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Apple Could Soon Face 'Sweeping' U.S. Antitrust Lawsuit
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And now at my work, ALL personal devices are blocked, VPN is ONLY possible from work owned computers. We MUST use 2 factor authentication every 3 days (max) or when ever a new IP is noted. It is likely that more open (shared) computers will have USB restrictions in place.
I have talked to one person in Australia who can use ONE computer on ONE networking port in their whole business.
No one cares about the "adults" in the room, the idiots out number them 100 to 1 and pose a serious threat to everyone.
The same could be said for freedom, however. The US, where Americans are 'free' to have a gun to protect themselves from... guess who; other Americans, and the number of homeless in the US who don't have their basic needs met present a contrasting view. Therefore you have people living living in control (armed), living in fear (unarmed), and people merely existing. One could say that Communism is no worse than 'freedom'.
There are a lot of countries that are more socialist than the USA (who also is socialist) and function far better than the USA.
If you think the USA is not socialist then where does the money fro the military , police, fire,etc etc etc come from...compulsory taxes. Other countries just include better education (as a right), Health care, welfare , pensions, holidays, maternity leave, etc etc etc. By the PEOPLE for the PEOPLE.
What you are talking about is dictatorships , and at that point Left/Right are essentially the same thing.
We can down firearms for more than self protection and if need be they can be used against criminals and not all of them are born in the U.S. If its so bad here why do MILLIONS risk everything to come here. I can call Biden a dimwit and nothing will happen to me, try that in Russia, China or South Korea and probably most of the EU. Freedom is just that, Freedom.
I think one big question is whether or not “Spotify” as a business was a sound idea to start with? No. No no no no, not by a long shot. It was created in the heady days of “lose money for years and years and then… eventually… profit!” But, that works if you’ve got something unique that folks will go out of their way for… and considering that there’s virtually no difference between playing “Kookie’s Mad Pad” on Tidal or Apple Music or Spotify or Deezer, they don’t have that. They just returned to a 1% profit last year, but that was after cutting payments to artists and raising their prices. They’d have the same problems even if Apple Music didn’t exist. Because, Tidal and Deezer WOULD still exist.
In trying to find out how many streams Spotify sends to Apple devices (couldn’t find it) I saw how many users they had. And if they’re finding it difficult to turn a profit with THOSE many users? That’s just the problem of being in the streaming music business, I guess.
Let this be a lesson to all other US companies, never to do anything really great that customers actually love...some clueless psycopaths will come along and decide you're breaking the law.
Not here is a lot more than air tas competitors can not do keep their networks of updating device locations online. Nor can they use the Bluetooth antenna as constantly to listen for their devices to updating their locations.
It requires their app being in the background at all times and even then super limited if it can use locations to update the location. Big time with apple reduce access to location data.
Apple airtags any Apple device see an airtag boom location updated. Unlimited access to Bluetooth. Unlimited access to location data.
That is US politics. Grandstanding clueless corrupt morons.
I could understand the lawsuit if Apple were the only option and no other competitors could even get traction, but Android has a huge market share and if you don’t like how Apple does things, switch to Android. But the fact Apple is being punished for making superior products and services is about apropos with how dysfunctional and pathetic the US political system is top down.
I don’t think anything has changed since then. Thousands of startups are launched every year for the single purpose of being bought by a bigger company. With the right deals in place and better technology, Spotify could exist as a platform on its own but poor timing and bad execution kept them from running away with the market. The music industry is too small to support the amount of players out there so they will die or be acquired in the next 3 years.
That’s a good point. AND, the EU has basically said, “As long as you have a tiny market here, no regulation required.” And, it appears to me that the Vision Pro is just the kind of high dollar, low sales (<3M a year) thing that having a tiny market in the EU by restricting sales (but much larger in the US) would still make enough profit for them to continue to invest in it. With no interference from the EU.
For anyone in the EU expecting to buy one of the first US versions with US credentials and payment details and use it within the geographical region of the EU… ahhh, let someone else try first.
Actually they upgraded iTunes to be a streaming service by acquiring a streaming service to upgrade iTunes with. They did not rip off anything. Streaming was the obvious long term music model long before Spotify existed and it was always destined to be a loss leader product.
You don't need a firearm to defend yourself, there's always Karate or a baseball bat, both of which are less instantly fatal. If firearms were illegal, then you would have a far less need to 'defend' yourself against same. Millions of people in the world are living in poverty, and seek a better society. A better society is subjective, and if it is the choice between a society with poverty and the risk of death from malnutrition to a society with poverty and the risk of death from being shot, then one would hope the chances of being shot are less than malnutrition, making the latter a better alternative. And just because you're 'free' to call Biden a dimwit doesn't mean someone won't shoot you for it, because they 'can'. Americans need firearms to defend themselves from themselves, born and bred or naturalised. That's a recipe for one hornets nest of a country that calls itself 'free'.
Anyway, we digress; point is that the US is not the 'free' cornerstone of western civilisation it once professed to be; it is engulfed in political stalemates, arms races, wealth divides, and increasing debt, so when talking about extremes, the US is one also. I have often made the comparison that the US is just another Middle East, with alternative religious undertones.
The United States Justice Department is in the "late stages" of an antitrust investigation into Apple that could soon lead to an antitrust lawsuit, reports The New York Times. The DoJ could be ready to file a "sweeping" antitrust case in the first half of 2024, with the agency considering how Apple's control over hardware and software locks consumers into the Apple ecosystem and makes it difficult for rivals to compete.
Apple officials have met with the DoJ several times during the investigation, which has covered everything from iMessage to the Apple Watch. Some of the topics looked at:
Apple competitors like Tile, Beeper, Basecamp, Meta, and Spotify have talked with antitrust investigators, as have banks that have wanted access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities.
- How the Apple Watch works better with iPhone than other smart watches do.
- How Apple locks competitors out of iMessage.
- How Apple blocks other financial firms from offering tap-to-pay services similar to Apple Pay on the iPhone.
- Whether Apple favors its own apps and services over those provided by third-party developers.
- How Apple has blocked cloud gaming apps from the App Store.
- How Apple restricts the iPhone's location services from devices that compete with AirTag.
- How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.
- In-app purchase fees collected by Apple.
The Department of Justice has not yet made a final decision about whether a lawsuit should be filed, and Apple has not yet had a chance to have a final meeting to plead its case before a lawsuit is filed.
Apple and Microsoft are the only "big five" companies not currently facing U.S. lawsuits over their business practices. Google, Amazon, and Meta are all facing off against the DoJ or the FTC.
Over the last several years, Apple has defended itself against antitrust accusations in the U.S. In 2020, the U.S. House Judiciary Antitrust Subcommittee said that Apple, Meta, Google, and Amazon have the "kinds of monopolies" last seen in "the era of oil barons and railroad tycoons."
Apple has argued that it does not have a dominant market share in any category where it does business, and the company also often cites the opportunities and jobs provided by the App Store. If the DoJ does opt to file an antitrust lawsuit, it will likely lead to a multi-year legal battle.
Though Apple has so far avoided regulatory action in the United States, it has been struggling against antitrust rules put in place in the European Union. The Digital Markets Act (DMA) could soon force Apple to make significant
Nobody wants to be locked to Apple Pay. Right now, NFC on iPhone can only be used by Apple Pay.
If you want to transfer funds to other parties, you cannot use NFC to tap with other phones.
The consumer is the only one that will lose if the DOJ is successful. The idea that you cannot create products that work better together than with someone else’s is outrageous.
What is the incentive to make things if you have to accommodate every person who wants to make a product that works with it.
What is the incentive to make things if you have to accommodate every person who wants to make a product that works with it.
This is VERY true. Tile, as a first mover, was in a position to have their trackers in anything and the companies would have happily played along with them. Some did, but I guess they saw their growth as being the subscription service, not in “Tile Everywhere” or whatever they would have called it.
Oh wait, they didn’t even try calling it anything cute.
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Tile trackers help you find your keys, wallet, phone and more. Join the world's largest lost and found community and never lose what matters most.
That is their list of partners. This is after YEARS long exposure in the market, most of that where they were the only real player. Some of these partnerships aren’t even more than a few years old. It’s like they waited to see how Apple did it and then thought, “Ohhhhhh, we should do THAAAAT”.
They squandered their lead and where they are now is what happens when companies do that.
Hmmm reaching here.
Apple Music is terrible, I understand it's subjective but eight years after they launched it Spotify has twice the amount of paying subscribers. Spotify have added more paying users since Apple Music launched than Apple has, despite Apple Music being preloaded on every iOS device and Mac.
Loss Leader or not those numbers are ugly for Apple, particularly when you consider that all of the shifty practices they employed to try to undermine Spotify really put them on the radar of the regulators.
Apple Music was the name of the music player at launch of the original iPhone. If you look at that player today it functions almost identically to how it functioned when the first iPhone was released, other than today it integrates with a streaming library. I have used Spotify, Youtube Music, Google Music, and Apple Music. Personally I prefer Apple Music.
Good point, I know folks that have iPhones, but use Google’s services because they don’t want to be able to go back and forth depending on which OS best fits their need at the time, and Apple’s services don’t really allow that.
Tile COULD have become the number two hardware tracker just off name recognition alone. They wouldn’t be able to charge their subscription fees (maybe they would?) but Apple created the API that anyone making hardware can use to make trackers that Apple won’t. Of course, Tile’s not known for smart business decisions.Welp... that's what happens when you build your product on someone else's platform.
The platform owner can change their rules at any time.
Maybe Tile should have gotten into ceramics instead of electronics...
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The United States Justice Department is in the "late stages" of an antitrust investigation into Apple that could soon lead to an antitrust lawsuit, reports The New York Times. The DoJ could be ready to file a "sweeping" antitrust case in the first half of 2024, with the agency considering how Apple's control over hardware and software locks consumers into the Apple ecosystem and makes it difficult for rivals to compete.
Apple officials have met with the DoJ several times during the investigation, which has covered everything from iMessage to the Apple Watch. Some of the topics looked at:
Apple competitors like Tile, Beeper, Basecamp, Meta, and Spotify have talked with antitrust investigators, as have banks that have wanted access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities.
- How the Apple Watch works better with iPhone than other smart watches do.
- How Apple locks competitors out of iMessage.
- How Apple blocks other financial firms from offering tap-to-pay services similar to Apple Pay on the iPhone.
- Whether Apple favors its own apps and services over those provided by third-party developers.
- How Apple has blocked cloud gaming apps from the App Store.
- How Apple restricts the iPhone's location services from devices that compete with AirTag.
- How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.
- In-app purchase fees collected by Apple.
The Department of Justice has not yet made a final decision about whether a lawsuit should be filed, and Apple has not yet had a chance to have a final meeting to plead its case before a lawsuit is filed.
Apple and Microsoft are the only "big five" companies not currently facing U.S. lawsuits over their business practices. Google, Amazon, and Meta are all facing off against the DoJ or the FTC.
Over the last several years, Apple has defended itself against antitrust accusations in the U.S. In 2020, the U.S. House Judiciary Antitrust Subcommittee said that Apple, Meta, Google, and Amazon have the "kinds of monopolies" last seen in "the era of oil barons and railroad tycoons."
Apple has argued that it does not have a dominant market share in any category where it does business, and the company also often cites the opportunities and jobs provided by the App Store. If the DoJ does opt to file an antitrust lawsuit, it will likely lead to a multi-year legal battle.
Though Apple has so far avoided regulatory action in the United States, it has been struggling against antitrust rules put in place in the European Union. The Digital Markets Act (DMA) could soon force Apple to make significant chances to the App Store, Siri, Messages, FaceTime, and other services. Apple is, for example, already working to add support for sideloading apps to iPhones in Europe, functionality that we are expecting to see sometime later this year.
Article Link: Apple Could Soon Face 'Sweeping' U.S. Antitrust Lawsuit
How about the way they lock you regarding passwords. My iphone broke and I purchased an android phone. I wanted my passwords from keychain (it was called icloud keychain at the time)
The United States Justice Department is in the "late stages" of an antitrust investigation into Apple that could soon lead to an antitrust lawsuit, reports The New York Times. The DoJ could be ready to file a "sweeping" antitrust case in the first half of 2024, with the agency considering how Apple's control over hardware and software locks consumers into the Apple ecosystem and makes it difficult for rivals to compete.
Apple officials have met with the DoJ several times during the investigation, which has covered everything from iMessage to the Apple Watch. Some of the topics looked at:
Apple competitors like Tile, Beeper, Basecamp, Meta, and Spotify have talked with antitrust investigators, as have banks that have wanted access to the iPhone's NFC capabilities.
- How the Apple Watch works better with iPhone than other smart watches do.
- How Apple locks competitors out of iMessage.
- How Apple blocks other financial firms from offering tap-to-pay services similar to Apple Pay on the iPhone.
- Whether Apple favors its own apps and services over those provided by third-party developers.
- How Apple has blocked cloud gaming apps from the App Store.
- How Apple restricts the iPhone's location services from devices that compete with AirTag.
- How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.
- In-app purchase fees collected by Apple.
The Department of Justice has not yet made a final decision about whether a lawsuit should be filed, and Apple has not yet had a chance to have a final meeting to plead its case before a lawsuit is filed.
Apple and Microsoft are the only "big five" companies not currently facing U.S. lawsuits over their business practices. Google, Amazon, and Meta are all facing off against the DoJ or the FTC.
Over the last several years, Apple has defended itself against antitrust accusations in the U.S. In 2020, the U.S. House Judiciary Antitrust Subcommittee said that Apple, Meta, Google, and Amazon have the "kinds of monopolies" last seen in "the era of oil barons and railroad tycoons."
Apple has argued that it does not have a dominant market share in any category where it does business, and the company also often cites the opportunities and jobs provided by the App Store. If the DoJ does opt to file an antitrust lawsuit, it will likely lead to a multi-year legal battle.
Though Apple has so far avoided regulatory action in the United States, it has been struggling against antitrust rules put in place in the European Union. The Digital Markets Act (DMA) could soon force Apple to make significant chances to the App Store, Siri, Messages, FaceTime, and other services. Apple is, for example, already working to add support for sideloading apps to iPhones in Europe, functionality that we are expecting to see sometime later this year.
Article Link: Apple Could Soon Face 'Sweeping' U.S. Antitrust Lawsuit
I was told to buy an apple device or kiss my passwords goodbye.
This was during covid and i was stuck in Vietnam and was locked out of all , doctor, hospital, healthcare, bank apps etc.
Even worse i got hold a mac and the process of getting my passwords out was following:
Open keychain
- enter password
- copy site name
- paste site name to notes
- enter password again to keychain
- copy username
- paste username to notes
- enter password
- copy password
- paste password to notes.
I had at that time 420 passwords so process was doing this 420 times
Most people in this world one 1 device .. a phone and they change it when it breaks.
That means you can not get your passwords if you want to go android.. you are trapped.