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If Apple made a car, they would almost certainly just design it and farm out the rest of the work to other companies, just as they already do for iPhones, Macs, etc.

Still they have to deal with repairs, distribution in the USA, warehousing, customer support if the car fails on the road, tow services, etc. Seems too much of a hassle to me for a tech company.
 
Apple will team up with Tesla. The Apple car will use the Tesla Supercharger network, and Apple will expand it for Tesla in trade for using what's already been built out.

Given Apple's current way of working I would expect them to outsource the manufacturing to an existing car maker like BMW and buy-in the electric engines from Tesla, leaving Apple to focus on the in-car experience.
 
Does anyone really still believe this is all about a suped up CarPlay or infotainment system for existing cars. Jeff Williams says the car is the ultimate mobile experience. Jony Ive hands off day to day duties so he can work on "new ideas and future initiatives". There's no doubt my mind Apple is working on something big here, much bigger than CarPlay. CarPlay is like iTunes on the ROKR.
This makes so much sense! Also Phil Schiller is really into cars. He'd be ecstatic to market and show off something like this. Also I had a ROKR before getting the original iPhone, and if the difference is that big then Apple is going to own 70% of automobile industry profits within five years. Hold on, let me go buy more stock…
 
Apple will team up with Tesla. The Apple car will use the Tesla Supercharger network, and Apple will expand it for Tesla in trade for using what's already been built out.

That would be awesome. Then Musk joins Apple's board, and three years later Jony Ive goes thermonuclear on Tesla for stealing the Apple Car's designs. Haha, but probably not since Musk is a pretty cool guy. He would make a great leader at Apple. I'd love for Apple to buy or merge with Tesla and make Musk CEO after Tim Cook retires in 2021 (well his contract is up then and he'll be 60. Not old at all but a good retirement age after leading Apple to be the most profitable company in the world. Alternatively if Apple bought/merged with Tesla they could keep the Tesla brand around, much like they did with Beats, and build their electric cars under that brand with integration from all the Apple devices and services. Keep things partially separate but not really.
 
Given Apple's current way of working I would expect them to outsource the manufacturing to an existing car maker like BMW and buy-in the electric engines from Tesla, leaving Apple to focus on the in-car experience.
It would be interesting to see if the existing auto manufacturers would dedicate plant time to a potential rival.
 
On one hand that will be great for experience, on the other it will suck for the folks that are really good at haggling.

I'd like to buy this car for $50 over invoice. Sorry, Apple doesn't offer any sales on products except maybe on Black Friday. Would you like the 3 year AppleCare for your vehicle sir? We also offer one-to-one training on your car.
 
The fact that they cracked mobile payments and haven't cracked TV says how ridiculously hard TV is.

Yeah that's why there a 10x more TV brands than PCs, and even the "copy-cat" Samsung has had no problem getting huge shares on the market in a few years.

Ah, rationalization...
 
This doesn't make sense. At all.

Apple is very LATE on the TV or the graphic or the HDD or the VR segment which are way more important, but it is focusing on developing self-driving cars?

WTH?
 
You forgot to mention Tesla. They are a newcomer to this market in comparison to the other carmakers. No economy cars, no dealers, wildly successful. There's no reason that Apple can't follow the same roadmap and get the same results. They've already proven that people will pay a premium price for computers, tablets, watches, phones and music players.

Apple has billions to get in the car business. They also have the people in place to revolutionize the industry. Karl Benz made the first automobile with an internal combustion engine in the late 1880's. Yet we are still using that basic technology today. Still relying on fossil fuels. Still slaves to oil rich nations. Apple has the power to change all that. Some people believed we'd have flying cars by now. Yet we are still chained the gas pump.
Tesla is "wildly successful"? LOL -- you must be reading a different financial statement.
 
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Still they have to deal with repairs, distribution in the USA, warehousing, customer support if the car fails on the road, tow services, etc. Seems too much of a hassle to me for a tech company.

No they don't. Every single one of those things can be farmed out to third parties. For example I got 3 years of BMW Roadside Assistance with my motorcycle purchase, and I assure you it's not BMW that shows up if I need a tow.

BMW doesn't even administer the service; I think it's Progressive with BMW rebranding. BMW probably just pays Progressive $20 (or whatever) per purchase and probably has a service level agreement that ensures Progressive's service is up to BMW's standards.
 
This is interesting. Betts got snap fired by Chrysler's CEO after the company came in at the bottom of nearly all quality control rankings last year.
 
Yeah, an AAPL car made of Saphire and Liquid Metal, with an integrated iTV and running on natural gaz collected in AAPL campuses and rumor sites...
 
Be interesting to know what they are actually working on. Cracking to car industry would be like Microsoft cracking the gaming console markert, not an easy ride.
 
Yeah, an AAPL car made of Saphire and Liquid Metal, with an integrated iTV and running on natural gaz collected in AAPL campuses and rumor sites...
And a one litre fuel tank.... I have to use the 1gb ram jokes up, before the iPhone 6s :p
 
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Someone over on the Jalopnik web site suggested what Apple is working on is NOT a car carrying passengers, but a fully autonomous vehicle--with no drivers!--used essentially for goods delivery:

http://jalopnik.com/i-have-a-radical-but-possible-idea-what-the-apple-car-w-1719352935

If the technology can be worked out, it could revolutionize goods delivery from the store to the home. And given the rapid advances in autonomous driving technology, its development could happen faster than anyone thinks.

And it can be done because without the need to accommodate any passenger (including the driver), they could substantially cut the weight of the vehicle, since you eliminate the need for a lot of very heavy and expensive passenger protection systems.
 
Let's not forget in 2012 Tim Cook said "the wrist is interesting". In 2015 Jeff Williams said the car is the ultimate mobile device. Apple does give hints about their plans from time to time. With TV it's pretty clear people want dumb TVs and smart boxes. My guess is Apple feels there isn't much they could contribute to the dumb panel business.
I guess they are more into making devices like the Apple Watch capable to remotely control vehicles with a new Apple Development kit for Cars with functionality beyond current CarPlay, as they have HomeKit then AutoKit will be the next thing...
 
Apple loves products with a very high profit margin. Automakers survive on much smaller profit margins (negative margins with regards to certain economy and hybrid models) and experience losses from time to time. If Apple wants to burn through their cash quickly this would be a good way. Engineering is only a small part of the expense. Building a factory (unless they will import the car from China which is possible) building a dealer network, supplier contracts, marketing, safety standards and testing, etc...

It would take billions getting into this business and then they still have to compete against GM, Ford, Toyota, Fiat-Chrysler, Nissan-Renault, etc. who have been established in this business for many years. For example Ford is 112 years old. It is a very saturated market and at least in the United States if you want to actually make profit you better be ready to release some luxury cars, trucks and SUVs.

If they want to do as a hobby to blow through some cash I guess that is their decision, but if they think everyone will line up to fork over some outrageous price for an Apple car like an iPhone I think they will be severely disappointed.
Apple can buy any auto company and do whatever they want to do, specially something totally disruptive in terms of how the product is designed, developed, validated and sold. The auto industry deserves a significant improvement to stay on par with other industries growth and profitability, as wells as producing a significant improvement for the consumers safety and life quality.
 
Yeah, well, except they haven't made a single full-year profit yet. :p And they are still heavily dependent on direct and indirect subsidies (e.g. about one quarter of their income comes from selling ZEV credits to other manufacturers, which is forced by government regulations). The Model S is a very cool car for rich folks, but I think Tesla still has a huge challenge ahead if they want to make a car that is profitable and can scale to the mass-market. The long delays of the Model X and Model 3 indicate that they have trouble executing their plans.

Very curious to see what Apple has up its sleeves though ...
Maybe the delay is great symptom that they are ironing out the issues and performing a better job at not releasing to market products with subpar validation and performance issues like many other auto makers do just to comply with an unrealistic launch timeline because the executives and middle management bonuses depend on sales numbers and deadlines and not connected at all with the initial quality, reliability and durability performance of the vehicles.
 
Initial quality is easy to do. Basically make sure nothing happens in the first 90 days. It's long term where FCA falls apart.

They are also the only ones saying FCA is good. The rest of the people that actually track quality and dependability put FCA vehicles at the bottom. Cause they are garbage. Always have been and probably always will be.
What do you mean by garbage? Have you ever driven or owned any of their vehicles? What do you currently drive? What would you like to buy if you will get a new car next month?
 
Still they have to deal with repairs, distribution in the USA, warehousing, customer support if the car fails on the road, tow services, etc. Seems too much of a hassle to me for a tech company.
If they follow the same model of traditional auto companies yes it would be a big hassle. But if they offer a better alternative as they do with the Apple Stores they may be successful at it. Leasing may be the best model for commercializations of disposable Apple cars, made obsolete every 6-12 months by new gen features or due to warranty failures to cover replacements without dealing with repairs. Maybe refurbished o reman shops may not be as difficult to deal with than a dealer network...
 
This makes so much sense! Also Phil Schiller is really into cars. He'd be ecstatic to market and show off something like this. Also I had a ROKR before getting the original iPhone, and if the difference is that big then Apple is going to own 70% of automobile industry profits within five years. Hold on, let me go buy more stock…
Apple learned a lot about meeting intentionational regulations across plenty of countries around the world with the iPhone and wireless devices, now the automotive regulations are more complicated to meet and comply with as well as provide potentially ever higher quantity of risks and hazards, as well as a very competitive saturated market and with very limited good suppliers for certain vehicle systems like the restraints. Hopefully we will see a big change soon thefefore many of the existing paradigms become obsolete technology and new players in the automotive world make it happen, seriously Tesla, Apple, Google and any other aggressive and tenacious auto company may make something interesting. As Apple typically do hey learn from the failures of other companies, redefine the concepts and make it "work better".
 
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I also wonder if Apple will do the Tesla model of only making a few inventory cars and predominately doing custom orders (note Tesla's lead time on delivering a new car). Or if they will do the auto manufacturers route and make a variety of models and send them to dealerships.

I hope Apple jumps in sooner rather than later on supporting Tesla direct sales, there a few states that still require manufacturers to have dealership networks in order to sell cars (cough Texas), which would be something Apple probably doesn't want to deal with.

Of course this is all assuming Apple doesn't do a hybrid or combustion engine, there is still a big jump to get folks to fork out the money for a charging port at their house, and folks still have range anxiety.
 
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