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Apple Continues War on Notification Center Widgets, Asks 'Drafts' to Remove Note Creation Feature

It is not happening. OS X can still install third party unsigned apps. The only thing that has changed since Snow Leopard is the Gatekeeper. Apple's default setting for gate keeper is good enough. The dumbed down user will never need to change it, and other users, can change this if they wish to.

Like I said, Apple will render OS X mostly useless, with a vast amount of software suddenly becoming unusable over night with an OS X update. They will screw a lot of people over - businesses, home users etc.

Overall, Apple are not stupid. There apple submission policy is very restrictive and cannot and does not suite all applications out there.

Bearxor said:
It's happening now. Right now. As we speak.

The average user will buy a Mac and use the Mac App Store. If they happen to find a piece of software on the Internet and try to install it they'll most likely get an error. Then they'll have to find out how to enable application installs from everywhere.

Right now, it's deafulted to 'Mac App Store and identified developers'. How much longer before its set to just 'Mac App Store' by default? Two years? Three years? Then how much longer before the option to even change it is removed?

It's already been decided.
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TMRJIJ said:
It will end up being very bad for some users. Malware will be an serious issue, lots of cracked apps, and general nasty stuff that is all over Android.

You made your choice. Enjoy Android.
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iOS already suffers from pirated apps..... Apple's walled garden hasn't prevented this.
 
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pdqgp said:
What's your point? Is Apple the Savoir in Technology land saving the dumb people from themselves? No thanks.

The rest of us don't need BIG BROTHER Apple stepping into our lives any more than they already are.

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So I guess the iPhone is a Phone and shouldn't be used for anything else? Hey if you don't like it, the clue is in the name people.
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The point is that reality is reality and it's not so black or white (to use an expression) or simply one extreme or anther as some people try to make it out to be.
 
Brian Y said:
Really?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2099...roid-apps-spike-in-the-google-play-store.html

If there is no threat of malware, why do antivirus apps exist?
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Trapezoid said:
This should doom apple, for sure.

Chicken little scenario aside, chances are few people will even know about it and even less people will care.

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Yeah those "shady apk sites"...like the Google play store:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2099...roid-apps-spike-in-the-google-play-store.html

Truth delivered. Fact.
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That article points out that they didn't analyze any App Store apps...
I think Google gets more of those kinds of apps due to the submission process being automatic, while IIRC Apple's requires human intervention.
 
C DM said:
The reasons are that those are the guidelines or the refined guidelines that Apple has for iOS. It's how iOS has been since pretty much the beginning and how it's set up to be basically. There's nothing new or strange about it--just a different way of how a mobile OS and ecosystem is designed.
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If the refinements meant to go back to square one, then just shut whole widgets things down and forget about it. Seriously, I failed to see how these widgets can pose such threat to iOS. Apple is saying we are opening up and developers can do more things, then gradually back up until they completely find their comfort zone. This is just pure crap. If Apple seriously thinking malware, inconstant UI and all those bull craps, we should all go back to iPhone OS 1, where nothing but Apple's stuff runs.

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C DM said:
That hasn't and doesn't stop tons of users from installing all kinds of malware and viruses on their computers over the years.
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Neither does Apple's method wi completely kill malware and virus. You can pretty much install untrusted apps on iOS... Think about Gameboy emulators
 
In other words, Apple continuous to declare war on developers who actually try to make iOS more useful by enhancing features.

Guess they'd rather have more fart apps.
 
macsrcool1234 said:
In other words, Apple continuous to declare war on developers who actually try to make iOS more useful by enhancing features.

Guess they'd rather have more fart apps.
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Agreed! Goodtask sucks compared to Clear and other similar todo apps, but it's the only one that lets me check off my items in the NC. It also launches the app. I'm guessing that functionality will be gone soon too.
 
Well this sucks. It's clear to me that Apple haven't quite worked out what they're doing yet with Yosemite. It's an OS still looking for an identity. If they do work it out, then this functionality might come back. The NC, however, has been poorly conceived since it was first introduced in the desktop OS.

I'd imagine that part of the problem with apps like "Drafts" is simply that they don't really fit into the concept of "Today" - an unnecessary restriction Apple brought on themselves. If they simply changed "today" to something else like "Dashboard" (ha ha!) or "Pocket," problem solved... almost. They still have the problem of the two tabbed NC which shows notifications on the hidden tab.
 
diamond.g said:
That article points out that they didn't analyze any App Store apps...
I think Google gets more of those kinds of apps due to the submission process being automatic, while IIRC Apple's requires human intervention.
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Yes I know, I posted my link because the guy said that you can only get malware if you go to shady apk sites and said its 100% FUD otherwise. In fact, I think I heard of malware in the App Store also. So saying it's 100% FUD is not true.
 
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MisakixMikasa said:
If the refinements meant to go back to square one, then just shut whole widgets things down and forget about it. Seriously, I failed to see how these widgets can pose such threat to iOS. Apple is saying we are opening up and developers can do more things, then gradually back up until they completely find their comfort zone. This is just pure crap. If Apple seriously thinking malware, inconstant UI and all those bull craps, we should all go back to iPhone OS 1, where nothing but Apple's stuff runs.

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Neither does Apple's method wi completely kill malware and virus. You can pretty much install untrusted apps on iOS... Think about Gameboy emulators
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Sorry, but the refinements aren't even close to taking anything back to square one. That's just hyperbolic rhetoric that doesn't really mean anything.
 
pdaholic said:
Agreed! Goodtask sucks compared to Clear and other similar todo apps, but it's the only one that lets me check off my items in the NC. It also launches the app. I'm guessing that functionality will be gone soon too.
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Pretty sure Wunderlist and even Apple's own Reminders let's you check off items in the widget as well. Clear can likely allow for it as well if they implement that in their widget (if it's not implemented currently).
 
C DM said:
The point is that reality is reality and it's not so black or white (to use an expression) or simply one extreme or anther as some people try to make it out to be.
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yes it is pretty black and white. apple's moves like this show that it clearly only cares about what they want not what the users want. to shut down the this app for what it did when it poses no risks is selfish. apple being apple. not surprised.
 
EnderTW said:
Majority of the consumers using a phone do not need an application that is outside Apple's boundaries of what is acceptable. This is something I completely agree with Apple, even if it limits some
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People didn't needed applications at all, people didn't needed multi tasking, people didn't needed app sharing, people didn't needed keyboards, people didn't needed ...
 
C DM said:
Pretty sure Wunderlist and even Apple's own Reminders let's you check off items in the widget as well. Clear can likely allow for it as well if they implement that in their widget (if it's not implemented currently).
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Got it--just that Goodtask also allows me to place untimed tasks in my NC, which AFAIK the others don't. It's true that I didn't clarify that it my former post.
 
pdqgp said:
yes it is pretty black and white. apple's moves like this show that it clearly only cares about what they want not what the users want. to shut down the this app for what it did when it poses no risks is selfish. apple being apple. not surprised.
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And that's just basically rhetoric about the extremes and not really the reality. That's fine and all, just doesn't really help or accomplish much.
 
Apple's decision to yank an already approved widget, has NOTHING to do with malware. So enough handwaving about that.

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Their decision is instead about what a widget is (and is not) allowed to do, for reasons that are apparently not clear even to the App Store approval staff.

My guess is that perhaps they're dealing with the display of automatically sent notifications to the Watch, and somehow a widget like this causes a problem.
 
C DM said:
And that's just basically rhetoric about the extremes and not really the reality. That's fine and all, just doesn't really help or accomplish much.
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It is completely the reality. Apple is clearly focused on their desires not creative improvements that can benefit their users brought to them by their own partner developers. That to me isn't fine, but maybe to you and others it is. We can agree to disagree and in my case, I just won't tolerate it on my dime.

Doing nothing and just living with Apple continuing to control things like this isn't ever going to accomplish much.
 
pdqgp said:
It is completely the reality. Apple is clearly focused on their desires not creative improvements that can benefit their users brought to them by their own partner developers. That to me isn't fine, but maybe to you and others it is. We can agree to disagree and in my case, I just won't tolerate it on my dime.

Doing nothing and just living with Apple continuing to control things like this isn't ever going to accomplish much.
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Apple opened up things with widgets, third party keyboards, and other functionalties in iOS 8. Did it open the door completely wide open? No. But is it quite a bit more open that it was for years before? Of course it is.

As far as reviewing apps and refining guidelines, again, something that has been part of iOS since the early days, for many years now. Nothing new or surprising about how it all works. To be somehow shocked by it now or surprised by it now for someone who actually spent even a bit of time looking into the iOS ecosystem to understand it and decide what it is and if it works for them is fairly silly. Yes, there are things that can be better or things that would be nice to have that aren't there, as it has always been the case with iOS. That doesn't mean something horrible is going on and everything is doomed and Apple is horrible and etc., etc., etc.
 
C DM said:
Apple opened up things with widgets, third party keyboards, and other functionalties in iOS 8. Did it open the door completely wide open? No. But is it quite a bit more open that it was for years before? Of course it is.

As far as reviewing apps and refining guidelines, again, something that has been part of iOS since the early days, for many years now. Nothing new or surprising about how it all works. To be somehow shocked by it now or surprised by it now for someone who actually spent even a bit of time looking into the iOS ecosystem to understand it and decide what it is and if it works for them is fairly silly. Yes, there are things that can be better or things that would be nice to have that aren't there, as it has always been the case with iOS. That doesn't mean something horrible is going on and everything is doomed and Apple is horrible and etc., etc., etc.
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First, I've already said I'm NOT surprised. Typical Apple on many accounts.
 
akidd said:
So will Evernote be removed? Think not
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Exactly! Evernote is one of the apps Apple uses to promote new iPhones / iOS8. It seems Apple has no clue what actually should and what shouldn't be allowed. Actually, vast majority of good extensions have some way of opening the main app. Wait few days and Apple will change their mind about opening app from extension.
 
Despicable behavior by Apple. Some already employ this like Evernote and i don't see that happening anytime soon. Maybe why not make Notes it's own widget have this functionality or all stock Apple apps? Gosh Apple let developers do their job and stop interfering.
 
kdarling said:
Apple's decision to yank an already approved widget, has NOTHING to do with malware. So enough handwaving about that.

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Their decision is instead about what a widget is (and is not) allowed to do, for reasons that are apparently not clear even to the App Store approval staff.

My guess is that perhaps they're dealing with the display of automatically sent notifications to the Watch, and somehow a widget like this causes a problem.
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If Google can figure out how to not send non-notifications (think battery level/cpu usage widgets) to their watch, Apple can too...
 
It's moments like these that makes me regret leaving android for iOS.
 
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