expressly prohibits storing any company data on an external cloud, because of the security risks involved, and Apple has never been a B2B organization. Its one thing to use something like Facebook to chit chat with friends, but to put your actual data up in a cloud... I just can see it happening for notebooks... which are by and large used significantly for business work. I'm considering whether my 15" MBP could be replaced with a new Air, and this would NOT be helping me go that way.
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Fail...density of flash storage is increasing far faster than internet bandwidth...for this to work people would need much faster internet (I am talking speeds like SATA offers) and unlimited bandwidth...cheaper and larger flash chips will be available before any current provider offers internet like that
Fail...density of flash storage is increasing far faster than internet bandwidth...for this to work people would need much faster internet (I am talking speeds like SATA offers) and unlimited bandwidth...cheaper and larger flash chips will be available before any current provider offers internet like that
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p.s. the air is way overhyped. Get a 13.3" macbook pro and slap an SSD in it and it will be cheaper than an air and better than an air in every possible way except thinness and weight...the macbook pro is already thin and light enough for 99% of people
p.s. the air is way overhyped. Get a 13.3" macbook pro and slap an SSD in it and it will be cheaper than an air and better than an air in every possible way except thinness and weight...the macbook pro is already thin and light enough for 99% of people
It's amusing that they're being forward thinking, but there's 3 major limitations.
1) Most people's home Internet speeds are mediocre, at best. This often means slow media uptake and delivery, which would be synonymous to a super slow HDD.
2) ISP's. Most ISP's suck. They overcharge per/GB, either have caps, or partake in traffic shaping. Large volumes of traffic usually slows their networks down exponentially, and they will be the weakest link in this system. Unless they ALL move to unlimited data and good speeds (10+Mbps w/o shaping), this plan will never work.
3) Of course people then bring up this point in light of 2, cellphone service providers. They're just as bad as your ISP, in fact in all cases, worse. They traffic shape, have horrible NAT filters, even more limited speeds, and worst of all, charge a hyper inflated cost/GB. If having 3G+ service meant that you could get unlimited data at good speeds per a reasonable price, then these cellphone providers could actually supplant regular ISP's, and everyone could have wireless Internet anywhere. Maybe someday.
The bottom line is that it's not going to work for at least the next 10 years.
1) Most people's home Internet speeds are mediocre, at best. This often means slow media uptake and delivery, which would be synonymous to a super slow HDD.
2) ISP's. Most ISP's suck. They overcharge per/GB, either have caps, or partake in traffic shaping. Large volumes of traffic usually slows their networks down exponentially, and they will be the weakest link in this system. Unless they ALL move to unlimited data and good speeds (10+Mbps w/o shaping), this plan will never work.
3) Of course people then bring up this point in light of 2, cellphone service providers. They're just as bad as your ISP, in fact in all cases, worse. They traffic shape, have horrible NAT filters, even more limited speeds, and worst of all, charge a hyper inflated cost/GB. If having 3G+ service meant that you could get unlimited data at good speeds per a reasonable price, then these cellphone providers could actually supplant regular ISP's, and everyone could have wireless Internet anywhere. Maybe someday.
The bottom line is that it's not going to work for at least the next 10 years.
They are no doubt thinking what they'll need 5+ years out.
I see in 2-3 years all of the capabilities of the iPad, iPhone and the MBA combined into a faster, solar & motion powered device with a detachable/wireless keyboard.
Use it like the MBA. (No more MBP.)
Use it mounted at face level with the keyboard on your lap.
Use it like an iPad.
Use it as your phone.
Have access to everything at home and at work.
Apple is starting to target CORPORATIONS with their hardware. They are looking for companies who will buy 1000's or 10's of 1000's of devices. They are also looking at small businesses using the "cloud" instead of having costly internal servers.
I'm not sure there will ever be a "Have to" as long as there is competition and demand for other options.
You'll still be able to buy all the hardware you want from newegg!
Millions of people WILL demand this though. Thousands of business will DEFINITELY want the hardware used for cloud computing for millions of employees.
Anyone who has had a computer crash and lost data. Or anyone who's had a flood or fire and lost all their data... WILL see the advantages of the cloud. There's a reason why services like carbonite exist! (And gotomypc for that matter.)
Most professionals and business already use "cloud computing" in a way. Everything I do at work is on a server... the only thing on my laptop is software. I can access everything in my companies "cloud" anywhere. If I don't have a piece of software installed that I need to use, it's pulled from the network ("cloud") and installed.
Oh yea, almost forgot, we're already using iPad's for internal "cloud computing" where I work.
It's the future. Anyone who doesn't think it is needs to dream a little more!
I see in 2-3 years all of the capabilities of the iPad, iPhone and the MBA combined into a faster, solar & motion powered device with a detachable/wireless keyboard.
Use it like the MBA. (No more MBP.)
Use it mounted at face level with the keyboard on your lap.
Use it like an iPad.
Use it as your phone.
Have access to everything at home and at work.
Apple is starting to target CORPORATIONS with their hardware. They are looking for companies who will buy 1000's or 10's of 1000's of devices. They are also looking at small businesses using the "cloud" instead of having costly internal servers.
I'm not sure there will ever be a "Have to" as long as there is competition and demand for other options.
You'll still be able to buy all the hardware you want from newegg!
Millions of people WILL demand this though. Thousands of business will DEFINITELY want the hardware used for cloud computing for millions of employees.
Anyone who has had a computer crash and lost data. Or anyone who's had a flood or fire and lost all their data... WILL see the advantages of the cloud. There's a reason why services like carbonite exist! (And gotomypc for that matter.)
Most professionals and business already use "cloud computing" in a way. Everything I do at work is on a server... the only thing on my laptop is software. I can access everything in my companies "cloud" anywhere. If I don't have a piece of software installed that I need to use, it's pulled from the network ("cloud") and installed.
Oh yea, almost forgot, we're already using iPad's for internal "cloud computing" where I work.
It's the future. Anyone who doesn't think it is needs to dream a little more!
The medium sized Air drive, 128 Gb, is larger than the hard drives from only a couple of years ago on the MacBook Pro and PowerBook computers.
Productivity stuff doesn't take much space, but media does.
Rocketman
Productivity stuff doesn't take much space, but media does.
Rocketman