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So.... when did God die and make YOU the know-it-all big mouth of the universe? You might, with just a LITTLE finesse and a bit of an IQ point these errors out-after all, im not Bill Gates, smeghead.

seashellz2 - I read kaiwai's post and your response. My take away is that you may be the one that could benefit from reflecting on your own post regarding finesse and IQ issues. Your response strikes me as an over reaction.
 
Yeah, I agree. If all these people think Leopard is so great, why are they dying for an update?

My machine is working like a dream. Are tons of people seriously having major issues?

Your machine isn't in a large enterprise network.

10.5.2 is not complete.

It'll be out when they fix a major issue.
 
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So.... when did God die and make YOU the know-it-all big mouth of the universe? You might, with just a LITTLE finesse and a bit of an IQ point these errors out-after all, im not Bill Gates, smeghead.

Hows this for finesse?
I am bound by NDA to refrain from describing any bugs which may or may not exist in 10.5.2 (9c29).

There are no know issues because Apple believes they have fixed reported bugs. There will be no known issues until developers test this build and report bugs.

I will state the obvious since 10.5.2 is not out yet. Apple is not ready to release 10.5.2.

That's it.

.. that's doesn't exude finesse either. How about this..
Apple will release 10.5.2 when the are ready to release this jem onto the world but one one instant sooner!
 
Hows this for finesse?
I am bound by NDA to refrain from describing any bugs which may or may not exist in 10.5.2 (9c29).

There are no know issues because Apple believes they have fixed reported bugs. There will be no known issues until developers test this build and report bugs.

I will state the obvious since 10.5.2 is not out yet. Apple is not ready to release 10.5.2.

That's it.

.. that's doesn't exude finesse either. How about this..
Apple will release 10.5.2 when the are ready to release this jem onto the world but one one instant sooner!

i hope you didn't already say to much about 10.5.2 . i know that Apple will release it when its good and ready to be released. some people need to be reminded of the facts you just said about when Apple releases a update. and some people will still not have the slightest clue and act like you said nothing at all.

but i could not have said what you said better myself. i just hope that Apple takes their time and makes this update worth the wait and fixes more then it breaks.
 
Im hoping they're adding a few nice surprises for us.
I hope they make it not suck. Safari and adium crashes more or less the whole time over here, and sometimes the system feels slow for no obvious reason but I guess that can be that some memory had been swapped out in case if the space would have been needed.

I'm still looking at the stars and hoping for a gpu update which *might* let me play a videogame or two on mbp. :(
On a new one? Or how would 10.5.2 update your gpu? Good luck with that.

It's those "Top Secret Features" from last year. ;)
Are you sure the new crash report tool isn't one of them? I've seen that a lot lately ..

Take your time Apple, all of my Macs are running flawlessly with 10.5.1

I would rather see it wait then released too early
If yours are already perfect how can it be to early for you? Hopefully it doesn't get worse ..
 
I need clarification

I'm not very well versed in programing/developing. Could someone explain to me how these revisions work?

I believe 9C25 had no known bugs, what benefits are there in developing another seed?

Is it that there were no known bugs in 9C25, then during testing, a bug appeared so 9C27 was released to address this bug OR is 9C27 trying to optimize 9C25 ?

Another thing, why are so many people scared *****less of violating NDA for a 10.5.x update? Does Apple revolutionize its OS in these point updates? (Seriously, Safari 'seems' snappier doesn't count).

I bought my MBP when 10.4.7 was out, and all that I remember a 10.4.x update doing was killing airport.

Thanks for helping shed light on the matter.
 
I believe 9C25 had no known bugs, what benefits are there in developing another seed?

Is it that there were no known bugs in 9C25, then during testing, a bug appeared so 9C27 was released to address this bug OR is 9C27 trying to optimize 9C25 ?
Given the fact the amount of fixes is 130+ they must have discovered a lot of bugs after 9C25 and so they released 9C27 with those bugs fixed. No known issues doesn't mean the whole developing process has stopped. It means they've fixed the known bugs.
Another thing, why are so many people scared *****less of violating NDA for a 10.5.x update? Does Apple revolutionize its OS in these point updates? (Seriously, Safari 'seems' snappier doesn't count)..
Because most of the people who get the seeds need those for their profession. When they would break the NDA and Apple knows, they will most likely be banned from Apple Developer Connection, which means they can't get the seeds any more. Which after all means they can't get their products compatible with new versions (10.5.x). So it's a pretty high risk for them.
 
One thing people may not be considering... "no known issues" doesn't actually mean no known issues (I know this because I have open bug reports that aren't fixed in 10.5.2).

More likely is that they mean "all the issues we targeted for 10.5.2 are fixed, and we're releasing seeds to make sure we didn't accidentally introduce new ones".
 
Slow boot time

I hope that 10.5.2 speeds up my boot time. Even with a clean install with no apps, my 2.4 ghz SR Macbook pro 2GB RAM boots slower than my brother his macbook. (2ghz, 1gb RAM)
 
I hope that 10.5.2 speeds up my boot time. Even with a clean install with no apps, my 2.4 ghz SR Macbook pro 2GB RAM boots slower than my brother his macbook. (2ghz, 1gb RAM)

I bet if your brother installs more ram it will even out. Boot time is the one place more ram hurts instead of helps.
 
My boot time is slow too

I hope that 10.5.2 speeds up my boot time. Even with a clean install with no apps, my 2.4 ghz SR Macbook pro 2GB RAM boots slower than my brother his macbook. (2ghz, 1gb RAM)

Ever since updating to Leopard my boot time has been very slow compared to OS 10.4.9. I hope this will improve with 10.5.2:)
 
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