Actually, he makes a very good point. The web without Flash sucks.
You just don't get it. You may jump from the bridge now....
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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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Actually, he makes a very good point. The web without Flash sucks.
You just don't get it. You may jump from the bridge now....
What a load of crap! I predict that it will be wildly successful and that the average consumer won't freak out because a few websites won't work. All this nonsense about "half the web" not working, is just that, nonsense.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I disagree. It's very easy to write, "just target different delivery engines". But let's say they do: how do we get it to work right across many browsers as it does in Flash right now? If it is an Educational product you've created and rendered as Flash files, it needs to work a certain way across many browsers.
Even if all these companies could render it to a different engine today, what engine is going to provide the same range of playback, interactivity, etc across as many hardware and software platforms, and various browsers? That's definitely NOT HTML5 + javascript + H.264.
Yep... I've been busy... the propaganda was uber thick on this one. Nothing like a pissed-off loyal apple customer with reasonable expectations. I was pissed about the lack of flash on my iphone 3gs and still am. I thought jailbreaking would probably allow flash on mobile safari, but that has yet to materialize.
Pissed about the loss of matte screen options, and now wanted an Imac 27" I7, but it appears they are experiencing some pretty serious quality control issues that they are internally aware of but have yet to openly admit (3 week ship time... google "imac lemon" or "27 imac screen problem" if you don't believe that either).
Still no macbook pro I5 announcement either.
Judging by the negative feedback i will say this is certainly an issue. I guess we can all wait and see if this hurts sales in a few months...
If it works and is available soon... why not
Offer something, instead of pissing on my head and calling it rain.
OK, step away from the crack pipe! "switching from Apple to PC's", that's a good one! You had me goin' there for a minute.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Click a few of these (from a computer that CAN play Flash): http://www.articulate.com/community/showcase/
...put yourself in a Student's shoes trying to learn those topics, and tell me how it is unnecessary junk or not "real content". These would be very difficult to do in HTML5 with Javascript and H.264 without having to use a capable programmer (which is how these are created- no programming skills required at all).
OK, step away from the crack pipe! "switching from Apple to PC's", that's a good one! You had me goin' there for a minute.
Its a big world with lots of different people...
Again... Ipad is NOT pressure sensitive, so there is no game between a cintiq tablet (single purpose pro tool) and an Ipad (all purpose gadget). So all you people sto thinking you'll be able to draw decently on an ipad. Sure they will build app that allow to use 2 fingers to get more pressures, 3 fingers to add depth to the brush or something else... very funny and entertaining. Nothing pro, of course
EDIT: sorry, I thought you were talking about the ipad
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ4C9zmStjU&feature=player_embedded
Yeah, definitely nothing pro...
That looks really nice. I use Hulu, Windows Media Center, the IPTV plug-in for Windows Media Center, and the local library. I do record digital over the air on my desktop but I'm trying to move that to a networked device right now. To be honest I've grown fond of Windows Media Center and it suits my needs. Failing that I can use my MacBook on my lap in bed with Movist or MPlayer OS X.
I'd rather pay up front for the server that handles my network PVR and Time Machine backups with the ability to expand the storage. Computers on the network with Windows 7 will just see the recorded shows in their Libraries. I've thought about getting a HP slate and then I'd have a networked TV device. Handbrake my DVDs and they'll playback in Windows Media Center once again over shared libraries or plain old SMB.
I'm still poking along with 768 kbps DSL but damn is it cheap here. Hulu is just barely watchable but over the air takes up most of my time. The local library usually has the new release DVDs three days after they're on retail. No Blu-rays yet but some of the more techie people do ask from time to time.
I'll have to invest in a larger display though from my current 22" one. We have a 27" tube in the TV room but the motivation to fix what isn't broken isn't that high. I get more bang getting a larger computer display.
This is the one thing that is upsetting about the iPad. In fact the majority of programs I try and watch on Hulu take me directly to the Network web page full of clanky flash.
Tried it... Safari plugins disabled... nothing.....
Now I'm going to turn flash back on and go watch some vids... later
I guess that you're one of those children (age 16 to 23) who believes that anyone over 30 is "old."
A better adjective to use, when describing Steve Jobs, is "determined."
To my knowledge, Apple was the first computer maker to discontinue floppy drives (Oh no! What will we do without floppy drives?), and to include optical drives. Apple appears to be encouraging the use of more efficient and innovative software by not supporting outdated software (Flash) in hardware that is negatively affected (performance, heat, battery life) by it the most..
actually Adobe stopped caring about the mac years ago...
Anyone remember how long Adobe took to release software to run on the Intel switch (I mean natively, and not under Rosetta). I don't blame Apple one bit for not wanting to be beholden to Adobe, their track record speaks volumes.
I used to love Adobe products, and used to even teach pshop and other products to other professionals. 90% of my imaging is now done with Aperture, so other than adding type, working in layers, and a final CMYK conversion, I pretty much have cut way back. I do a LOT of imaging too. While Adobe offers useless feature creep, and outrageous pricing schemes, Apple actually functionally changed by workflow, and for the better. Two days ago I taught a professional photographer how to batch correct a few thousand images, and I did in over the phone in less than an hour. He had blocked about four days out to do the task in pshop, and was able to FINISH in less than 2-1/2 hours (a good bit of that time he wasn't even at the computer, as it processed through the files).
Face it, Adobe has moved on and is trying to grab the larger market. Despite the fact their company was basically built developing products for the mac, they have turned their backs time, and time again. Apple has gotten past the point of having to depend on others to develop software for Apple's success... and that is a good thing. We are a secondary market for Adobe, and you can really feel the love too...
Anyone remember how long Adobe took to release software to run on the Intel switch (I mean natively, and not under Rosetta). I don't blame Apple one bit for not wanting to be beholden to Adobe, their track record speaks volumes.
I used to love Adobe products, and used to even teach pshop and other products to other professionals. 90% of my imaging is now done with Aperture, so other than adding type, working in layers, and a final CMYK conversion, I pretty much have cut way back. I do a LOT of imaging too. While Adobe offers useless feature creep, and outrageous pricing schemes, Apple actually functionally changed by workflow, and for the better. Two days ago I taught a professional photographer how to batch correct a few thousand images, and I did in over the phone in less than an hour. He had blocked about four days out to do the task in pshop, and was able to FINISH in less than 2-1/2 hours (a good bit of that time he wasn't even at the computer, as it processed through the files).
Face it, Adobe has moved on and is trying to grab the larger market. Despite the fact their company was basically built developing products for the mac, they have turned their backs time, and time again. Apple has gotten past the point of having to depend on others to develop software for Apple's success... and that is a good thing. We are a secondary market for Adobe, and you can really feel the love too...
no flash forever
Apple will never implement flash. here's why: h.264/mpeg. They want these standard to become ubiquitous and replace flash. So far, they are playable on almost all Apple products. And I feel Apple believes they are confident enough to control the market with their products which in turn controls the future of Flash (less) and MPEG (more) in the web. They were able to influence Google to convert almost all Youtube videos into h.264, which is major! Apple knows they can change things and they will resist flash as one way to do so.
Apple will never implement flash. here's why: h.264/mpeg. They want these standard to become ubiquitous and replace flash. So far, they are playable on almost all Apple products. And I feel Apple believes they are confident enough to control the market with their products which in turn controls the future of Flash (less) and MPEG (more) in the web. They were able to influence Google to convert almost all Youtube videos into h.264, which is major! Apple knows they can change things and they will resist flash as one way to do so.
power pc moment
"Remember how much better PowerPC was than Intel because Apple said so... until Apple decided to switch to Intel and then Intel was great"
it really does look like a return to apple hubris. ipods reversed apple's sales momentum because they were good products that functioned flawlessly on pcs. boot camp removed the osx only stigma from mac books and apple enjoyed a notebook sales revolution.
But now its 2010 and we have a web browser that won't play with a third of the internet and a magic mouse without a middle button funcitionality.
Is the fact this product revolves around an apple only chip a coincidence
"Remember how much better PowerPC was than Intel because Apple said so... until Apple decided to switch to Intel and then Intel was great"
it really does look like a return to apple hubris. ipods reversed apple's sales momentum because they were good products that functioned flawlessly on pcs. boot camp removed the osx only stigma from mac books and apple enjoyed a notebook sales revolution.
But now its 2010 and we have a web browser that won't play with a third of the internet and a magic mouse without a middle button funcitionality.
Is the fact this product revolves around an apple only chip a coincidence
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
You're point- about turning to plugins in Safari off and generally browsing around favorite sites on the web- is a very good sampling of the web browsing experience sans Flash. That people here are still claiming Flash is useless, etc, all they need to disable Flash for a while and see how they like Safari browsing without it.
Actually, he makes a very good point. The web without Flash sucks.
You just don't get it. You may jump from the bridge now....
But was it really so good he had to make 80+ times? Not jumping anytime soon...
Why do some people think obnoxious ads will suddenly disapear by simply eliminating Flash?
One can just as easily replace them with obnoxious html5 ads...
One can just as easily replace them with obnoxious html5 ads...
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
That's fine, but h.264 doesn't do the complete job. Flash is more than just flash video. Flash animations allow playback to stop, wait for a user action, then branch to other parts and do something else. h.264 is terrific- a great video codec. But Flash does a bunch of other things beyond being just a video codec.
If Apple wins this- if all video goes H.264 everywhere- it still wouldn't eliminate the need for Flash. A lot of the attraction in Flash is for features beyond just a steady stream of moving pictures.