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Just when you thought real estate prices couldn't get any higher in the San Jose area...
 
So Apple is doomed because they're running out of real estate in Cupertino? What should Cook do, fire a bunch of people, stop hiring and stop investing in anything new?

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what's the point of the Donut then?

besides its as behind schedule as an Apple Watch shipment

this company seems more and more lost every day :(

Because Apple needs space now and the new campus isn't ready yet. I'm not sure how that suggests the company is lost...
 
Too much money but not enough to throw in an adapter with their new Macbook retina 12" systems.

I was with you at first, until I thought of two things.

1. These adapters will not be proprietary like MagSafe, so there will be plenty of less expensive, third party adapters. Good Guy Apple is helping promote sales for these other companies by keeping their prices high.

2. They are trying to push people to go wireless. People hate change, then will incentivize people to actually try "new" technologies. Much like the DVD drive being taken out of most of their computers, at first everyone was pissed, now -who the hell uses them?
 
They won't though - Cook is a moron when it comes to the product. He babbles on about 'only Apple can do this' but is completely clueless when it comes to the computer engineering/operating system design choices that facilitated this.

Sigh.

Another "Cook is a moron" statement...

May I ask which products you've launched and which multi-billion dollar company you're (successfully) running?
 
I don't understand couldn't apple keep expanding their new campus by adding additional rings around the office building?

I guess Cupertino can't handle the traffic load.

This would be a good idea if Apple was running a conventional chicken farming business.
 
Too much money but not enough to throw in an adapter with their new Macbook retina 12" systems.

Yes! They should also throw in a of 5.25" floppy drive, some DIN-9 printer adapters, and a VGA cable too!

Why can't they support everything??? Apple scumbags!!!
 
San Jose is home to a number of large technology companies, including Adobe, Cisco, eBay and IBM, but has failed to attract heavyweights such as Facebook, Google and LinkedIn.

LinkedIn? THEY are a heavyweight? They are a dumbed down Facebook for business, but somehow they are worth $24B. Adobe, Cisco, eBay and IBM are the heavyweights in San Jose, and Facebook/Google are the heavyweights missing. LinkedIn does nothing of real value.
 
In response to those that say stop splitting employees all over the place..

1) It's never a great idea to put all your staff in one place.

2) It's harder to find talent that lives 2-3 hours away to move just for you.

3) It's harder to sell the building if they ever had to.


By spreading out and leasing/buying smaller buildings, Apple can turn it around quickly if they ever had to downsize or get out of that city.
 
Sigh.

Another "Cook is a moron" statement...

May I ask which products you've launched and which multi-billion dollar company you're (successfully) running?

you probably aren't either. your point? I love Apple, I live and breathe the company, and I care about the product and future product strategy. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how terrible the company is presently being run with respect to the markets that Apple chooses to compete in or some of the aesthetic design choices that have compromised functionality (pretty much all of their consumer desktop/laptop designs. Ever wonder why Apple marketshare growth has slowed to a crawl?)
 
This.

Didn't Apple once get into trouble for chasing profit, not marketshare?

I know marketshare is not everything: You need profit to stay in business. But still... even without iPhone, their profits would match that of Google.

So, could they just start giving iPhones away to boost their market share? No, that's probably too far the other way.

I think the main problem is they're a publicly traded company, and they need to be seen to be constantly "growing". Why? They have enough profit to fund their operations and pay their staff.

If that was a private company, no one would worry. They could afford to do things like make the iPhone way cheaper to boost market share. Or spec their Macs a little better at the sake of profit.

Again... as long as they're still profitable enough to pay the staff and run the company.

In a way, it would be nice for Apple to just do that anyway, and if their stock price crashes, they can use some of their cash to buy themselves off the market. (Amazon's profits have pretty much stayed the same, despite revenue soaring, and their stock price is okay, so it's not a certainty their stock price would crash.)

But with so much of the leadership's compensation linked to the price and power of the company's stock, why wouldn't they want the stock price to continue to rise?

;)
 
It feels like Tim has given precedence to his fellow beancounters over the design team in final component choices. Perhaps this array of disconnected premises add the layers of poor communication. Or maybe Tim's just ******** the bed.

I think it's the design team having a little much clout along with accounting.

With over $100 billion in cash, would it kill them to create a second lineup of computers that have more power/functionality instead of thinness? This is why I'm selling my 13' rMBP while it still has some resale value, buying a second SSD for my existing desktop computer to have a hackintosh, and buying a 15' Dell Precision M4800.

It's those two groups that are turning me away from Apple.
 
Love it.

Apple has expanded into every available office in Cupertino. One campus operation is not physically possible right now, no matter how beneficial it may be.

Yet Apple is doomed because of this? You lot are jokers!
 
There wont be enough water to support the expansion construction.
There's like 5 or 6 gallons left in the san jose area. sad situation.
 
Sigh.

Another "Cook is a moron" statement...

May I ask which products you've launched and which multi-billion dollar company you're (successfully) running?

I think you and I agree Cook is far from moronic. To the contrary, I think he is a fantastic CEO. Most any other company would be fortunate to have someone like Cook at their helm. Then you go off the rails.

The poster has probably launched the same number of products and ran as many multi-billion dollar companies as you have.:rolleyes: Hyperbole doesn't help your argument. Facts and logic would; hyperbole - not so much.

Yes! They should also throw in a of 5.25" floppy drive, some DIN-9 printer adapters, and a VGA cable too!

Why can't they support everything??? Apple scumbags!!!

Hyperbole at it's finest.:rolleyes: By finest I mean unnecessarily over the top. Including an adapter with the MB is not an unreasonable request. It removes some of the animosity towards the MB, increases the "we care" factor, and could also add to someone's desire to buy the MB. Including an adaptor could be one more item in the plus column and not the minus.

5.25" floppy drive... now that's a potent argument.:D

On Topic: The extra real estate away from Campus 2 could house the more secret projects. With the world's focus on C2, satellite offices will be even less in focus than normal. You know, doubling down and all that.
 
Love it.

Apple has expanded into every available office in Cupertino. One campus operation is not physically possible right now, no matter how beneficial it may be.

Yet Apple is doomed because of this? You lot are jokers!

I swear some people won't be happy until Apple is this tiny company making niche computers for 1-2% of the market. The same people that refer to iOS devices as "iToys".
 
Hell No!
That area is one of the worst commute areas in the city. They should expand into Silver Creek complex along 85 and 101 freeway or take over IBM along 85 in south San Jose.

From Cupertino, they can zip south on 85 in 10 minutes.

At midnight maybe...

IMHO they should do what Google's doing and set up select operations down in Gilroy/Hollister. Still accessible to Cupertino (though by definition such operations need to accommodate independence from the mother-ship), but no infrastructure strain, and it's a lovely wine-country area (the state's oldest, in fact) with much more reasonable housing costs.
 
Very Interesting!

I don't know anything about the logistics, being on the east coast, but as far as the building goes, IT'S PERFECT! The GLASS is all there! Add giant Apple logo; good to go!
 
I'm actually surprised they don't have a skyscraper in SF. SalesForce is finishing up on one down here as we speak. To far up the peninsula for them(?)
 
Much like the DVD drive being taken out of most of their computers, at first everyone was pissed, now -who the hell uses them?

LOL, Mac uses don't use them much anymore. Keep in mind, Macs are a SMALL share of the computer marketplace. SMALL!!!
 
Who decides what's "too much" money and exactly why should they give you free things to adapt new technology to accommodate legacy gear?

How is powering the device and connecting to a 4K display at the same time a "legacy" operation?
 
Awaiting housing rent costs to skyrocket.

There's already a huge enough presence from Apple and tons of other large/popular tech companies in the overall area that an expansion like this isn't likely to result in something all that noticeable over the already inflated and constantly increasing prices.

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LinkedIn? THEY are a heavyweight? They are a dumbed down Facebook for business, but somehow they are worth $24B. Adobe, Cisco, eBay and IBM are the heavyweights in San Jose, and Facebook/Google are the heavyweights missing. LinkedIn does nothing of real value.
Probably because they are more than what you think they are. They aren't on the level of the other companies mentioned, but they are much bigger (in many senses of that word) than what's being implied there.
 
you probably aren't either. your point? I love Apple, I live and breathe the company, and I care about the product and future product strategy. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on how terrible the company is presently being run with respect to the markets that Apple chooses to compete in or some of the aesthetic design choices that have compromised functionality (pretty much all of their consumer desktop/laptop designs. Ever wonder why Apple marketshare growth has slowed to a crawl?)
who the hell wants marketshare?? what does marketshare really mean?? It means that the company has made too many compromises on quality just to sell more.

Just imagine if they made the Macbook Pro or iMac for marketshare. We'd be stuck with the load of crap the other useless junk manufacturers(HP, Dell, etc.) put out.

I think Tim Cook is the best CEO for Apple atm. He retains a lot of Apples old values and knows he is not technical genius, so he keeps away from poking his nose too much into the technical side of his products.

Plus he knows how to keep his group of talented lieutenants focused on the goal of making good products and makes the best possible decisions he can. And judging by the companies performance, Apple and Cook are doing a darn good job at the moment.
 
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