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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

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Chaos123x said:
mavis said:
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Funny, Apple's other internet devices which lack Flash support have hardly been 'stunted' in acceptance. In fact, if sales mean anything at all, most people seem to not care very much.
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Most don't care about flash on a phone, sure it's a pain, but most people get up open their laptops and watch the content on there.

Can you imagine surfing the net on your iPhone running into a site that uses flash, so you get up and turn on your ipad to watch just to see it won't play on there either. I mean that just a pain in the ass.
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Yeah, I see your point, but AFAIC if a site doesn't render correctly on my iPhone (or in FF on my Mac, etc) I simply don't bother using it. I'm not going to waste my time finding a platform/browser combination that works correctly - if the site developer was too lazy to make the site compatible with an extremely popular, ubiquitous device, that's their problem, not mine.
 
Fukui said:
I honestly think this steve is convinced since flash is not an open standard, it doesn't belong on the web. That is why they pushed H264, HTML5, Javascript, WebGL, SVG, Canvas etc...

Also, if you take this motivation into account, and recent developments, apple, for right or wrong, feels the days of flash are numbered (there's nothing WebGL + Javascript can't do that flash can according to some),[....]
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First, H.264 is NOT an open standard. H.264 patents are owned by the MPEG LA group, and any software encoding or decoding it pays a license fee to use it.

WebGL is far, far from being mature enough to take on anything, and HTML5 is a pretty poor standard. It left Video up in the air, which is why we've seen different video standards on a per-browser basis. I'm all for open standards, but they are not ready to compete with Flash yet. Until they are, Flash needs to be supported.

What Apple is doing is the equivalent of removing all gas stations in the U.S. and only providing electrical plugs for electric cars. Even Apple can't force the internet to stop using Flash. Content producers and distributors will stop using Flash when a better alternative is available, and not for the sake of politics.
 
I understand why Apple doesn't want flash... but they should let users decide if they want to install it. If it slows down the system, eats the battery, or whatever... I think the consumer should be able to decide.

Having said that, I hate Flash. But I would like the option of using it should I encounter a site that uses it.

Adobe should just shove a stick in Apple's eye and release flash for the iphone/ipod to the jailbreakers. I'd love to see Apple's response.

PS Look at a site like mint.com. It's beautiful, interactive, and doesn't use an once of flash!
 
TMay said:
Apple has a history of dumping legacy features, and that includes Firewire for consumers.
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As it should be frankly. Far too many companies keep legacy BS running around because they are afraid to move on.

Take one of the biggest offenders in this market, microsoft. If I'm running that evil empire, I release Win 7 and say adopt or not, we're moving forward. No more support for XP or Vista after 6 months of the release of 7. No tech support, no knowledge base stuff, no security patches, nothing.

Technology can only keep getting better if we keep moving forward. It's like having a bunch of smart kids in a class and a bunch of slow pokes, and some in the middle. We keep waiting around for the slow pokes, and the middle group gets bored, and the smart kids are handicapped. Right now, far too many of the best minds in this industry are stuck waiting for the slowest members of the class.
 
mavis said:
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Yeah, I see your point, but AFAIC if a site doesn't render correctly on my iPhone (or in FF on my Mac, etc) I simply don't bother using it. I'm not going to waste my time finding a platform/browser combination that works correctly - if the site developer was too lazy to make the site compatible with an extremely popular, ubiquitous device, that's their problem, not mine.
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As a web developer, I'm on the flip side. I don't waste too much of my time trying to get IE 6 to perfectly integrate with a new design. It's not going to happen. For me, I wish people would get off their @ss' and get the latest browser. And why on Earth would anyone use IE, any version?
 
Chaos123x said:
How many websites are going to send you to their "mobile version" because the iPad lacks the features and plugins of a real Internet browser.
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but there is some way that applications can register themselves at Mobile Safari, so that opening specific URLs will be opened in some dedicated App.

Apples MobileMe Gallery App demonstrates that very nice!
 
racer1441 said:
Take one of the biggest offenders in this market, microsoft. If I'm running that evil empire, I release Win 7 and say adopt or not, we're moving forward. No more support for XP or Vista after 6 months of the release of 7.
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No way. It's only through legacy dependence that Microsoft has enterprise IT by the balls. And no one knows this better than Microsoft.
 
macUser2007 said:
You really think that any major sites care?!

Anymore than they care about the iPhone not being able to do Flash?
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Yes, I do think they care, and the more Flashless devices sold, the more they will care. Remember when iPhone came out you couln't watch YouTube content on it? Starting then, it's since all been re-encoded into iPhone compatible and non-proprietary H.264.
 
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No surprise here. No tablet will ever do current Flash sites well, because Flash sites often NEED to tell a mouseover from a click. Without a real mouse cursor, you can’t.

(That’s leaving aside the slow performance, battery drain and crashes!)

Hopefully this will get more of those sites to offer non-Flash alternative content.

Luckily, I almost never visit a site that needs Flash... except for banner ads :eek:

I used to want Flash games, until Fantastic Contraption became a native app!
 
racer1441 said:
As it should be frankly. Far too many companies keep legacy BS running around because they are afraid to move on.
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Yeah, but then the companies just go to another PC vendor. With Macs it's one thing because there's nowhere else to go, but if Dell drops some port that lots of enterprises are hell bent on using, they'll just go to HP. Dell's professional line (Precision laptops) has every port known to man... you'd think the customers could just replace their peripherals but sometimes it's just not that simple. A Dell guy told me once about some customer who had loads of industrial robots that are all programmed via 9-pin serial ports, each one costs millions so they expect them to run for 15 years or so. Enterprises rely on all sorts of ancient crap, like DOS software.
 
ungraphic said:
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Or you could make a list that pits a cheap netbook against a half-eaten artichoke, which costs less, is more portable, and never runs out of battery.

You can invent a checklist that says anything :) but I’d suggest one that mentions the actual features of the iPad:

* Ease of use

* Multitouch

* Tilt control

* Speed! (Compare app launching with a sluggish netbook.)

* Solid state drive (not a spinning platter)

* Physical volume (super thin)

* Metal and glass, not cheap plastic

* Battery life

* Ambient light sensor

* Keyboard that adapts to different circumstances (like typing accents by holding a key, or the URL keyboard with a .com button, or the Emoji emoticons keyboard, or all the non-English keyboards)

* Built-in app store, music store and book store

* Lack of crashy, battery-sucking Flash :D
 
gibbz said:
Still amazed by people's inability to grasp the point of the iPad. It isn't supposed to be a tiny crap laptop. It isn't supposed to run a full out OS. Gah!
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Read the quote by steve jobs. If you have a problem with the comparison, you should equally have a problem with big brothers comments.
 
nagromme said:
Or you could make a list that pits a cheap netbook against a half-eaten artichoke, which costs less, is more portable, and never runs out of battery.

You can invent a checklist that says anything :) but I’d suggest one that mentions the actual features of the iPad:
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Well, since the picture is actually misinterpreting Steve's quote it's only appropriate for the list to work like that
 
iDarbert said:
That's not good. I really need Flash on that thing so I can watch free TV shows on Hulu.
Oh wait, I can't watch them anyway because they are "currently not available on my region" are they?

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And on a personal level my best experience is Flashless, regardless of the platform.

This post got pretty long and I'm not even sure I got the key points there... but well, I guess I'll see :D
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Long, but spoken good. My :apple::apple::apple::apple::apple: rating for that.
 
nagromme said:
No surprise here. No tablet will ever do current Flash sites well, because Flash sites often NEED to tell a mouseover from a click. Without a real mouse cursor, you can’t.

(That’s leaving aside the slow performance, battery drain and crashes!)

Hopefully this will get more of those sites to offer non-Flash alternative content.

Luckily, I almost never visit a site that needs Flash... except for banner ads :eek:

I used to want Flash games, until Fantastic Contraption became a native app!
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Actually if you slide your finger over something with iPhone it registers as a mouse over and you have to tap something to register as A click. It's not flash but you can try it over on apples website.

They can just do the same thing by Adjusting the flash plugin.
 
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