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Openness in my eyes is a lack of restrictions on what can be developed on the Android platform and having a choice of where you can source apps.

Openness is also an open door to a miserable pocket computing experience - which I for one do not want.

Pick your poison.
 
correct me? ROFL. cmaier you're a good lawyer but in this case you're just wrong.

having an SD slot AND having an OS that permits app/code to be loaded and infect other devices from that SD slot = Android


having an SD slot And having an OS "STORE" data in that SD slot != "JUST AS OPEN"


two different things.
It was a virus on a mounted SD card with an autorun.inf.... If you put the same files on any mountable media, the same thing would have happened......
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EDIT: To clarify, NONE of the virus files could even interact with Android OS or execute. This is simply a Windows issue
 
Apparently SD cards on phones = not a good idea after all. Apple chooses correctly yet again. ;)

And arguing that Android's openness isn't going to open up all kinds of security worries is awfully naive.

So, "openness" doesn't include the ability to mount an SD card as an external drive?

And I'm not claiming Apple will be definitely immune to this, because the iPad does have a SD Card Reader for it's Camera Connection Kit. :)

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Android was not infected at all. The malware did not infect the phone's OS or any apps. It does not run on the phone. It was Windows malware simply present on an SD card.
 
It was a virus on a mounted SD card with an autorun.inf.... If you put the same files on any mountable media, the same thing would have happened......

......but not on an iPhone.

This is simply a Windows issue

Heh, Windows manages to extend the reach of its rot yet again. :)

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Android was not infected at all.

It won't be long.
 
......but not on an iPhone.



Heh, Windows manages to extend the reach of its rot yet again. :)



It won't be long.

To be consistent then you should be willing to accept full closing of Macs/OS X as well. App store for OS X anybody?
 
You keep making up stuff to back up your point. Apple never said the apps were good and now they are bad. They said that they no longer want to carry certain apps in their store. It happens all the time among retail stores.



The fact that Apple has virtually unlimited shelf space does not obligate them to never remove an app.



Consumers interest does not obligate a company to sell an item.



Apple never claimed it is now a bad product. You made that up.



You should look up hypocrisy and irony. Neither are applicable to this situation.



Wifi apps were removed for using private APIs.



:confused:



What's wrong with being discriminating?



Why should it be different than any other store in the world?

First Apple say "Look we have 3 billion downloads this is great". They had a big banner on their site. It was something they wanted to show off about. Now that 3 billion downloads figure doesn't look so great because by their own admission not all of the apps downloaded were up to scratch. I haven't made anything up, and you inferring that shows you have little understanding of this topic.

Apple don't have to keep apps on because they have unlimited space that wasn't the point. The point was that a real life store does have those limitations so it is not a good comparison. A real store more often will remove stock for reasons of space and consumer interest rather than their own beliefs on what constitutes a good product.

Apple ARE now claiming that many of these apps are bad products. The porn apps, the cookie cutter apps that they loved to include in that 3 billion figure are now out of favour. What other reason would they have for removing them? In fact the act of removing them is a statement that they think that these apps are not worthy of this store. Of course as usual Apple give no explanation for their actions, but someone like you will defend them to the death as if they were some sort of family member.

I'm well aware of the meaning of the words hypocrisy and irony and they both apply very neatly thanks. I think you are being wilfully ignorant, you didn't even understand the point about the porn apps or wifi apps. Perhaps English is not your first language because you keep bringing up arguments which are either irrelevant to what I said or have missed the point.
 
Apple don't have to keep apps on because they have unlimited space that wasn't the point. The point was that a real life store does have those limitations so it is not a good comparison. A real store more often will remove stock for reasons of space and consumer interest rather than their own beliefs on what constitutes a good product.

Apple ARE now claiming that many of these apps are bad products. The porn apps, the cookie cutter apps that they loved to include in that 3 billion figure are now out of favour. What other reason would they have for removing them? In fact the act of removing them is a statement that they think that these apps are not worthy of this store. Of course as usual Apple give no explanation for their actions, but someone like you will defend them to the death as if they were some sort of family member.

British?
 
correct me? ROFL. cmaier you're a good lawyer but in this case you're just wrong.

having an SD slot AND having an OS that permits app/code to be loaded and infect other devices from that SD slot = Android


having an SD slot And having an OS that allows apps to "STORE" data in that SD slot != "JUST AS OPEN"


two different things.


one OS (Android) allows app/code to be loaded and executed from an SD slot

another OS (iPhone 3.2) allows app to store data on the SD slot.


big difference.

I'm also an engineer. Someone took an SD card. Loaded a PC virus in it. Stuck it in the phone. It wouldn't matter if it was any other phone, a picture frame, a camera, or any other device with an SD card slot. Android had nothing to do with it. The malware did not originate from Android, nor does it infect android. The malware does not take advantage of any feature or weakness of Android. The only feature of the phone that mattered was the fact that it had an SD slot.

Please, you have no idea what you are talking about, as many people keep telling you.
 
First Apple say "Look we have 3 billion downloads this is great". They had a big banner on their site. It was something they wanted to show off about. Now that 3 billion downloads figure doesn't look so great because by their own admission not all of the apps downloaded were up to scratch. I haven't made anything up, and you inferring that shows you have little understanding of this topic.

Apple don't have to keep apps on because they have unlimited space that wasn't the point. The point was that a real life store does have those limitations so it is not a good comparison. A real store more often will remove stock for reasons of space and consumer interest rather than their own beliefs on what constitutes a good product.

Apple ARE now claiming that many of these apps are bad products. The porn apps, the cookie cutter apps that they loved to include in that 3 billion figure are now out of favour. What other reason would they have for removing them? In fact the act of removing them is a statement that they think that these apps are not worthy of this store. Of course as usual Apple give no explanation for their actions, but someone like you will defend them to the death as if they were some sort of family member.

I'm well aware of the meaning of the words hypocrisy and irony and they both apply very neatly thanks. I think you are being wilfully ignorant, you didn't even understand the point about the porn apps or wifi apps. Perhaps English is not your first language because you keep bringing up arguments which are either irrelevant to what I said or have missed the point.

Please stop with the personal insults. It has no place in this forum.

The part that you are making up is that "Apple ARE now claiming that many of these apps are bad products." They are not making that claim. You are simply inferring that from their decision to remove them from the app store. You do not know their motivation.

My only point is that it is neither hypocrisy nor irony nor dishonesty to say that you have sold x number of products if you've actually sold x number of products. The fact that you no longer carry products that you used to doesn't change the past.

I understand the situations with wifi apps and the sexy apps. I think Apple was reasonable in their decision to remove the wifi apps for using private APIs. I think they screwed up by changing their minds after allowing them in the first place.

The sexy app thing is just weird. Personally, I understand the reasoning if it is to improve the image of the app store as a whole. I'm all for removing them or even just moving them to another part of the store. Not for any moral reasons. I just would never consider buying them, so it's good to have them out of the way.
 
Please stop with the personal insults. It has no place in this forum.

The part that you are making up is that "Apple ARE now claiming that many of these apps are bad products." They are not making that claim. You are simply inferring that from their decision to remove them from the app store. You do not know their motivation.

My only point is that it is neither hypocrisy nor irony nor dishonesty to say that you have sold x number of products if you've actually sold x number of products. The fact that you no longer carry products that you used to doesn't change the past.

Apple aren't saying anything but there is no other reason for them to have removed these apps. And the term bad product is a loose definition, referring to the wifi apps etc. By bad product I simply mean that they now feel that these apps now don't suit customer interests whereas before they happily included them to big up their numbers.

Why is this not sinking in? The number isn't disputed, its the way it is used. They didn't use it as a statement of their inventory they used it as a marketing tool.
 
Apple aren't saying anything but there is no other reason for them to have removed these apps. .

What an ignorant, and frankly unimaginative statement. Just because you can't think of something does not mean the reasons don't exist. :rolleyes:
 
By bad product I simply mean that they now feel that these apps now don't suit customer interests whereas before they happily included them to big up their numbers.

Again you assume and presume to give out facts that are not facts. You do not know that the apps were allowed at any point just to 'big up their numbers' and now, as you claim to be the case, they are removing them because they don't need those nasty apps to do their 'job' anymore.

They didn't use it as a statement of their inventory they used it as a marketing tool.

1. The numbers were fact. They had X apps in the store and have X downloads of materials from the app store. For all we know, even with the 'bad' apps removed they still would have the same number of downloads, just of different apps.

2. You speak like no other company does marketing. Do you think Toyota recanted their sales numbers because of the problems with their cars. That Microsoft recants their numbers when on the 50 versions of Windows whatever is faulty. No. Or that any of these companies don't use sales numbers in their ads. Of course they do. That's the nature of marketing.

Perhaps the best thing for you to do is walk away. We all get your arguments and your opinion. Apple is evil and either should have left the apps in the store, damn the complaints etc, or should go back and 'correct' their numbers. The argument is illogical and the opinion is not agreed with. That is the nature of free speech, something last I checked exists in Northern Ireland. You used it to make your case, everyone else to make theirs. Now is perhaps the time to simply agree to disagree and everyone (yourself included) can and will stop using said freedom to try to squash or insult.

If you feel so strongly against Apple's actions or their right to take it, without having to give any reason at all, don't participate. Don't buy Apple. The stock, the apps, the anything. Simple. When enough people agree with opinions like yours and take the same action, Apple's sales will plummet and the evil empire will collapse and the world will be saved.
 
If you feel so strongly against Apple's actions or their right to take it, without having to give any reason at all, don't participate. Don't buy Apple. The stock, the apps, the anything. Simple. When enough people agree with opinions like yours and take the same action, Apple's sales will plummet and the evil empire will collapse and the world will be saved.

Perhaps jimmyjoemccrow should consider a kinder, gentler, more benevolent tech dictator. Someone who, yes, will still run you over with a bulldozer before scraping the wallet from your flattened carcass, but at least with enough courtesy to tell you how much they love you as they do it.

Say...Microsoft?
 
you don't get it. I don't care "why" it happened. the fact is IT HAPPENED.

It's got everything to do with Android's openness and in fact this is one of the things Google,etc. are saying are Androids "advantages" over the iPhone.

"we can install apps, whatever to our android phone via sd card, the android market, the web, etc. whatever..YAY we're open the iPhone is a walled-garden! we're better than the iPhone!"

It's got absolutely nothing to do with Android's openness. Are you going to blame your Canon camera when it ships with an SD card that's infected with a Windows virus?

See below, cmaier explains it best.

I'm also an engineer. Someone took an SD card. Loaded a PC virus in it. Stuck it in the phone. It wouldn't matter if it was any other phone, a picture frame, a camera, or any other device with an SD card slot. Android had nothing to do with it. The malware did not originate from Android, nor does it infect android. The malware does not take advantage of any feature or weakness of Android. The only feature of the phone that mattered was the fact that it had an SD slot.

Please, you have no idea what you are talking about, as many people keep telling you.

Basically some of you guys are really off base thinking a platform's openness makes it vulnerable to security issues. Maybe you haven't noticed, but a huge percentage of the world's financial systems, web servers, and other crucial systems run on open source software, as well as being in Apple's products too.
 
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