Supposedly beta 6 has FAR LESS stage manager issues/crashing ….9to5 Mac did a video that is very close to being ready as of beta 6
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Apple Criticized for 'Fundamentally Misguided' Approach to Stage Manager in iPadOS 16
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Doesn't even work on my MBP 14" anymore. I have it on and it doesn't work.
Apple responded by saying it "behaves as intended" 🤣
If there ever was such a thing as a misleading headline this is it. They took a few select words to exaggerate what is happening.
It would be like me saying “Earth determined as flat”. If you read that headline you would think the earth was flat but no a few people think it’s flat.
It would be like me saying “Earth determined as flat”. If you read that headline you would think the earth was flat but no a few people think it’s flat.
Historically there have been around 7 betas before RC. Things could be different, but this is not any _early_ beta by any means, and regardless, the more feedback the better.
The funny thing is that’s usually the first thing I disable on a Windows computer. I want to adjust the windows the way I want to adjust them. There’s nothing I hate worse than trying to move a window and it snaps to the side.
I agree beta 6 has far less crashing… only issue I’m having thus far with this current beta is lockscreen suddenly locks up for some reason. But as far as Stage Manager… it’s been solid for me. And I haven’t watched the 9to5 Mac latest vid on Stage Manager… i do recall they had issues with an external display on 1080p screens.
I don’t consider the headline being misleading. Federico is known to be a iPad guy… for him to dismiss this new headlining feature completely is harsh criticism.
I completely disagree with him that that Stage Manager is unusable. But this will definitely send a message to Apple.
Ever since Craig came on board Apple software quality has gone down the toilet. Every release of Apple's os's are plagued with bugs, delayed or incomplete "features" and piss-poor ui designs.
It never used to be this bad.
He should've been fired years ago
It never used to be this bad.
He should've been fired years ago
You mean thrown under the bus like Forstall was. Cook has been a horrible CEO.
They had another article on the same thing or maybe they changed the headline but it said Federico criticized or something like that. By leaving that part out it’s making it seem like it’s not just him or people parroting him. Maybe the thing is terrible but I really dislike misleading headlines. It kind of reminds me of some YouTube video titles. I’m not against him lighting a fire under Apple because maybe they need to fix something but the headline just drives me crazy 😂
Do you have to use those dots or can you just drag an application window to the other display?
I can't even see myself trying Stage Manager, let alone actually using it daily. It LOOKS like a half-baked idea that tries to address a problem that largely only exists for tech bloggers.
I love the three dots because they have eliminated the last annoyance from split-screen.
That's part of the business... it brings clicks. Federico knows by tweeting this it will certainly bring media scrutiny to Apple. But on the flip side... he's aware iPadOS 16 will be released later than iOS 16... so there is still time to fix bugs. But imagine if he tweeted something related to Stage Manager is the best thing ever... MacRumors or any news site won't see the appeal in that.
I always thought of this as a windows management tool for presentations. Like your go onto a stage to give a marketing spiel at work or publicly as a good example and everything is easily accessible. The fact that they are trying to make it work with high requirements on iPadOS that omits a lot of iPad models has been viewed as troublesome. Yes we can understand some of the reasons, still it's not what a lot of us wanted as the only multitasking solution for the future of iPadOS IMHO.
No it wasn’t Federico’s tweet or at least I don’t think so that the headline come from. I was talking about the headline to this article that MacRumors wrote. But you’re right it is clicks and maybe the one they had that said Federico criticized it didn’t get many clicks because not enough people know who he is? The Internet is all about clicks so yeah I get it it’s just annoying.
Maybe we are not seeing the same screen, but in the one you put up there is a ton of wasted space. I'd much rather have the windows expanded all the way to the edge of the viewable screen all the way around, or pretty much what snapping does. If the dock wasn't on screen the windows could take up that space, but a taskbar would be more efficient IMO. I know I can resize overlapping windows, but my point was I don't see the functional gain of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure someone will have a functional use for overlapping windows, it's just not me.
Couldn’t agree more. If Apple wants to do things fundamentally different on the iPad, there’s zero reason to introduce it to macOS as well. It makes things far too confusing.
In fact, on the iPad it’s a mess as well. Even on ios 15 it’s already confusing with the dock, multiple app instances, split view, the overlay window with its own carrousel. It drives me crazy and I never use it and Stage manager will only add to the confusion for many users.
Apple seems to have forgotten to keep things simple. The Focus modes are an other example of features that become far too messy.
Oh, the headline came from MacRumors themselves. And through the headline they decided to link Federico tweets to solidify the headline. By Federico stating he know longer will use it, MacRumors decided to headline it as “Fundamentally Misguided” and as far I‘m aware… Federico has not stated that.
But implied a certain method should be applied on Stage Manager, but Apple decided to not go with that method right now. And because of Apple reluctance to use his feature request right now… the result is to make a tweet about it.
By overlapping windows? I guess if the specific parts of each window you wanted to use were not overlapping, but that just seems like such a niche case. I'm trying to envision portrait mode (and ignore the obvious question of why you don't just use it in landscape) and I would think you could stack windows instead of feeling forced to place them horizontally, and then you still have to deal with the room the stage icons take up.
Anyway I'm not trying to make it sound like Stage Manager is useless, because I'm sure many users will find it useful as implemented. Don't take my bafflement as anything other than my own use case scenario.
Still don't understand why Apple has to "over-complicate" so much simple things. Everybody was just asking for external support, period. But, no, Apple had to release a complicated feature and of course, only make it compatible with just 2 iPads, giving the finger to the rest millions of iPad users...oh dear, oh dear...
Stage Manager in the iPadOS 16 beta is receiving heavy criticism for being "fundamentally misguided" in its approach to bringing a new level of multitasking to the iPad experience, with some even calling on Apple to delay the feature entirely due to its shortcomings.
Federico Viticci, the founder and editor in chief of MacStories and a prominent member of the Apple community, outlined his frustration with Stage Manager in a Twitter thread earlier this week. Viticci says that design decisions built into Stage Manager are "fundamentally misguided," arguing that the feature is unstable, hard to use, and has user interface glitches across the experience.
"If Stage Manager is the future of iPadOS for pro users, I hope Apple understands that it can't be rushed. We waited years for this; might as well get it in Spring 2023," Viticci says, suggesting Apple delay Stage Manager's release entirely and rethink its approach.
Stage Manager, for the first time, lets users overlap windows and use external display support with their iPad. Apple's implementation of the feature, however, is not as clear-cut as some may have hoped.
iPad enthusiasts have yearned for the company to take better advantage of the iPad's power and multitasking potential, and Stage Manager is Apple's answer to those calls. The narrative around iPadOS and its inability to take full advantage of the iPad's hardware took a momentous leap when Apple brought the M1 Apple silicon chip to the iPad Pro in April 2021 and then to the iPad Air last fall.
Stage Manager is designed to only work with iPads powered by the M1 chip, another point of contention surrounding the increasingly controversial feature. Apple argues that only the unified memory architecture of the M1 chip, designed initially for the Mac, can power the heavy workload that Stage Manager requires.
Announcing Stage Manager at WWDC in June, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering, Craig Federighi, said, "With technologies like display scaling and virtual memory swap, we have the foundation for a big leap forward in user experience, one that can change how our Pro users get work done on iPad."
Stage Manager is one of just a few new features of iPadOS 16, but it's also present in macOS Ventura. While they share a name and the same fundamental idea, Stage Manager's implementation on iPadOS 16 and macOS Ventura could not be more different.
For instance, as Viticci noted in his early overview of iPadOS 16, Apple is looking to alleviate the heavy lifting often faced by Mac users of having to perfectly position their overlapping Mac windows to create an ideal workspace. With Stage Manager on iPadOS 16, the system automatically moves apps around to keep the main app in use in the center of the "stage" while other apps open "gracefully move to the side." As Viticci wrote at the time:
Viticci shared on Twitter two feedback reports he filed back to Apple about Stage Manager, still in testing. First, he suggests an easy way to move windows from the iPad to an external display, as it's currently not possible to do so. The other feedback report outlines how the system "destroys" workspaces for apps when connected to an external display.
For the latter report, Apple responded by saying it "behaves as intended," which Viticci calls "baffling." For the other suggestion to make it easier to move windows and spaces to an external display, Apple said after having "carefully considered" the idea, it won't be moving forward with its implementation.
Stepping away from the precedent in years past, Apple is planning to release iPadOS 16 later in the fall and not alongside iOS 16, expected in September. The delay in iPadOS 16's launch should give Apple ample time to address concerns around Stage Manager before it launches to customers sometime in October.
Apple is unlikely to pull Stage Manager from iPadOS 16 when it's released, although it could always opt to label it as a beta feature until it works through the kinks, as it did for Universal Control in macOS Monterey.
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