I would add that BD provides more color bits than DVD (requires both TV and BD to support HDMI 1.3) which is very noticeable, and will support 3D.
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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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I would add that BD provides more color bits than DVD (requires both TV and BD to support HDMI 1.3) which is very noticeable, and will support 3D.
Nice to see at least one person has thought this through, rather than just reacting.
That aside, fact is: Flash needs to go away. The iPad and iPhone will help make that happen, as web developers looking for an edge start building more iPad/iPhone friendly sites.
Gotta laugh at the clowns threatening to bring down Apple by not buying their products. Happens every product intro, these same guys get up on their haunches and bray. Then they go get one, so's not to be left out. (Hey, they're here on an APPLE site. No way they're not buying. What a farce.)
While I expected more from the ipad, I can look back at the original ipod and see where this product can eventually go.
The reality of the here and now is that a majority of websites still use flash and until news/sports sites such as CNN/ESPN start changing to html 5 the browsing experience on the ipad will suck with that blue lego all over the place. Period.
Multitasking on this thing will come some day, cameras/ichat/skype will come, but not being able to see sport/news vids/catching up on tv shows now is a deal breaker. While everyone on this board can debate the limitations/hogging resources of flash/economics it poses to the app store etc...i think many will agree that there will be a lot of consumers bringing the ipad back to the genius bar going why can't I view this web page like on my computer. Web limitations on the iphone/itouch is one thing, but on a screen this size it is not.
The only benefit I can see is that I might be able to pick a cheaper returned/refurb model before the end of the year.
The reality of the here and now is that a majority of websites still use flash and until news/sports sites such as CNN/ESPN start changing to html 5 the browsing experience on the ipad will suck with that blue lego all over the place. Period.
Multitasking on this thing will come some day, cameras/ichat/skype will come, but not being able to see sport/news vids/catching up on tv shows now is a deal breaker. While everyone on this board can debate the limitations/hogging resources of flash/economics it poses to the app store etc...i think many will agree that there will be a lot of consumers bringing the ipad back to the genius bar going why can't I view this web page like on my computer. Web limitations on the iphone/itouch is one thing, but on a screen this size it is not.
The only benefit I can see is that I might be able to pick a cheaper returned/refurb model before the end of the year.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
That's fine, but misses the point. Again, using a Educators tool like Articulate: you don't export what you create in it to Adobe Flash and then render it as a flash file for the browser. It just renders the flash files directly. So even if Adobe rolls out this "make an app" tool (I thought they had already), it won't make a bit of difference for Educator's tools like Articulate.
And Articulate is just one such tool. There are hundreds of them. Even if they do get re-done to export their renders to HTML5, javascript, and H.264, it is a different proposition to go from something a Teacher or Trainer with no HTML skills can post to something that will likely require an HTML programmer to post. Education budgets and programmer billings tend to not be readily compatible much of the time.
is the flash on mac issue real
I am a mostly windows person who owns a lowly mac mini--watch hulu all the time without issue...i have never noticed any flash crashing, etc when i visit quirky niche flash content sites like cnn, fox news, espn, schawb, yahoo, j. crew, ll bean. People--flash is everywhere! Some sort of accomodation is going to have to be made.
i do not use safari, however. i wonder if this a mac or a safari issue.
I said 'lowly" mac mini--actually I think this is the most under-loved, under-reviewed product imaginable.
I am a mostly windows person who owns a lowly mac mini--watch hulu all the time without issue...i have never noticed any flash crashing, etc when i visit quirky niche flash content sites like cnn, fox news, espn, schawb, yahoo, j. crew, ll bean. People--flash is everywhere! Some sort of accomodation is going to have to be made.
i do not use safari, however. i wonder if this a mac or a safari issue.
I said 'lowly" mac mini--actually I think this is the most under-loved, under-reviewed product imaginable.
It is a resource hog (in its current incarnation), but... I've had a look at some of these HTML5 "Canvas" demos and they're even worse. I could use my MBP as a frying pan and a blow dryer at the same time. The kind of content that's made in Flash won't go away when Flash does, so why replace Flash with another resource hog at the very point in time when Flash has finally been optimized? If Flash 10.1 (due out soon) does indeed deliver on the promise of hardware acceleration, reducing RAM usage by 55% and rendering 87% faster, it makes little sense to abandon it *now*. It would've made more sense during the 14 years we've put up with the old Flash.
LOL. Good point.
Frankly, nobody in the wide world cares about users without Flash. And with Flash 10, EVERY major mobile will have full Flash capability. Except my iPhone, and except the iPad.
BTW, Flash use is INCREASINg, not disappearing, and the roll out of v10 in the mobile market will only solidify its dominance.
Somebody else pointed this out, but you guys do realize, that if Adobe stops developing for the Mac, the Mac will die.
The mac mini is cool
(no sarcasm)Really, disable your safari plugins and browse... it's scary without them... flash is everywhere.
Go to SAFARI, then preferences, then security, and disable plugins... now you're ready to have the best web browsing experience you've ever had! I'd try out your banking and email sites for good measure
The magic never ends (oops, that was from a cs lewis movie)...
The fact of the matter is, flash may need to go away, but IN the present, it's very much in use in a majority of websites, it happens to me at least twice a day when browsing on my iPhone, I'll go to a web page, it will have an interesting story with a link, go to click on the link and get the little blue puzzle piece..
For a device that is being touted as "the best" browsing experience, the absence of flash is a big deal, because that makes it no better than browsing on the iPhone/iPod touch except a bigger screen!
um? I use photoshop and illustrator a lot. It would be nice to have a screen to drawn on. A 12" intous cintiq would cost $999 so it would be more feasible to get a modbook
Again... Ipad is NOT pressure sensitive, so there is no game between a cintiq tablet (single purpose pro tool) and an Ipad (all purpose gadget). So all you people sto thinking you'll be able to draw decently on an ipad. Sure they will build app that allow to use 2 fingers to get more pressures, 3 fingers to add depth to the brush or something else... very funny and entertaining. Nothing pro, of course
EDIT: sorry, I thought you were talking about the ipad
I'll keep the post just as an info for everyone else
Adobe should simply tell Steve that they will no longer be making Mac versions of Photoshop or Creative Suite. After all Intel Mac's can boot into Windows. What is the big deal?
Bingo. Flash on the iPad.
Adobe tried this before. They released PC versions and delayed Mac versions. Pissed off Jobs and the Mac community. Adobe's failure to bring innovation to their upgrades lost me. This loses Adobe upgrade fees and thus revenues.
I run with Flash off and the web is wonderful that way. I don't want the ads and the glitz. I want real content.
Thank you. You rather beautifully made my point. Flash is not necessary. What it does can be done in other ways. The 'tools' you describe are just 'compilers', development environments and they could target different delivery engines. Flash is irrelevant. Turn it off.
I browse the web with plugins turned off.
It's great. It's fast. The ads and the glitzy waste is gone.
Instead I get the content.
Turn off Flash - It is the best way to enjoy the web.
You are not just "in the minority," you actually do not exist for 99% of the web content providers...
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Flash is fine on Macs. All this "Flash is Lame, Flash is 99% web ads, Flash is useless, Flash is <fill in your own negatives fanboys>" is almost entirely because Apple apparently doesn't like Flash today... and some guys think Apple is God.
Next year if Apple decides USB is lame, useless, etc in favor of something else, they'll be here agreeing to high heaven. Some of them probably swore by how superior Firewire 400 was to USB, until Apple decided to discontinue Firewire 400 across the board, and now they'll argue who needs Firewire 400.
Steve Jobs could roll out the "iTurd" and call it the best thing ever, and some of these same guys would line up to buy it, and preach to no end about how it is the best turd ever, how Microsoft could never drop a turd this good, and how all other turds are obsolete.
Remember how much better PowerPC was than Intel because Apple said so... until Apple decided to switch to Intel and then Intel was great?
If Steve announced tomorrow that Flash is great and now available on this line of devices, this same crowd would quickly flip to praise the many added benefits of Flash. That is the nature of a fanboy. If Apple likes it, they like it. And if Apple doesn't like it, they don't like it.
On what do you base this? I for one would continue buying Macs if Adobe were to be so stupid as to stop developing for the Mac, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I doubt the Mac will die. But, then we're talking about Flash on the iPad not the Mac, right? Again, I will buy an iPad without Flash support, as I understand many others will too. I wouldn't even consider Flash a nice-to-have feature as I'm sure most people who are considering the iPad think about Flash - hide the technology and deliver a task-oriented experience is what most people want.
a troll who must be be paid by the post...
My, you are the busy little beaver. Only joined three days ago, and already have almost 90 posts, 28.08 posts per day and counting. Basically all of your posts say pretty much the same thing. You almost had me convinced by post number 87...
Do us all a favor, why don't you write a letter with of your insights. I am sure Apple must have just missed this, so hurry... only a few months before this comes out. Here is the address:
Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
408.996.1010
You may climb back under the bridge now...
My, you are the busy little beaver. Only joined three days ago, and already have almost 90 posts, 28.08 posts per day and counting. Basically all of your posts say pretty much the same thing. You almost had me convinced by post number 87...
Do us all a favor, why don't you write a letter with of your insights. I am sure Apple must have just missed this, so hurry... only a few months before this comes out. Here is the address:
Apple
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
408.996.1010
You may climb back under the bridge now...
You are not just "in the minority," you actually do not exist for 99% of the web content providers...
Hmm... I think, I turn off plugins, I don't Flash, I exist.
I brows the web without Flash and it works just fine.
Flash = Ads & Glitz = unnecessary junk
I want real content.
And other weird people say it's better not to have a computer, and type on a typewriter....