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Why should we care if developers have to alter their programs because the screen resolution changes?

Technology should be able to move forward without concern for software development.

Provide developers the tools they need in the APIs and let them redevelop. Engineer hardware to the best new technology level possible.

MR....stop giving Apple ideas on how to fudge things.

Exactly!

Every time Apple changes something... the developers are ready with updates.

How many iPhone apps are stuck at 480x320 today?

Even after a month... iPad apps are quickly updating to Retina resolution.
 
it drives me nuts having to use two keypresses to get a comma or an apostrophe.
Do you know about the slide and release trick? Press down your finger on the 123 key, slide it over to the comma key and release. You get comma in just one tap-slide-release motion. Once you memorize it, you can do it really fast.

Incorrect. Apple currently sells and supports iOS devices with four different screen resolutions (iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4/4S retina, iPad 2, and "new" iPad retina). By my count, adding this new one would make that five (I do expect the 3GS to leave the market sooner or later; actually I expected it to do so nearly a year ago, but chances are developers will still want their apps to support a device that was just recently pulled from the market).
It's actually 8 once you consider landscape/portrait orientations for each resolution.

However, with the 3GS getting left behind the 3-year support horizon, it creates a good time for Apple to replace it with a new resolution.
 
4" or will stay on Android (switched with the lame iPhone 4S announcement)

The iPhone 4S looks like a thick brick with a small screen, and because of the stupid antenna and glass sides most people have to add a protection.

And I know nowadays people bought into the Apple PR and marketing (propaganda), are disillusioned and don't expect any innovation anymore, but here is my own wish list for the iPhone 5th:

- Thinner, why not tapered, with a flat back
- Larger screen, 4" is perfect
- Redesigned stronger body, new color (Dark grey instead of the current plastic toy black)
- Minimum bezel, it's a waste of space, the iPod Touch has it right
- A6 (mobile quad core) not the A5X
- Bigger memory capacity (the way Apple has been holding the capacity is ridiculous) with a 32GB minimum.
- iSight HD (real one, not the marketing BS recently served by Apple on the iPad 3 pretending the back camera is an iSight. It has always been the front camera, and front the iPhone to the Macs, it sucks)
- Better camera for dark/night pictures
- Wifi 802.11ac standard and LTE Advanced for ALL COUNTRIES
- New dock connector with maybe a Micro USB 3.0 (which should be a standard) or Thunderbolt port.
- NFC or RFID capacity
- And of course a better iOS 6 with actual useful new features
 
While I think the existing size is fine, and I'm absolutely opposed to any change which makes my phone physically bigger, and I think "yet another res" would be horrible for apps all around, this, this is a change I could actually support. Phone size would stay the same, just with less top/bottom bezel. And most standard-controls apps would need only minimal re-tooling to work properly. This I like.

Spoken like a true non developer. Users just believe that great software appears magically out of thin air. They don't understand that it's never as simple as "minimal re-tooling."
 
When is Apple planning to do a redesign of iOS? I think it's getting a bit stale. I don't need a bigger screen if all I'm getting is an extra row of apps/folders.
 
Good point

I think the problem with this idea is that, in general, people can't see that much detail anyway -- they can't even see the detail of the current screen.
So you'd make the device more expensive, slower, and/or reduce battery life or make it heavier... in order to make the screen sharper to a degree that no one (or very few at least) can perceive.

Good point but I am of the belief that even though what you said is true it still better fits today's media (without scaling). the battery life is a good point but the 3rd gen iPad pulled it off so I can see it working with the iPhone. At this point I'm more interested in what they're planning to do with the CPU. A5X? A6? A5X based on a 28nm process/higher clock speed?
 
Umm - my apple product is not 16:9. My 2011 Macbook Air 13 is 16:10, as I believe all current MBPs are. Only the 11inch MBA is 16:9. In fact, excluding that one model, no Apple products are 16x9 currently.

Whoops I stand (Actually sit) partially corrected. The 21.5 and 27 inch iMacs, 11 inch MBA, and Thunderbolt Display are 16:9. iOS devices, MBPs and 13 inch MBA are still 16:10.
 
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Easy to support

Speaking as a developer, this change would be relatively easy to support. I don't need to re-do all my assets, just detect the aspect ratio of the screen. I already do this for iPad support, so in my case this is just a few lines of code. Not a big deal for me, and will make videos much nicer.

This makes all sorts of sense, and allows for a meaningful update to the iPod Touch as well, which that line probably needs at this point. Very interesting possibility.
 
Apple has been marketing the term Retina and the current dpi since they introduced the iPhone 4. There is no way in hell they are going to lower that number in any way.

Is the iPad not a retina display? Don't get stuck on retina being defined as 326 dpi only. Retina just means high density display. Apple themselves have said 264 dpi is still retina and they consider it very good for the iPad. I bet you would never be able to tell the difference.
 
- Thinner, why not tapered, with a flat back
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- Better camera for dark/night pictures

There's a reason why the Nokia Pureview is thick. A better low light performance at the same generation of sensors can only come from larger sensor size, which means thicker body or a hump in a thin body.

The elongated 4" size sounds pretty feasible. I've been wondering why we've been hearing 4" when it clearly won't be Retina. I still want to see a slightly wider width with less bezel though.
 
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Is the iPad not a retina display? Don't get stuck on retina being defined as 326 dpi only. Retina just means high density display. Apple themselves have said 264 dpi is still retina and they consider it very good for the iPad. I bet you would never be able to tell the difference.

Sigh... There is a difference for the iPad because it's larger and held further away from the face compared to the iPhone which is why they can get away with 264 dpi as retina for the iPad. They can't drop the dpi of the iPhone and call it Retina without people bashing them about it
 
I've been actually asking "normal" people who use iPhones if there were two iPhones, one with the current size screen and one with a 4.3 inch screen, which one would they choose? I would say almost all the responses have been, the larger screen. Now these are the people that Apple has gotten to buy iPhones that would probably have never gotten a smartphone. These are the people that they make their money off of... not some group of message board posters who have to try and justify why the current size is perfect.

Face it, the iPhone is tiny and everyone here doesn't think it's necessary to increase screen size because Apple wouldn't have "pioneered" it. But trust me, Apple would spin a larger screen by saying "they did it right" just like how they ripped off the notification pull down bar.
 
4" or will stay on Android (switched with the lame iPhone 4S announcement)

The iPhone 4S looks like a thick brick with a small screen, and because of the stupid antenna and glass sides most people have to add a protection.

And I know nowadays people bought into the Apple PR and marketing (propaganda), are disillusioned and don't expect any innovation anymore, but here is my own wish list for the iPhone 5th:

- Thinner, why not tapered, with a flat back
- Larger screen, 4" is perfect
- Redesigned stronger body, new color (Dark grey instead of the current plastic toy black)
- Minimum bezel, it's a waste of space, the iPod Touch has it right
- A6 (mobile quad core) not the A5X
- Bigger memory capacity (the way Apple has been holding the capacity is ridiculous) with a 32GB minimum.
- iSight HD (real one, not the marketing BS recently served by Apple on the iPad 3 pretending the back camera is an iSight. It has always been the front camera, and front the iPhone to the Macs, it sucks)
- Better camera for dark/night pictures
- Wifi 802.11ac standard and LTE Advanced for ALL COUNTRIES
- New dock connector with maybe a Micro USB 3.0 (which should be a standard) or Thunderbolt port.
- NFC or RFID capacity
- And of course a better iOS 6 with actual useful new features
Dude... It's Apple we're talking about here. You'll get all these features in 2020. They will milk us with as little upgrade as possible ;-)
 
The iPhone 4S looks like a thick brick with a small screen.

- A6 (mobile quad core) not the A5X

1. So, one of, if not the thinnest smartphone in the world looks like "a thick brick"? Go figure

2. Why the hell do you want quad-core in a phone? I can see no practical reasons why it should be quad-core, other than to appease hardware "geeks"
 
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I wonder if a supplier check would indicate the possible display matrix that Apple has to choose from? Some of the resolutions that people are suggesting are pretty odd.

I suggested 1138x640 as this is what you get if you keep the original width as suggested by the story and calculate a 16:9 ratio.

This is a rather odd size, but it is a consequence of trying to make the original story less odd by going to a more common ratio.
 
Please no!

As a developer, I would say hell no to a change in aspect ratio like this. Most layouts assume 480 points x 320 points.
 
Or apple could switch to an apx. 4-inch 16:10 Display, 1280 by 800 @ 324ppi, if I understand the Maths?
It would be big enough in every direction to accommodate current apps, written for 960 by 640, should apple decide to let them run.
16:10, or 10:16(?) would allow for enough height to comfortably display tall wepbages and additional lines of data such as social networking entries - but not having quite such a survere impact on the pillarboxing of old 4:3 and 5:4 video. It would also be less jarring than a 16:9 display, which when viewed portrait looks shockingly disproportionate.

A larger screen would also be a good opportunity to make minor modifications to the face of iPhone, such as repositioning the home button lower down then raising the speaker above the FaceTime camera in order to accommodate for the vertical space lost to the screen like so:

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Possibly the best mockup yet I have ever seen :p :cool:
 
Since Gruber has been known to speak coyly about his occasional inside knowledge,

No he hasn't. Arn, you need to get over this man crush with gruber. Gruber posts speculations, often speculations based on *rumors*, and in the most recent case, a speculation based on research YOU YOURSELF DID! (you worked out that the 7.85 display width would work for the iPad.)

This is how the rumor sphere has become a circle jerk. People post rumors, you report the rumors, gruber filters them for plausibility and then endorses the ones he thinks, you take it as confirmation because you've got this deluded idea that he's got contacts within Apple.

Gruber, of course, isn't going to reveal the fact that he's got no inside knowledge on Apple because it enhances his popularity (and his ability to sell ads) every time you put him forth as a source.

But doing so torpedoes your credibility to anyone who really understands Apple.

I posted the "fact" that Apple was NOT going to release the iPad for the next 18 months about 2 years before they did. At the time, you and everyone else was claiming Apple was going to release a tablet. I turned out to be right. But of course, you didn't' report on this rumor because I was honest and didn't pretend to have inside info.

Its asinine that you will take someone with zero credibility and zero success at breaking news (notice how every thing he claims is something that was already a rumor) and act as if he's confirmation?
 
Meh. I think the current size is fine, but that's mainly because I don't try and accomplish every living task under the effing sun on my effing iPhone.

But whatever.... "This is The United States of 'Merica, dang it! Go big or go home!"

Hell, at least a much larger phone will be in proportion to half of our populace that are morbidly fat-assed.
 
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