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Jesus Christ, just finally put macOS (slightly modified for touch interface) on the iPad (or allow it as an "macOS.app" on iOS, to be run by those who just want macOS anyway) and call it a day. Why reinvent a wheel, more so if the original wheel seems by far better polished than the crippled-by-design iOS.
 
By overlapping windows? I guess if the specific parts of each window you wanted to use were not overlapping, but that just seems like such a niche case. I'm trying to envision portrait mode (and ignore the obvious question of why you don't just use it in landscape) and I would think you could stack windows instead of feeling forced to place them horizontally, and then you still have to deal with the room the stage icons take up.

Anyway I'm not trying to make it sound like Stage Manager is useless, because I'm sure many users will find it useful as implemented. Don't take my bafflement as anything other than my own use case scenario.
People are weirdly fixated on having windows overlap; you can also have them side by side, or above and below in portrait.
 
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people have been whinging and whining about not having a windowed environment on an iPad, and here we are.

Careful what you wish for.

Personally I think this level of criticism is unwarranted right now as ITS STILL IN BETA.... and thats why this feedback is important.

Publicly slating it like this is all well and good but this may not even make it live in its current form.


Ive tried it. Its a bit weird... its a different paradigm for working on a tablet for sure, but i dont think its fundamentally wrong.

Patience is key - lets see what Apple makes of it before its released.

I think it makes much LESS sense on MacOS - it seems to be be totally unnecessary there and I dont see many using it.
Are you kidding? I’ve downloaded macOS Ventura and absolutely love stage manager. I don’t know what I would do without it. It really declutters the whole window interface. I am the kind of user that constantly has a couple dozen windows or folders open and I would have to constantly hit command tab or the other option to toggle between windows and honestly it adds a little stress. Stage manager fixes all of that and everything is nice and clean. No clutter. I’m sure they will refine it more as updates are released but my only gripe so far (and I’ve been using it since the first public beta release) is that you cannot change the size of it. I was hoping you could like you could change the size of the doc, but so far, no dice.
 
Maybe we are not seeing the same screen, but in the one you put up there is a ton of wasted space. I'd much rather have the windows expanded all the way to the edge of the viewable screen all the way around, or pretty much what snapping does. If the dock wasn't on screen the windows could take up that space, but a taskbar would be more efficient IMO. I know I can resize overlapping windows, but my point was I don't see the functional gain of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure someone will have a functional use for overlapping windows, it's just not me.
What you want can be done since "forever", just don't activate Stage Manager. But in Stage Manager, there is no difference in windows size if you show the dock or not.
 
Stage Manager sucks so bad. So much padding. Moving apps is difficult because you have to find the right spot for it to latch onto. Very limited. Limited window sizes, that I have massive black bars for my media player (no it does not have PiP). It needs Mission Control for windowed apps, with the rest of the background apps featured as a row of apps above like Mission Control for Mac. You still can't have multiple audio playing simultaneously despite windowed mode.

Make the core experience similar between iPad and Mac.
 
People are weirdly fixated on having windows overlap; you can also have them side by side, or above and below in portrait.

Definitely, I'm just not sure why bother with the stage manager stuff when they could have simply added the ability to multitask/split view vertically. Heck even Samsung has had this for years where you can snap and resize 4 windows (might be more than 4, it's been a while since I've used it).

I thought you were saying the overlapping resolved your issue with using multiple windows in portrait mode by using the overlapping feature. I'm also curious, do the stage manager icons stay on the left when in portrait mode, or can you move those around? That's another bafflement, the stage manager icons are just covering up that iOS has no taskbar, which is really kind of comical.
 
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Anytime I say Stage Manager sucks, people criticize me and say poor Apple is doing the best they can. Quit defending Apple. It’s a public corporation selling iPads for up to $2k that could easily run the same apps as a MacBook Pro 13” or Air 13” M1.

I call it baffling that Apple has come up with nothing really even decent. This whole time they keep trying to create new ways to use it rather than sticking with what works. When Apple likes MacOS features they take them to iPadOS. And when Apple likes iPadOS features they take them to MacOS. There’s no reason Apple cannot do it now. Just allow the same type of multitasking as MacOS.

Don’t defend Apple or say MacOS isn’t touch enabled. That’s just an excuse. We bought these things and should be able to install whatever we want on it also. Apple’s monopolistic behavior is soon coming to an end. The greed over the App Store 30% alone has made Apple lose sight of the big picture and regulators will stop them sooner not later.
It’s an ipad, not a Mac. You are an edge case. The vast majority of iPad users don’t want macOS.
 
Since I and many others do not have an iPad that run this feature I say that Apple would be best served to just shelve this whole debacle until they can release it to a larger audience. Limiting this to M1 (and above) is too small of a user base in comparison to the oceans of iPads without and it is at best a niche for people to brag about but never actually use.

It’s a cool idea and concept but they should wait a few more years and make improvements to it and by then the percentage of M1+ iPads out there in people’s hands should be much higher.
 
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I don't need windows on an 11" iPad with Smartkeyboard and Trackpad connected. I need apps like the real Firefox, real Chrome, a native Terminal app with Homebrew, long running tasks when screen is locked, custom keyboard app shortcuts like it's built-in on macOS and more gesture control like it's possible with BetterTouchTool on macOS.
 
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It’s so strange to me how they decided to waste so much screen real estate.
I feel like this has to do with their obsession with depth on the iPad OS. They waste space could be argued that it provides a sense of stage manager sitting on top of the OS rather than just being the OS? Idk I'm just speculating around a design feature that doesn't make sense.
 
I am annoyed at the screen space wasted.
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Let's not get started with iTunes Apple Music App then...
 
"If Stage Manager is the future of iPadOS for pro users, I hope Apple understands that it can't be rushed. We waited years for this; might as well get it in Spring 2023,"
Since iOS updates are free..they can release it how it is in the Fall...and make adjusments based on the feedback in spring too
We shouldnt wait if its bug free for it....some users will use it as it is and make their feedback for a more polish feature

but he specifically states one of the reasons he wants it delayed is he can't go any length of times without crashes and unexpected, unacceptable behaviors of the apps.
 
Apple should go full Mac-like with their multitasking experience on the iPad (including proper window controls). If you have a mouse and keyboard, there is no reason that an M1 iPad couldn't handle such.
 
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Or.... just roll out features over time like Microsoft and others. The annual and biannual releases are from a time of physical copies of software in a box. The OS doesn't really change anymore, and they are trying to pack things in to justify an annual release which have been very lack luster for the past 5 years.

Then there is always a delayed feature anyway.

Even IOS doesn't need an annual major system overhaul. It's ridiculous that you have to wait for them to do an annual release to add a feature to something like mail, but they think this sells iPhones better than just hardware updates and is really the only reason why they still do this.

I actually like MS model they started with Win10 and still with Win11. They didn't change the OS number until it was a major redesign of the UI, but did biannual releases (and initially quarterly releases) of minor updates and improvements.
Or, they actually do rewrite everything from scratch every time. Maybe that explains the bugs every release... /s
 
Waiting for Tim Cook to demand somebody to step up and say sorry or get fired… just like with Maps.

Could lead to some funny headlines like…
Manager of Stage Manager has been fired
Stage Manager Manager has been fired
Management fired Manager of Stage Manager
I think I like the last one the best
 
What you want can be done since "forever", just don't activate Stage Manager. But in Stage Manager, there is no difference in windows size if you show the dock or not.

Wait, you could snap 4 windows at the same time, and stack windows vertically before this? I'm genuinely asking as I rarely use an iPad for anything.
 
Can we just get iPadOS to allow multiple audio sources at once….my podcast just paused after opening the weather channel app…but more commonly when browsing the web….because of apples half-@$$ coding and refusal to KEEP STUFF PLAYING
Imagine you can't even keep playing audio messages in macOS Messages if you navigate away from them, even within the same app, for iPadOS they may need to cancel the WFH policy altogether to deliver it in 2026 along Maps Moldavia directions pack.
 
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Ever since Craig came on board Apple software quality has gone down the toilet. Every release of Apple's os's are plagued with bugs, delayed or incomplete "features" and piss-poor ui designs.

It never used to be this bad.

He should've been fired years ago
While I agree, the nose dive was apparent prior Craig imo, he just added hair & teeth to the smoke.
 
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Of all Apple users, those using iPads continue to be the most frustrated and fragmented.

Apple will not put macOS on iPad because they know most iPad's are for light duty, general use, by causal users. They will not abandon Stage Manager because some vocal minority of iPad users aren't satisfied with it, and will never be no matter how they modify it. Get a Mac if you don't like the iPad. Stop being frustrated.
 
Apple will not put macOS on iPad because they know most iPad's are for light duty, general use, by causal users

Apple does not want to put macOS on the iPad because they fear it would cut into their Macbook sales. Apple wants you to buy an iPhone, an iPad, and a Mac because it's more profitable for them.
 
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