It doesn't matter, if Apple continues to sell millions of iPhones and iPods and soon iPads. Liking it or not, but publishers will soon have no joyce but adopting to that.
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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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It doesn't matter, if Apple continues to sell millions of iPhones and iPods and soon iPads. Liking it or not, but publishers will soon have no joyce but adopting to that.
boss1
macrumors 6502a
extremely likely, yes.
There is a slew of Barnes & Noble shopping 'paper back book readers' who are in no shape or form tech savvy individuals. This group of (insert qty) people will see that video. Buy an iPad. Go to website.com and scratch their heads as to why it's not working but it did in the video. They will feel bamboozled and rightfully so.
The majority of persons who read and post here do not fall into that category.
That said, I may still buy one, not for books but for productivity uses, casual gaming, media, and web browsing.
I'm still upset that i will be deprived of content when browsing the web, it makes the user frustrated every time it happens.
So much for trying to promote Safari as a great web browser Apple! it's going to drop in consumer survey's like a rock if this continues
😀 Lets see, we have iPod Touch which is mainly a portable music player and then we have iPhone which well... is a phone. Its true these products have many additional features but the previously mentioned are the core ones. Now if we examine iPad and its core features we can assume that based on Apple's product segmentation and marketing one of the main core features of this product is web browsing (in the keynote Apple stated that iPad provides better browsing experience then any other product). Therefore, its understandable that omitting something like an option to use Flash will cause discontent with potential users.
kernkraft
macrumors 68020
Flash has always been a problem
Some of us worried about the Flash on this thread 22 days ago. Apple did not disappoint us.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/846003/
Yes, it is. But as Steve Jobs emphatically declared: We dont know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk. Curiously, the iPad starts at $499. Oops!
Some of us worried about the Flash on this thread 22 days ago. Apple did not disappoint us.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/846003/
Yes, it is. But as Steve Jobs emphatically declared: We dont know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk. Curiously, the iPad starts at $499. Oops!
Don't worry about flash! Html5 will magically make all those flash sites just work.
Can people please **** about stupid html5, yeah I'm sure it's great at playing HTML content but it does not help with flash at all.
Can people please **** about stupid html5, yeah I'm sure it's great at playing HTML content but it does not help with flash at all.
Fukui
macrumors 68000
There are 2 months till the launch of the ipad, and 3 until the launch of the 3G model.... I think the reasons steve showed intentionally the pages with broken flash is to say to them (new york times etc.) "you have 60 days, fix your flash content or your site will be an embarrassment," I honestly think this steve is convinced since flash is not an open standard, it doesn't belong on the web. That is why they pushed H264, HTML5, Javascript, WebGL, SVG, Canvas etc...
Also, if you take this motivation into account, and recent developments, apple, for right or wrong, feels the days of flash are numbered (there's nothing WebGL + Javascript can't do that flash can according to some), so in that context, if you put flash in now, it'll never go away... and when the day comes to say "flash is irrelevant" it'll still be hard say to consumers "next version of iPad is removing flash support!" It'll never work... if they put it in, they'll never be able to take it out... thats probably their thinking...
Apple doesn't get much of a cut from music and movies (unless you think they lie to the gov't), and hulu is limited to the US, so I don't know about that angle... I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling more apps though...
Also, if you take this motivation into account, and recent developments, apple, for right or wrong, feels the days of flash are numbered (there's nothing WebGL + Javascript can't do that flash can according to some), so in that context, if you put flash in now, it'll never go away... and when the day comes to say "flash is irrelevant" it'll still be hard say to consumers "next version of iPad is removing flash support!" It'll never work... if they put it in, they'll never be able to take it out... thats probably their thinking...
Apple doesn't get much of a cut from music and movies (unless you think they lie to the gov't), and hulu is limited to the US, so I don't know about that angle... I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling more apps though...
Uh, no.
Google, which owns YouTube, just transcoded videos to an h.264 version, which naturally, ran fine on the iphone. I suspect that Google would consider h.264 to be preferred for Android and Chrome as well.
ugp
macrumors 65816
How did Flash become so popular to start. Does newer versions of IE support HTML5? Or is it just older versions like 6 and 7?
ugp
macrumors 65816
there's no sex onApp store, and I guess a lot of you who can't live without flash wanna it for watching porn online. 😀
Haha that is a lot of the Flash content as well.
Just OS/2, though there was an OS3 follow on that never took off as Windows 3.0 killed it in the marketplace.
Wikipedia indicated that it was Apple's iMac that spurred USB adoption.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Because it was íntroduced in 1996 when the web was still a baby, and it was the only way outside of animated gifs to create animated content. By 1998 (I think), Internet Explorer started shipping with Flash included and this triggered an explosion in Flash based content. It was also the only way to make your content look identical across browsers, since none of them would render pages quite the same. Once Flash was there on 96% of all computers it became the obvious choice for playing video on all platforms, so it killed stuff like RealVideo since those bastards dreamed that you could make people pay for a video player. In the meantime, Flash had become so advanced that it replaced Director/Shockwave as the #1 web game platform.
furi0usbee
macrumors 68000
Here's the thing. I'm going to be working some nights for a little extra $$$. It's the kind of job where I'll have a bunch of time to sit around and use the iPad. Now, I really don't need Flash, but I need a device where I can use 3G internet, as I probably won't have access to wifi. All I need to do is browsing/email... basically what the iPad offers.
However, for $30.00/month 3G service, I don't know. I could go with the MiFi, save myself the cost of the iPad, and just use my 15" MBP and pay Verizon $60.00/month but have access to the power of my MBP.
I guess my choice is spend $729.00 + $30/month, or get MiFi + $60.00/month and use my MBP. What would you do????
However, for $30.00/month 3G service, I don't know. I could go with the MiFi, save myself the cost of the iPad, and just use my 15" MBP and pay Verizon $60.00/month but have access to the power of my MBP.
I guess my choice is spend $729.00 + $30/month, or get MiFi + $60.00/month and use my MBP. What would you do????
aucl
macrumors 6502
there are some serious web applications out there which work good on each modern browser, yes even recent versions of IE.
I can not imagine your content is so demanding that it can not be done...
Thats like saying since Mac isn't open platform it doesn't belong to the web. In all honesty web is filled with open and closed technology which have become de facto standards. Therefore users can and should expect manufacturers to support them in order to offer best possible compatibility and access to media content for their customers.
Fukui
macrumors 68000
No one is saying that
I think your right, but probably according to steve jobs, 2-5 years from now should be today... lol...
That's not good. I really need Flash on that thing so I can watch free TV shows on Hulu.
Oh wait, I can't watch them anyway because they are "currently not available on my region" are they?
Seriously though, I understand both sides of the debate but personally I've been hating Flash ever since that time around the 90s or something where it was "cool" to do your website ENTIRELY on Flash, complete with annoying animations, glowing bouncing buttons, and animated not copy-and-pastable text, but thankfully the web has moved on from that
I'm also annoyed by the extremely poor performance of Flash under OSX (even though I'm not fully convinced it's really Apple's fault as Adobe says) but that's not the only reason I hate Flash, because I'm not keen on it even where it shines (the Windows OS, which I use fairly regularly on my Mac).
I also tend to dislike Flash games, or generally don't care about them so the whole "flashless experience" really works for me (in fact, ever since YouTube started the HTML5 beta I started using ClickToFlash again)
I do understand it's a deal breaker for some, but personally I don't agree that SHOULD be there and particularly how since Flash is missing it's not the best web experience as advertised.
Maybe I'm gullible, but the iPad still sounds like "the best" way (or more likely ONE of the best ways) to experience the web, because it's all about the way you interact with the page.
Of course Flash is missing. So is Windows Media, Real Video, Silverlight, DivX Web Player and the list goes one.
Are they also missing from other mobile platforms that support Flash? Yes. Do we really care? No. Because they are not as widespread as Flash obviously.
(And yes I do know that Adobe reached the mobile platforms by porting Flash while Microsoft, DivX and Real Media didn't)
I think the phrase about the iPad being the best Internet experience is related to the way you interact with the web, not how much of the web you actually get.
And on a personal level my best experience is Flashless, regardless of the platform.
This post got pretty long and I'm not even sure I got the key points there... but well, I guess I'll see 😀
Oh wait, I can't watch them anyway because they are "currently not available on my region" are they?
Seriously though, I understand both sides of the debate but personally I've been hating Flash ever since that time around the 90s or something where it was "cool" to do your website ENTIRELY on Flash, complete with annoying animations, glowing bouncing buttons, and animated not copy-and-pastable text, but thankfully the web has moved on from that
I'm also annoyed by the extremely poor performance of Flash under OSX (even though I'm not fully convinced it's really Apple's fault as Adobe says) but that's not the only reason I hate Flash, because I'm not keen on it even where it shines (the Windows OS, which I use fairly regularly on my Mac).
I also tend to dislike Flash games, or generally don't care about them so the whole "flashless experience" really works for me (in fact, ever since YouTube started the HTML5 beta I started using ClickToFlash again)
I do understand it's a deal breaker for some, but personally I don't agree that SHOULD be there and particularly how since Flash is missing it's not the best web experience as advertised.
Maybe I'm gullible, but the iPad still sounds like "the best" way (or more likely ONE of the best ways) to experience the web, because it's all about the way you interact with the page.
Of course Flash is missing. So is Windows Media, Real Video, Silverlight, DivX Web Player and the list goes one.
Are they also missing from other mobile platforms that support Flash? Yes. Do we really care? No. Because they are not as widespread as Flash obviously.
(And yes I do know that Adobe reached the mobile platforms by porting Flash while Microsoft, DivX and Real Media didn't)
I think the phrase about the iPad being the best Internet experience is related to the way you interact with the web, not how much of the web you actually get.
And on a personal level my best experience is Flashless, regardless of the platform.
This post got pretty long and I'm not even sure I got the key points there... but well, I guess I'll see 😀
aucl
macrumors 6502
I tried to watch one of the examples on their page, and first the system seemed to hang 10-15sec and then it appeared but was still slow. Fans started to spin right away from that. Oh, and internet is stable 12mbit so it should really not take long to get the first slide.
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macrumors 6502a
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At this rate all
is really doing is having a local cloud and external cloud based computing. Watch as the AirPort Extreme/TimeMachine will be used to serve all content to all devices in the product spectrum. Why carry a SuperDrive built-in when you can have an APE/TM along with a SuperDrive. It cuts cost and waste to not have it on all computers and can be just a little Greener.I will not be surprised if the SuperDrive will be phased out in favour for a SD slot to minimize weight.
This is 100% right. 90+% of the flash based stuff is just glitzy BS. I want content, period. Well written information about news, sports, technology, ect. Everything else I need can be apps, developed by competent folks, not the monkeys that can use flash.