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I originally assumed they were intended to collate changing information that you wanted to keep an eye on, such as weather, stocks, sports scores etc, in one place, and not just a different way to present an app function.

I may be wrong, but if that's the case I can see why many will fall foul.

Either way, they're useless to me. I got so sick of my 6 Plus I went over to the Note 4 today. Amazing phone so far. Really enjoying being back in Android.
 
Either way, they're useless to me. I got so sick of my 6 Plus I went over to the Note 4 today. Amazing phone so far. Really enjoying being back in Android.
Then it's all useless to you anyway since you don't really care about iOS at this point.
 
I tried installing a simple Android widget on my Samsung phone once to track how much data I was using. It was a royal PITA because there were five different versions covering a thousand different models of phones, then you had to choose from 5-10 different sizes of the apps once installed on the phone.

So you're saying Apple shouldn't allow users to have the functionality of Android because there's too many versions of Android phone and too many versions of an Android app trying to cover the fragmented Android world?

That makes no sense. Because Android has a fragmentation problem, the unified Apple platform can't have a nice single version to provide the functionality?
 
I don't understand what's their problem. If users are happy with this, why would they remove it just for the sake of "simplicity" like if iOS users are children:mad:

this is why i'm surprised so many developers haven't moved to android... they can do what they want and there are more users... and apple isn't helping make a case to not switch or to come back with this stuff. I almost went with the iPhone 6 after defecting to android but.... i'm just not willing to give up one vital thing: letting my phone do what I want it to do and setting it up how i want it.... and apple doesn't like that. The few quirks of android are worth the trade off to me.
 
So you're saying Apple shouldn't allow users to have the functionality of Android because there's too many versions of Android phone and too many versions of an Android app trying to cover the fragmented Android world?

That makes no sense. Because Android has a fragmentation problem, the unified Apple platform can't have a nice single version to provide the functionality?

He's clearly speaking in hyperbole as well. I doubt any such scenario/app exists.
 
Then it's all useless to you anyway since you don't really care about iOS at this point.

Not really, I have my iPad still, which uses iOS. Don't need widgets on there, though. I'll keep my eye on the next iPhone and evolution of iOS in general, and have no intentions of getting rid of my other Apple products. The iPad Air 2 is amazing.
 
this is why i'm surprised so many developers haven't moved to android... they can do what they want and there are more users... and apple isn't helping make a case to not switch or to come back with this stuff. I almost went with the iPhone 6 after defecting to android but.... i'm just not willing to give up one vital thing: letting my phone do what I want it to do and setting it up how i want it.... and apple doesn't like that. The few quirks of android are worth the trade off to me.
A lot of people don't care about most of that because they don't need it and are just fine with what Apple provides.
 
this is why i'm surprised so many developers haven't moved to android... they can do what they want and there are more users... and apple isn't helping make a case to not switch or to come back with this stuff. I almost went with the iPhone 6 after defecting to android but.... i'm just not willing to give up one vital thing: letting my phone do what I want it to do and setting it up how i want it.... and apple doesn't like that. The few quirks of android are worth the trade off to me.

How many people on Android want a note taking widget? Developers can build this stuff for Android, but if the demand isn't there, then what good is it to do so? We're not talking about something that got downloaded by only ten people.

Having all those extra users don't matter in a situation like this.
 
They should crack down on this. The moment they announced third party widgets in notification center, I groaned and immediately thought of all the junk people have in their notification area on the Windows task bar. Waste of system resources just to get at stuff you can already get at elsewhere with one more click or slightly less speed.
 
.... i'm just not willing to give up one vital thing: letting my phone do what I want it to do and setting it up how i want it.... and apple doesn't like that.

Good for you. Seriously.

But it's not so much that Apple doesn't like that. Its more a case of that's not the experience Apple wants to offer.

To put it another way; you want to build your own house from scratch and Apple wants to sell ready-made homes. Both are legitimate. Neither is superior to the other. They just appeal to different groups with different priorities and requirements. There's plenty of money to be made in both.
 
You aware that everyone can access this from lock screen right? And then people complain that the security in iOS is horrible. Rules are there to protect you. It's called NOTIFICATION for a reason, and it's accessible from lock screen for a reason. Adding a keyboard to that is UNACCEPTABLE from any security point of view, notwithstanding your iPhone is basically a credit card now.

Exactly!!!! I've been an Apple fanboy for years but was never an iPhone lover or user until the iPhone 6 & 6+ due to the addition of widgets in the Notification Center via iOS 8.

The understanding of widgets from way back is that they are to be shortcuts to an app, contact, etc. (which Apple seems to be against) or a quick glance at info needed throughout the day such as reminders, events, weather, etc. which is what makes widgets useful and powerful.

Everyone is screaming, "but I want it my way!" As a developer, I am a big fan of customizing a phone to fit one's personality. That is why I was a huge fan of the Nokia N900. But the real issue here isn't about customization, but more about security when talking about widgets on the Notification Center which can be *accessed* from the Lock Screen.

In the age of increased hacking, spamming, and identity theft, Apple sees security as a top priority and indeed they should. Don't make widgets out to be more than what they are. A widget is not an app, it shows you needed info at a glance and that is the true nature of a widget especially if it is accessible via the Lock Screen.

And speaking of the Lock Screen, any phone OS that allows for actionable notifications without secure authentication causes me angst. Does no one else care that you can reply to an iMessage or SMS without authenticating yourself first?
 
Hi.
On behalf of Neato Team I'm here. Here to response.

1- Neato is not a key logger. It doesn't collect any data. We suggested to Apple to add our privacy policy, But Apple just want the keyboard be removed.

2- Before iOS8 a lot of app has their custom keyboard. So the Apple's issue is not having a custom keyboard which has violated 3rd party keyboard boundaries.

3- We are ready to simplify widget. But Apple doesn't accept.

4- Calculator widgets are mini version of apps. What is the different? Neato's keys are A,B,C,.. and those calculators' keys are 1,2,3

5- In the update that we have prepared we improved keyboard, but we can not submit it as it has a keyboard in widget!

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Is it possible to change it to an app and then only allow the widget to show a glance at the notes?
 
Remember MySpace? Strict Protocol is necessary.

When people talk about "innovation", and Apple's inability to "opened up", it always bothers me that the focus of their argument means to imply that allowing developers to essentially do "whatever they want", is always a good thing. Allowing third-party developers to do whatever they want is not always a good thing. Case in point, do people remember the downfall of MySpace at all? That social platform went from being the best thing since sliced bread, to pure junk in about two months. Why? Because they allowed ultra customization through HTML programming at the user's leisure. It was a complete and utter disaster. And just in time for Facebook's controlled ununiformed user experience to completely dominate the Internet. The point is that customization and the evolution of software in devices that are ubiquitous and vital to our every day lives, requires some guidance in order to be maximally productive. Look at the crazy ***** storm windows and android are in because of "open source" free-for-all culture. And at time where people are insanely cautious about privacy matters and malware, and spyware, and every other Dick, Joe, and Harry looking to manipulate your experience for their own benefit, I feel good knowing that Apple's taking precautions to ensure that developers aren't taking advantage of me. That's the premium I'm paying for an Apple product. I spend good hard earned money for my device and this software experience I use daily, it's good to know that someone's looking out for me, and not letting any jerk who can put a little code together get their greedy little hands on my life.

The bottom line? Truly productive innovation requires appropriate guidance. Too many cooks spoil the soup, as they say, and they say that for a reason: because it's true.
 
They should crack down on this. The moment they announced third party widgets in notification center, I groaned and immediately thought of all the junk people have in their notification area on the Windows task bar. Waste of system resources just to get at stuff you can already get at elsewhere with one more click or slightly less speed.

so you like the lack of control or basic features. You do not like it if someone else choose to junk their personal phone with stuff?

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You aware that everyone can access this from lock screen right? And then people complain that the security in iOS is horrible. Rules are there to protect you. It's called NOTIFICATION for a reason, and it's accessible from lock screen for a reason. Adding a keyboard to that is UNACCEPTABLE from any security point of view, notwithstanding your iPhone is basically a credit card now.

simple solution to this and Google did it on their lock screen notifications. That is to hide privacy related one if you so choose to. Default is to hide them you the user has to override that default.

Apple could easily put something like that in place. Things like this app would be block from the lock screen but still work the rest of the time.
 
I assume that technically a widget like this can track your keystrokes, so I understand the reasoning.

Then there needs to be a warning message before using the app like the Google play store does before downloading an app with keyboard apps so it gives the users the choice.

I'm really enjoying my iPhone 6 but I really miss not being treated like a child when it came to installing 3rd party apps with android. Apple assumes every one is an idiot with it comes to technology.
 
Then there needs to be a warning message before using the app like the Google play store does before downloading an app with keyboard apps so it gives the users the choice.

I'm really enjoying my iPhone 6 but I really miss not being treated like a child when it came to installing 3rd party apps with android. Apple assumes every one is an idiot with it comes to technology.
The vast majority of the users pretty much are (as unfortunate as that might be).
 
The vast majority of the users pretty much are (as unfortunate as that might be).

But there should still be an option for people who aren't ignorant. Like adding some advanced setting option that technology ignorant people wouldnt even bother with it.
 
Damn so much for iOS catching up. Still at baby steps. Ah well, next year.
Catching up to what? It's not like it's behind something. It's just different for a different market that it appeals to.

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But there should still be an option for people who aren't ignorant. Like adding some advanced setting option that technology ignorant people wouldnt even bother with it.
That I agree with. Unfortunately that part of it isn't quite in Apple's approach to iOS either, at least not so far.
 
Catching up to what? It's not like it's behind something. It's just different for a different market that it appeals to.

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That I agree with. Unfortunately that part of it isn't quite in Apple's approach to iOS either, at least not so far.
To Android of course.
 
The thing is that third party keyboards give you a warning if it wants full access. A widget like this doesn't.

Not saying it has full access, but it's possible to create a widget with a keyboard that can track your keystrokes.

That is of course true, just like it is possible to secretly upload the data you'd put into a notes app to a server.
You know, the finished note instead of the keystrokes, much more usable anyways.

I get the high risk of keyboards with internet access, but with this app, just like any other app I have to trust the developer.
With keyboards it's still a different situation as they potentially get "everything".

Not my strongest day to put this into words elegantly, I hope you get my drift though.

By the way: no keyboard I install gets full access on my devices.
I'm surprised Apple allows developers keyboards to ask for that whilst on the other hand they put some of the most ridiculous restrictions on them.

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