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Because Apple doesn't have magical powers. They can't inspect that which they don't have.
And you know this...how?
And the fact that it hasn't happened on an iPhone yet, despite vastly more iPhones than Android devices "in the wild," says a lot.
Android: A Big Bag of Hurt.
Wasn't there examples of iPhone apps taking peoples phonebooks being approved by Apple even though that behavior isn't supposed to be allowed (at least without any sort of notification)?
And the fact that it hasn't happened on an iPhone yet, despite vastly more iPhones than Android devices "in the wild," says a lot.
Android: A Big Bag of Hurt.
Can we lump iPods into this bag of hurt?
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/10/ipod-ships-with-virus.html
I told you why it hasn't happened (the sandbox). How could it have happened? iPhone has no SD card that can be removed and loaded with malware. It has no ability to be mounted as a drive (yet) so that malware can be loaded onto it. This type of situation is impossible on the iPhone because of its design, not because of Apple's appstore oversight.
Trust me - when OS 3.2 comes out and you can mount iPhones as hard disks, someone will load malware onto one, return it to Fry's where it will be re-shrinkwrapped without being examined and sold to someone who will shriek "eek! it's got malware on it!"
Can we lump iPods into this bag of hurt?
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/10/ipod-ships-with-virus.html
If you want to refer to a 4-year-old article regarding an obsolete device, sure.
I don't care about the details.
All i'm saying is, things like these are less likely to happen on the iPhone.
whether it was HTC or the seller's fault or the users fault, i don't care. It still happened.
Agree with you on the first paragraph. but Apple's app store oversight also helps.
Disagree on the second.
The impossibility of it is more important to us than the reason for that impossibility.
Only time will tell. If the iPhone becomes the Windows of mobile devices, yes, I fear Windows-like security pain. While my AAPL likes the idea of iPhone (and/or Mac) market domination, my joy of security-worry-free computing does not.
Dilemma.
If you want to refer to a 4-year-old article regarding an obsolete device, sure.
Can we agree that either situations would be moot if more people used a more secure OS which was less susceptible to viruses?
ROTFL. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, huh?
Well, then I guess the fact that iPod had the same thing happen to it should be ignored (not like Apple exercised control over iPods). Or the fact that iPhone apps have actually stolen addressbook information and used it for nefarious purposes. Or the fact that as soon as OS 3.2 allows disk mounting the same thing will happen to refurb iPhones sold through lazy retailers.
Ok, well, if the facts don't matter, the reason this exact situation hasn't (though other comparable ones have) happened to iPhone is because the Flying Spaghetti Monster intervened by waving his noodly appendages over Cupertino.
Then you are having a different conversation. Because the original postulate was that the REASON it didn't happen yet to iPhone was because Apple keeps tight control on the appstore. That is all I am disputing.
well, i said i agree with you.
Apple's tight control of the App Store AND Apple's hardware and software design .
This is like the WinBots shouting that OS X would also have malware worries if not for their "pathetic" market share.
Who cares - the bottom line is I can surf the Web without running a malware detector every night.
Can we agree that either situations would be moot if more people used a more secure OS which was less susceptible to viruses?
Of course. And there are "more secure" OSes but there is no "secure" OS. If you can create it, you can break it. Security by obscurity is, of course, a great position. Which applies to Mac - but won't apply to the iPhone.
Hey, at least you'll be able to download a free malware scanner from the Android Market.
Same conversation. The reasons why it happened (or why it wouldn't happen on an iPhone) are speculative on our parts. The fact is that it did happen on an Android device. And it has not happened on an iPhone. And ultimately that's all that matters.
The FACT is, IT HAPPENED.
and it happened because Android is supposed to be an "open platform" or whatever...
The chances of a bad app appearing on android phones are greater than on iPhones (now im talking about "bad" apps in general).
But enough about Android, I can't wait to start talking about malware on Windows Phone 7 Series devices.
That's not at all why it happened! Once more, with feeling: someone loaded PC malware onto an SD card, and stuck it into the phone. This had absolutely nothing to do with Android's "openness."
I happened because you can mount the SD card as an external drive. If the same 8GB was installed in any SDHC compliant device, the same thing would have happened. It's got nothing to do with the openness of Android.
I want to know where this 8GB Micro SD was sourced from as Vodafone give 2GB SD cards with the Magic.
you don't get it. I don't care "why" it happened. the fact is IT HAPPENED.
It's got everything to do with Android's openness and in fact this is one of the things Google,etc. are saying are Androids "advantages" over the iPhone.
"we can install apps, whatever to our android phone via sd card, the android market, the web, etc. whatever..YAY we're open the iPhone is a walled-garden! we're better than the iPhone!"
Apparently SD cards on phones = not a good idea after all. Apple chooses correctly yet again.
And arguing that Android's openness isn't going to open up all kinds of security worries is awfully naive.
So, "openness" doesn't include the ability to mount an SD card as an external drive?
And I'm not claiming Apple will be definitely immune to this, because the iPad does have a SD Card Reader for it's Camera Connection Kit.
You keep saying you don't care why it happened, then you say "it happened because Android is open." Either you care or you don't, but you're wrong as to the cause, so each time you incorrectly attribute the problem to Android's openness I will correct you. And iPhoine OS 3.2 will be JUST AS OPEN in this respect (if you're going to call this "open"). You will be able to drag any file you want to iPhones/iPads. This had nothing to do with being open, however. It has to do with having an SD slot. Adding an SD slot doesn't make anything "open." It's a completely different issue.
So, "openness" doesn't include the ability to mount an SD card as an external drive?
And I'm not claiming Apple will be definitely immune to this, because the iPad does have a SD Card Reader for it's Camera Connection Kit.
No ,that's not openness. That's connectivity, for sure, but not openness. Don't doubt that apple some day might permit sd cards directly into the iPad/iPhone - that wouldn't suddenly make Apple "open."
So, "openness" doesn't include the ability to mount an SD card as an external drive?
And I'm not claiming Apple will be definitely immune to this, because the iPad does have a SD Card Reader for it's Camera Connection Kit.
Openness in my eyes is a lack of restrictions on what can be developed on the Android platform and having a choice of where you can source apps.
I take it USB thumb drives are now considered 'open' in this new, evil realm of openness.
correct me? ROFL. cmaier you're a good lawyer but in this case you're just wrong.
having an SD slot AND having an OS that permits app/code to be loaded and infect other devices from that SD slot = Android
having an SD slot And having an OS that allows apps to "STORE" data in that SD slot != "JUST AS OPEN"
two different things.
one OS (Android) allows app/code to be loaded and executed from an SD slot
another OS (iPhone 3.2) allows app to store data on the SD slot.
big difference.