Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

[kernkraft]

The mac mini is cool (no sarcasm)

Really, disable your safari plugins and browse... it's scary without them... flash is everywhere.

Go to SAFARI, then preferences, then security, and disable plugins... now you're ready to have the best web browsing experience you've ever had! I'd try out your banking and email sites for good measure The magic never ends (oops, that was from a cs lewis movie)...

I tried web-browsing without the plug-ins. Awful! Just a few sites... One of them is The New York Times. Jobs tried that, hasn't he? No Family Guy direct, no CNET, no Hulu, no BBC iPlayer, no flashy fashion sites. Now I actually see the real impact. I agree that it was pathetic to call this the best browsing experience.

ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE...

Dude, I see your point and often agree, but honestly... 30 (!) posts per day?!

I'm travelling, hence the moaning on my side. But what have you been doing in the last three days? (Apart from following the site.)

 

[aucl]

Though it does suck less under Windows and Apple isn't opening up their GPU video acceleration APIs. (Please don't even mention OpenCL and if you know that Quicktime X opens up GPU acceleration APIs please link me the documentation of it.)

Check out QTKit, ...

 

[freeny]

Flash is fully interactive, h264 is not.

 

[macUser2007]

... 90% of my imaging is now done with Aperture, so other than adding type, working in layers, and a final CMYK conversion, I pretty much have cut way back....

In my business, which has only Macs (only one PC, for rare compatibility emergencies), without Adobe CS on the Mac, everything will have to move to Windows. Period.

Flash is just too important, to be ignored. Apple has pissed Adobe, now it has pissed Google, and has to cozy up to MS (Bing as a default search engine?!)

The way it's going, they'll make the iPad unable to search with Google..., and then we'll be hearing the mentally-challenged scream: "Die Google, die - we want Bing!"

 

[mj1108]

If Steve announced tomorrow that Flash is great and now available on this line of devices, this same crowd would quickly flip to praise the many added benefits of Flash. That is the nature of a fanboy. If Apple likes it, they like it. And if Apple doesn't like it, they don't like it.

Sad but true.

 

[Anuba]

Anyone remember how long Adobe took to release software to run on the Intel switch (I mean natively, and not under Rosetta). I don't blame Apple one bit for not wanting to be beholden to Adobe, their track record speaks volumes.

Meh. They were best buddies for years until Apple decided to compete with them by releasing Final Cut and Motion. I would be pissed off too if my hardware partner suddenly decided to become my software rival, and software was all I made. So Adobe said alright then, we're not porting Premiere and After Effects to OS X. After that they've continued to support the Mac, but reluctantly.

All this software from Apple has ironically made Windows users happy, because companies that used to put all their effort into the Mac versions while they made PC versions mostly as an afterthought, suddenly did a 180 and made Windows their favorite platform after Steve backstabbed them. It happened with Adobe (64-bit Photoshop PC only, etc), it happened with Steinberg's Cubase after Apple bought their #1 rival Emagic and ditched the Windows version of Logic... and then Apple screwed ALL music software companies by blatantly dumping the price on Logic. Very gratifying for the Windows user camp.

 

[steve-p]

A better adjective to use, when describing Steve Jobs, is "determined."

Megalomaniac is not bad either.

 

[Xenu007]

No Flash, no iPad

When they add it, I'll buy it. Until then the iPad is a major Apple FAIL!

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

In my business, which has only Macs (only one PC, for rare compatibility emergencies), without Adobe CS on the Mac, everything will have to move to Windows. Period.

Flash is just too important, to be ignored. Apple has pissed Adobe, now it has pissed Google, and has to cozy up to MS (Bing as a default search engine?!)

The way it's going, they'll make the iPad unable to search with Google..., and then we'll be hearing the mentally-challenged scream: "Die Google, die - we want Bing!"

Oh my gosh! That's a very good- and scary- point. Do we have a Clash of the Titan's brewing. Right now, Google is the browser of choice in all incarnation of Safari. So naturally all the others suck, right fanboys? But when Apple switches from Google to Bing- or something else, will Google then suck, "Google = Lame", "99% of Google is Google paid ads search anyway", etc.

And could we actually have a scenario where- if it is Bing- that Apple fanboys will be praising Microsoft as best at something?

Clash of the Titans, indeed. Coming to a bunch of threads near you.

 

[alexlovesmacs]

I would buy the iPad if it had 1. Flash 2. Firefox...

 

[aucl]

What a load of unmitigated horse crap - if Microsoft can produce Silverlight for Mac that is light weight, reliable and fast then there is absolutely NOT REASON for Adobe not accomplishing the same feat. I'm sick and bloody tire of apologists for Adobe unable to face reality that there are vendors out there, producing good products and don't need to come up with half-baked concocted nonsense of missing or secret APIs as to legitimise the crap quality of their products. It is time for Adobe to either get their act together and produce a decent plugin or shut the hell up about being locked out of the platform.

Adobe know what they need to do - they and their own pampered managers have decided to piss and whine about Apple than actually invest some of their obscene profits back into their products.

maybe it is Adobes way of saying Apple is not sending over the optimization crew, which MS was glad to send.
… would not even be surprised if someone is paying $$$ to keep flash crappy on the mac platform, bring professional apps to the own platform, etc. … but who would that be?

 

[Eidorian]

In my business, which has only Macs (only one PC, for rare compatibility emergencies), without Adobe CS on the Mac, everything will have to move to Windows. Period.

Flash is just too important, to be ignored. Apple has pissed Adobe, now it has pissed Google, and has to cozy up to MS (Bing as a default search engine?!)

The way it's going, they'll make the iPad unable to search with Google..., and then we'll be hearing the mentally-challenged scream: "Die Google, die - we want Bing!"

Meh. They were best buddies for years until Apple decided to compete with them by releasing Final Cut and Motion. If would be pissed off too if my hardware partner suddenly decided to become my software rival, and software was all I made. So Adobe said alright then, we're not porting Premiere and After Effects to OS X. After that they've continued to support the Mac, but reluctantly.

All this software from Apple has ironically made Windows users happy, because companies that used to put all their effort into the Mac versions while they made PC versions mostly as an afterthought, suddenly did a 180 and made Windows their favorite platform after Steve backstabbed them. It happened with Adobe (64-bit Photoshop PC only, etc), it happened with Steinberg's Cubase after Apple bought their #1 rival Emagic and ditched the Windows version of Logic... and then Apple screwed ALL music software companies by blatantly dumping the price on Logic. Very gratifying for the Windows user camp.

Did anyone else think we'd ever be discussing things like this?

What a load of unmitigated horse crap - if Microsoft can produce Silverlight for Mac that is light weight, reliable and fast then there is absolutely NOT REASON for Adobe not accomplishing the same feat. I'm sick and bloody tire of apologists for Adobe unable to face reality that there are vendors out there, producing good products and don't need to come up with half-baked concocted nonsense of missing or secret APIs as to legitimise the crap quality of their products. It is time for Adobe to either get their act together and produce a decent plugin or shut the hell up about being locked out of the platform.

Adobe know what they need to do - they and their own pampered managers have decided to piss and whine about Apple than actually invest some of their obscene profits back into their products.

The CES keynote thread turned somewhat into a Silverlight praising thread after people finally got around to installing the plug-in. PVR functions in my streaming video? It's not melting my CPU under OS X? It's from MICROSOFT?

 

[usasalazar]

Peace is where it's at!

I'm sick of this type of crap.

Your post has nothing to do with the topic.
I have reported you but I'm quit sure the mods don't care because the more click this place gets the more money they make.

You wanna talk about CLOSED mindset look at MR.

/unsubscribe

Nice post. Exactly what I've been thinking!

 

[aucl]

Apple knew exactly what they were doing "supposedly" a accidentally or embarrassingly having broken flash pages show up in the Keynote demo by S Jobs.

Come on people a company like Apple and a person like S Jobs DOES NOT turn up to a major major keynote and make an accidental blunder like that ... Monkey boy maybe .. but not S Jobs.

They would have been practising that keynote and demo for weeks. In my opinion it was all a 100% calculated PAUSE where he just stops at the broken flash page and says nothing... even the pulled flash promo video was probably calculated.. all designed to say STUFF flash lets move on and get rid of it .. we "Apple" no longer care about flash and are not playing with Adobe.

100% intentional , 100% calculated.

oh yes, and then half hour later the NYT team show: There's an App for that

 

[texaspete]

Another Apple railroading?

I think that whilst this is annoying in the short term, the reality is that top web sites will want to be 100% compatible with the iPad, thus they will find other ways of doing the flashy stuff, but without flash. This is a good ploy by Apple and will help prevent iPad, iPhone et al getting overly bogged down with other people's proprietary plugins.

 

[Paulyboy]

What's interesting to me is with the iPad Apple appears to be attempting to simplify computing so everybody can get into it. In that sense I think the iPad could be a huge success. In fact, in that regard I love what this guy has to say about the whole situation.

However, what are all the non-tech savvy people who buy these easy-to-use portable computing devices going to think when page after page of websites come up with blank boxes in them?

"Gee wizz, I thought this was just suppose to work and give me the best web browsing experience ever without all those technical issues that plague my geeky friends and their computers? Where's all that neat stuff I see on their inferior web-browsing computer screens?"

That all said I really like the iPad, particularly because of what the future holds in iPad enhanced apps, but omitting Flash is a mistake IMO.

-PN

 

[mlblacy]

In my business, which has only Macs (only one PC, for rare compatibility emergencies), without Adobe CS on the Mac, everything will have to move to Windows. Period.

Flash is just too important, to be ignored. Apple has pissed Adobe, now it has pissed Google, and has to cozy up to MS (Bing as a default search engine?!)

The way it's going, they'll make the iPad unable to search with Google..., and then we'll be hearing the mentally-challenged scream: "Die Google, die - we want Bing!"

Who ever said CS is not going to continue to be ported for the mac? I am in the same boat though, and have been in publishing for over 25 years now, most of them spent using macs as workstations. Aren't you a little irked over the pricing and make-up of the CS suite these days? I have InDesign, but honestly still mostly use Quark. After CS2 the compelling need to keep current has paled (although I do). Eventually the tiff between Apple and Adobe with settle down, but as long as Flash remains to be: unstable, a power hog, and a security risk... I am not sure if it will be quickly added for the pad/phone/pods. The biggest reason probably has to do with the power consumption, and right now the only significant draw is for the screen, and not the processors.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have HULU, but even without it I would make the buy. Especially within my industry this device is going to create a fundamental shift in how we consume media. This device is exactly as Mr. Jobs said in his keynote... something in between a smart phone and a laptop, and it is a new niche. A lot of folks WANT something to replace their laptops, and probably this is not that device. It is an ancillary device, a supplemental one for many. However there is a huge market of folks that could get buy with JUST this device (my mom, for one).

If I sound harsh toward the more obvious trolls I mean to. Their "points" are adding little to the conversation, and there are PLENTY of places where they can find a happy home and bask in their certitude and hatred. Being an early adopter with Apple can be a humbling experience at times, but it is an exciting ride. I bought the first iPod (and had a number of MP3 players before that). There was a similar amount of skepticism when that was released as well. With each generation the experience, the interface, and the functionality has increased. It is hard to see a humble click-wheel, and imagine what can be... in the future. I for one, am glad that someone can...
cheers,
michael

 

[LagunaSol]

That people here are still claiming Flash is useless, etc, all they need to disable Flash for a while and see how they like Safari browsing without it.

I have Flash disabled on Safari (ClickToFlash). How do I like it? MUCH BETTER.

And Articulate is just one such tool. There are hundreds of them. Even if they do get re-done to export their renders to HTML5, javascript, and H.264, it is a different proposition to go from something a Teacher or Trainer with no HTML skills can post to something that will likely require an HTML programmer to post. Education budgets and programmer billings tend to not be readily compatible much of the time.

As an Articulate user myself, your argument makes no sense. Before tools like Articulate, you needed a Flash programmer to create something that Articulate now automates. Why couldn't there be a tool that did the same for HTML5 without an HTML programmer? Think please.

Flash is fine on Macs.

Completely incorrect. Flash Player on OS X sucks (as does the Linux version, I've heard). You're in a very small minority if you think Flash is "fine" on Macs.

If Steve announced tomorrow that Flash is great and now available on this line of devices, this same crowd would quickly flip to praise the many added benefits of Flash. That is the nature of a fanboy. If Apple likes it, they like it. And if Apple doesn't like it, they don't like it.

Laughably wrong. I don't want any proprietary technologies controlled by a single company dominating the Web. Period. I don't care what Apple thinks. Though apparently on this issue they agree with me.

Your playing the "fanboy card" on this argument is weak and ignorant. I've been hating Flash on OS X (thus resenting its stranglehold on the Web) long before the iPhone came along.

These would be very difficult to do in HTML5 with Javascript and H.264 without having to use a capable programmer (which is how these are created- no programming skills required at all).

Again, these would have been very difficult to do in Flash without having to use a capable programmer before Articulate came along, though I can't believe I have to point this simple fact out to you.

Who will be the Articulate of HTML5? Someone will be. Perhaps Articulate themselves?

The way it's going, they'll make the iPad unable to search with Google..., and then we'll be hearing the mentally-challenged scream: "Die Google, die - we want Bing!"

Absurd.

 

[macUser2007]

I think that whilst this is annoying in the short term, the reality is that top web sites will want to be 100% compatible with the iPad, thus they will find other ways of doing the flashy stuff, but without flash. This is a good ploy by Apple and will help prevent iPad, iPhone et al getting overly bogged down with other people's proprietary plugins.

Wow, it must be hot under that tin-foil cap

You really think that any major sites care?!

Anymore than they care about the iPhone not being able to do Flash?

If the iPad doesn't do Flash, it will become another AppleTV. The Androids and W7 tablets will come in force, and the world will move on.

Which is sad. I do want my iPad. But not without Flash.

 

[sohelpme]

So just add Flash, whats the big deal. Some people want it others don't care. Just incorporate it already. I don't see why anything should be held back. Everyone should have all options available.

You're missing the point. Supporting Flash is holding the internet back. It's the lowest common denominator, like supporting IE6.

The iPhone HAS changed the internet. Web sites ARE changing to provide iPhone owners with a first class internet experience because iPhone owners BUY THINGS on the internet, as a higher percentage than non iPhone owning internet users. YouTube, by FAR the largest, most used Flash site in the world, changed to work well with the iPhone. And lots of other sites have as well, that find the demographic of iPhone owners is a good source of people willing to spend money on good products. And companies are not just reworking their web site into HTML5, but going the extra mile and creating a first-class iPhone-specific app, because iPhone owners are willing to spend money for it [or even give it away for free to get iPhone owners to keep using their service].

Companies will find the demographic of people who own iPads similarly desirable. And it will require minimal addition effort over just supporting the iPhone. So the group of desirable people grows, so it becomes even less of a no-brainer to change your web site to make it work for that group. And remember, if your web site is already based on Flash, you would need to rework the Flash anyway to work properly on the iPhone/iPad [assuming they did eventually add support for it].

And who do you think actually initiated the widespread adoption of USB? FireWire? It was ENTIRELY driven by Apple. Until Apple shipped an iMac that only had USB/FireWire ports and no legacy ports [and I don't think any of the major PC manufacturers were even generally including USB ports at all], nobody was making USB devices. After Apple shipped the iMac, suddenly all kinds of mice, keyboards, printers and all kinds of other devices started having USB connections, and now everybody's desktops are covered in USB cables and knickknacks. If Apple had gone with the backwards-compatibility route by including adb and serial ports, it would have been YEARS and YEARS later before USB would taken off, just because there would be no reason for existing devices to change.

 

[joueboy]

SJ's iPad!

Only Steve Jobs iPad that has a flash support we've witnessed that during the Apple's Media Event on his demonstration. That's the one and only and I am willing to pay $100,000 if you can hand that iPad to me.

 

[clochard42]

And Articulate is just one such tool. There are hundreds of them. Even if they do get re-done to export their renders to HTML5, javascript, and H.264, it is a different proposition to go from something a Teacher or Trainer with no HTML skills can post to something that will likely require an HTML programmer to post. Education budgets and programmer billings tend to not be readily compatible much of the time.

Agree totally. It's harsh to be forced to upgrade to something new without having the budget to accomplish it. I've had to do this plenty of times in my IT-career. But how to deal with it? If you provide compatibility to older stuff, you will never get rid of it - at least to my experience. Some times new technologies allows an easy and smooth transition (e.g. from C to C++), sometimes it doesn't. You can't block innovation.

And yes, Apple could try to ease the transition, by doing something like "yes, we support xyz for the time being, but we will face it out soon". But like it not, Apple thinks differently and has a obsession to be ahead of times and settle things straight. And as sales numbers show, their strategy is more than successful.

For example, Microsoft has tried to convince people to upgrade from IE6 for some time now and it didn't work (some of my enterprise customers are still using it). Sometimes you have to force people into what is good for them.

 

[aucl]

I see a lot of presumption preceeds conclusion here.

Blu-Ray? Yes. Today. Why is Apple not bringing it too? A couple of reasons. The licensing agreement is objectionable to Apple. It was not changed, there was no Apple exception. They have heard Apple's objections and both parties remain steady. Why else? I have seen a Blu-Ray movie (played off a disc). You know what's better? The same movie played from a file not a spinning plastic disc.

How about shift DVD's and Blu-Ray discs to HD with consent of the studios so Apple will bless it too. We're close. Steve in his role at Disney has a personal effort to get buy once, play anywhere on anything licensing going. Industry wide. In fact in investor circles this effort is so progressed it would not be at all surprising if this was an iPad release time announcement.

HD movie store. 3D movie store. Displays for 3D viewing and incidentally HD viewing. Apple gives you 3D end to end for the home. We're going to need some storage space!

Enter Apple Server Farm. All your content, all your files, all your backups. Uploaded and downloaded in the background. Keep a couple of movies and several shows on your iPad. The server converts the files to optimum viewing resolution for each target device. You log target devices.

Get ready. Hang on. Yes Apple is a closed system and the iPad while a computer is not positioned as a computer. It is a mobile interface to your content and even your primary computer. It's different thinking. It's different task management. I'ts so different it is easier, more fun, and as we adjust, more productive for a wide variety of work tasks too.

Think different. It's literal.

Rocketman

iDream

iPad HD (hypothetical)
1920 x 1080
163 ppi
Display 11.77 x 6.63"
Case 12.3 x 7.2

I'm in!

 

[sidelarge]

All this software from Apple has ironically made Windows users happy, because companies that used to put all their effort into the Mac versions while they made PC versions mostly as an afterthought, suddenly did a 180 and made Windows their favorite platform after Steve backstabbed them. It happened with Adobe (64-bit Photoshop PC only, etc), it happened with Steinberg's Cubase after Apple bought their #1 rival Emagic and ditched the Windows version of Logic... and then Apple screwed ALL music software companies by blatantly dumping the price on Logic. Very gratifying for the Windows user camp.

I'm not sure all of the things that you mentioned were bad decisions, but have to agree that buying Logic is one of the worst things that Apple has ever done. That action ended up severely damaging the otherwise vibrant DTM industry that existed in the Mac world. The situation was completely different from the one with video editing, and Apple shouldn't have stuck their nose into it.

 

[macUser2007]

...
Absurd.

Well, if you come out of the basement from time to time, you may have read stuff like this:

"Apple in talks with Microsoft to make Bing default search engine on the iPhone"