Apple Continuing Work on Mac OS X 10.5.2. 9C27 Seeded.

[Daveoc64]

Get on with your lives(?!) this is SOFTWARE, not life or death; it's okay to be disappointed, but for goodness sake GET IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

For many people IT IS life or death when their computer crashes.

Some people just can't put up with poor reliability.

If Mac OS X doesn't do what you need it to, there's no point using it so some people have turned back to Tiger.

If you need your business/doctor's surgery/school/home computer to do things reliably, then it's far more important than some little kids toy.

 

[cnorth3]

In Shake, FCP, and Vectorworks they are stable, Adobe on the other hand is a different matter.

Well, maybe some of the trouble is with the third-party aps?

 

[IT-Pro]

As a Noob I just love to read this stuff!

Well rumors. We're just guessing when the release date will be based on facts.

Actually, quitte a lot of what Mac Rumors predicts turns out to be true, so it's not all crap. With Software updates like these it is just hard to predict a release date, because you never know what problems will surface. Apple as a company is apart from software updates extremely unpredictable, they usually don't give any information regarding coming products or software updates, which makes people gather rumors and then just guess.

The release of 10.5.2 is just much anticipated because of it's amount of bugfixes, people just love to work with te latest and greatest stuff, which is usually the best, and so they're eager to give it a try themselves. Why would that be stupid? Predicting thing isn't stupid as well, at least when you keep things in perspective.

 

[MightyThor12]

Well rumors. We're just guessing when the release date will be based on facts.

I know I know.....I want it as much as anyone!!! I have a macbook, enough said

 

[gnasher729]

or i could be that they have just lost the plot...when deadlines are missed, it is a very unhealthy sign, when you don't make deadlines so you can't be accused of missing them that is hiding something..too many things not working.

I don't know if you have any idea what you are discussing here - this whole thread is about things that you can only know if you are under an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) or if you heard from someone who is in breach of an NDA. So where does this nonsense about missed deadlines come from?

 

[0racle]

LOOK GUYS... okay so maybe we are a little disappointed, but let's get this into perspective if we can; this is *SOFTWARE*, not the cure for cancer.
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Get on with your lives(?!) this is SOFTWARE, not life or death; it's okay to be disappointed, but for goodness sake GET IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

You do understand that not everyone's computer is a toy right? Some of us actually have to have machines work for us to get paid.

 

[unlokia]

You do understand that not everyone's computer is a toy right? Some of us actually have to have machines work for us to get paid.

Sure, so you'd have a Tiger Mac and a Leopard Mac, if your work was that mission critical! (or a dual boot). It's just easier to complain than to keep your cool; that is the real truth. Whichever way you look at this, it is NOT life or death, for if it WERE, then you'd have had a better backup plan in place, previous to even the KNOWLEDGE of Leopard's existance.

How can you reasonbly expect a BRAND NEW OS to work flawlessly, out-of-the-box in every conceivable situation?. Apple engineers are only human, not magicians. I would pass the blame to the likes of you, for your inherent short sighted view of the future, and not to Apple. Are they supposed to rush the updates, so they cause MORE errors so you guys can satisfy your thirst for a good moan EVEN MORE?. Get a grip.

You can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all the time

 

[MacArchi]

Well, maybe some of the trouble is with the third-party aps?

well Mail is not a third party app, and the problems with C4D are directly attributable to Leopard. I will be going back to a happier time this weekend, I don't blame Apple, but myself for falling for the hype..

 

[unlokia]

well Mail is not a third party app, and the problems with C4D are directly attributable to Leopard. I will be going back to a happier time this weekend, I don't blame Apple, but myself for falling for the hype..

Early adopter syndrome?.

 

[MacArchi]

Sure, so you'd have a Tiger Mac and a Leopard Mac, if your work was that mission critical! (or a dual boot). It's just easier to complain than to keep your cool; that is the real truth. Whichever way you look at this, it is NOT life or death, for if it WERE, then you'd have had a better backup plan in place, previous to even the KNOWLEDGE of Leopard's existance.

How can you reasonbly expect a BRAND NEW OS to work flawlessly, out-of-the-box in every conceivable situation?. Apple engineers are only human, not magicians. I would pass the blame to the likes of you, for your inherent short sighted view of the future, and not to Apple. Are they supposed to rush the updates, so they cause MORE errors so you guys can satisfy your thirst for a good moan EVEN MORE?. Get a grip.

Sure but a lot of people feel that Leopard was way under done when it was launched, other wise why was 10.5.1 released so soon after 10.5 was released, it is behaviour you just don't expect from Apple.

Early adopter syndrome?.

And Leopard is the cure...

 

[Sky Blue]

why was 10.5.1 released so soon after 10.5 was released

The same reason 10.4.1 was released so soon after 10.4.0 and 10.3.1 was released so soon after 10.3.0...

 

[TheSpaz]

You do understand that not everyone's computer is a toy right? Some of us actually have to have machines work for us to get paid.

As much as I agree with you about using machines for work. If you're using your machine for work, you should already know not to update to the latest OS until you KNOW that all of your daily apps are compatible right? Here at my work, we use Tiger still because we know that what we're using is currently stable and working... now it would be stupid for us to just go ahead and order Leopard and find out that Adobe CS2 doesn't run correctly and causes problems... so therefore, if you're a regular home-user and wanna upgrade because it's fun and new, that's one thing... if you're at work and you wanna upgrade, it could affect your workflow and possibly interrupt things and cause you to fall behind. Professionals (like myself) know that you don't just jump on a new OS as soon as it comes out.

 

[Sky Blue]

Professionals (like myself) know that you don't just jump on a new OS as soon as it comes out.

and what happens if you buy new machines that come with Leopard?

 

[PlaceofDis]

Makes no sense, so all the people that need the ability to do a remote install off of a CD or DVD with their MBA are out of luck and may have to wait close to a week?

i'm guessing that this may be where the issue lies to be honest. probably don't have the kinks worked out and its holding up pushing it through.

or other bugs keep appearing. who knows?

 

[pjo]

and what happens if you buy new machines that come with Leopard?

You wipe out your tiger DVD and clean - install it ; unless of course the machine's hardware for some reason isn't supported on tiger (read: drivers et al)

 

[Sky Blue]

You wipe out your tiger DVD and clean - install it ; unless of course the machine's hardware for some reason isn't supported on tiger (read: drivers et al)

You wouldn't have a license for Tiger on that machine, so it would be the extra cost if you could even find Tiger to purchase any more.
Then you get to the hardware support...
I have 12 iMacs at work that aren't going out to people's desks until 10.5.2 is out.
(Not that I think anything is wrong with 10.5.1, I just don't want to redo the image and push out the .2 update)

 

[unlokia]

As much as I agree with you about using machines for work. If you're using your machine for work, you should already know not to update to the latest OS until you KNOW that all of your daily apps are compatible right? Here at my work, we use Tiger still because we know that what we're using is currently stable and working... now it would be stupid for us to just go ahead and order Leopard and find out that Adobe CS2 doesn't run correctly and causes problems... so therefore, if you're a regular home-user and wanna upgrade because it's fun and new, that's one thing... if you're at work and you wanna upgrade, it could affect your workflow and possibly interrupt things and cause you to fall behind. Professionals (like myself) know that you don't just jump on a new OS as soon as it comes out.

Like magpies, they flock around new, shiny things (me included, but my Mac isn't mission critical) and get drawn into buying them, without any foresight. They really should know better, if they've been using Apple products for as long as they profess to have done; it's (un)common sense when you think about it. I agree with you completely.

It always amuses me how people seem to HAVE to find someone to blame for x/y/z problem... as long as that person is ANYONE but themselves; we couldn't admit our own errors of judgement, could we - oh no, that would be unspeakable!!. Men have this hangup with admitting when they are wrong; I am a man also, but for goodness sake dudes, I get it wrong ALL THE TIME!. If you can't do something or you don't know how - if you are asked to solve a problem but don't know the solution, then face facts and SAY "I'm sorry but I don't know". Easy really, and saves all the arrogance and "Male pride" BS.

Face the facts; why are Apple MORE to blame than you?. Did you ever think that you expect too much of them?. I am sure a week working in Cupertino may shed some light on how many projects they have to juggle at once, whilst trying to please the infinitely incontent masses, the likes of which have decided do congregate around this thread, to vent their spleens for no constructive reason.

If your missions were as critical as you project them to be, you'd have no time for idle banter on net forums!

 

[MacArchi]

Like magpies,

8 cores is better then one - nothing to do with shiny

If your missions were as critical as you project them to be, you'd have no time for idle banter on net forums!

it is all the downtime caused by 10.5.1

 

[unlokia]

Like magpies,

8 cores is better then one - nothing to do with shiny

Wow really?. Well duh, I didn't realise . So... in that case, does that mean if I stand on two legs instead of one leg, the weight becomes more evenly distributed?. Revelation.

 

[Eric S.]

is it typical for Apple to release updates so quickly/frequently?

Absolutely. It's been over three months since the release of 10.5, actually a longer period than previous OS X releases saw before their 10.x.2 update:

Mac OS X 10.0 - Cheetah
10.0 - 24 March 2001
10.0.2 - 1 May 2001 1 month, 8 days

Mac OS X 10.1 - Puma
10.1 - 25 September 2001
10.1.2 - 20 December 2001 2 months, 25 days

Mac OS X 10.2 - Jaguar
10.2 - 23 August 2002
10.2.2 - 11 November 2002 2 months, 19 days

Mac OS X 10.3 - Panther
10.3 - 24 October 2003
10.3.2 - 17 December 2003 1 month, 23 days

Mac OS X 10.4 - Tiger
10.4 - 29 April 2005
10.4.2 - 12 July 2005 2 months, 13 days

In general updates come every 2-3 months; much longer periods between updates is very rare.

 

[MacArchi]

Wow really?. Well duh, I didn't realise . So... in that case, does that mean if I stand on two legs instead of one leg, the weight becomes more evenly distributed?. Revelation.

for multicore rendering yes

 

[milo]

For many people IT IS life or death when their computer crashes.

Some people just can't put up with poor reliability.

If Mac OS X doesn't do what you need it to, there's no point using it so some people have turned back to Tiger.

If you need your business/doctor's surgery/school/home computer to do things reliably, then it's far more important than some little kids toy.

If that's the case for you, you absolutely should not upgrade your OS until it has been out a while and people report that it is reliable enough for what you are doing. Any mission critical machine should probably always be on an OS that's fairly old and proven. And that goes for any OS, not just osx.

Personally, I've been dual booting all my machines. I think I'm going to switch one to 10.5 full time now, the other I'm still waiting to see how 10.5.2 is.

Sure but a lot of people feel that Leopard was way under done when it was launched, other wise why was 10.5.1 released so soon after 10.5 was released, it is behaviour you just don't expect from Apple.

To be honest, I'd like to see ALL of my apps get a .1 release soon after the initial one, I don't consider that under done.

and what happens if you buy new machines that come with Leopard?

You should make sure your apps are compatible before you buy those machines. Guys I work with are doing those checks right now.

 

[Eric S.]

Sure but a lot of people feel that Leopard was way under done when it was launched, other wise why was 10.5.1 released so soon after 10.5 was released, it is behaviour you just don't expect from Apple.

10.0 - 24 March 2001; 10.0.1 - 14 April; (21 days)
10.1 - 25 September 2001; 10.1.1 - 13 November ; (49 days)
10.2 - 23 August 2002; 10.2.1 - 18 September; ( 26 days)
10.3 - 24 October 2003; 10.3.1 - 10 November ; (17 days)
10.4 - 29 April 2005; 10.4.1 - 16 May 2005; (17 days)
10.5 - 26 October 2007; 10.5.1 - 15 November; (20 days)

The period between release of 10.5 and 10.5.1 was comparable to all OS X versions except 10.1.

 

[Sky Blue]

You should make sure your apps are compatible before you buy those machines. Guys I work with are doing those checks right now.

But if you need new machines, as we did, you have no choice.

 

[50548]

Apart from a few problems with some input managers, Leopard has been simply ROCK-SOLID for me, in pretty much every sense...

And yeah, it's much better than Tiger in terms of overall stability and speed...10.5.2 will just be the icing on the cake. GO APPLE!