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Apple Customers in France Still Get EarPods in the Box With Every New iPhone
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People believing and actually defending Apple that environment is the reason they don't include these basic accessories in the box is just laughable. They're the customer Apple dreams of, that perfect sheep that never criticizes any of their moves and just swallows and buys everything.
Now, if I want a charger or earpods, they will have their own separate box, which might also need to be shipped if I don't buy them in the store. Which might very well be the case during these corona times. All of this means more used boxing materials and more shipping emissions etc., which obviously has an impact on the environment.
Let's not kid ourselves and just admit Apple just wants to squeeze that last penny out of their customers. If they really, really cared, then the iPhone would cheaper by the exact amount the charger and earpods cost, so the customer could still get those but not suddenly have to pay more. And this still causes that unneeded hit on the environment (if they care so much...).
Now, if I want a charger or earpods, they will have their own separate box, which might also need to be shipped if I don't buy them in the store. Which might very well be the case during these corona times. All of this means more used boxing materials and more shipping emissions etc., which obviously has an impact on the environment.
Let's not kid ourselves and just admit Apple just wants to squeeze that last penny out of their customers. If they really, really cared, then the iPhone would cheaper by the exact amount the charger and earpods cost, so the customer could still get those but not suddenly have to pay more. And this still causes that unneeded hit on the environment (if they care so much...).
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You know you live in a ridiculous world when you can easily sell alcohol and cigarettes which are proven carcinogens but you get fined for selling a phone without earphones.
Like you are the perfect nerv wrecking not-customer lurking around in forums for people with Apple devices?
People and customers criticize a lot of apple’s actions, but this one not so much.
How come you have to criticize?
It's honestly unacceptable that Apple is playing the "environmentally friendly" card for not including the EarPods or a charger while keeping the prices the same. I'm totally fine with the move overall, but it doesn't explain why these items just magically disappear from older models, or their direct upgrades, without price being affected.
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Why?
Interested to hear the reasoning why doing something that’s better for the environment has to come with a reduction in cost to the consumer. In many instances doing something environmentally friendly actually costs MORE money.
It costs more money to not include sth? We aren't talking investment in greener technologies here. How does it make sense to remove sth from the box and keep the price the same? Based on Apple's own pricing, these items also don't come cheap so they really need to justify how the removal of these items somehow costs them money equal to $38.
Apple could reduce the price but it would be a very small reduction.
But how does that detract from their aims to reduce their environmental impact?
I don’t understand this notion that an environmental change for the better is only a good thing if it costs the consumer less. That smacks of people only caring about their own bank account rather than wider societal issues.
If Apple is so environmental conscious, they should offer customers to return their unused earpods for store credit or something. But I guess that's not profitable...
The point isn’t that nobody is going to need an extra charger or headphones, but that the number of people who do is likely going to be in the minority.
Let’s say the majority of iphone users already have extra usb-c chargers lying around. For the rest, they may elect to buy a third party charger which is superior to the one shipped with the iphone either way. Likewise, they may also elect to use other types of headphones, such as an existing set of AirPods.
In the greater scheme of things, the pros will still outweigh the cons, considering the scale at which Apple operates at.
Where did I say that they shouldn't reduce their impact or that it was a bad idea? I said sth very simple; if you remove items you should adjust the price. Apple charges $38 for these items so they are apparently expensive to make.
The items will only cost a small handful of £ to make. $38 is the retail price and isn’t the price apple would pay for the items that go in the box.
Yes, true, I understand that argument. But I'm not sure how many people have those. Apple said ''use your exsiting charger'', but they never shipped one with a iPhone or any other Apple product. I for one don't have a usb-c charger, so I fall in that other group.
You can still use your usba charger and cable. I presume that’s what apple are expecting most people will do.
To be fair, it might also increase the number of crappy/counterfeit third party products and it could be potentially dangerous for ones health and harmful for the environment. Actually, the most environmentally friendly approach is to support open standards for charging (eg. USB-C ports/Qi charging) while also ensuring long battery life on your products (to reduce the need for third party external batteries etc.). These moves will have a significant impact.
In an ideal world that would work great... but usbc notoriously fried a number of devices in the early days. I don’t know how prevalent that still is but both usbc and lightning requires device makers to stick to spec to make safe and secure devices.
I have both a MacBook Pro and an iPad Pro with USB-C ports. I’m sure Apple has ensured they are safe and secure. They can easily implement them on iPhones as well.
Not Fair🤨, I hope the UK does the same as most of the iPhone that ends up down here are from the UK
I was addressing your point about third party products. They’d all be fine if manufacturers stuck to the specs, regardless of whether they are lightning or usbc.
All that nuclear power helps, I suppose.
As far as French law, I suppose it's something the technology got ahead of.
Every set of ear buds that came with an iPhone I got for the past 4 years has ended up being lost in my junk room or tossed. I have more USB chargers than I can count.
You all make good points. Using a bit of what you all said and combining it, just as Apple gave vouchers for Apple TV for people who purchased a new device, they could have given vouchers for chargers for people getting a new iPhone. The also could've made the new case + small charger case the same dimensions as the old case and given the option to ship together.
Apple pays teams of people to come up with ideas and I'm sure all of our ideas were considered but ultimately rejected simply because the real reason was not to protect the environment but to make a few extra 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
If Apple cared about the environment, they would allow aftermarket upgrades to components such as RAM, separate components so that if 1 $10 component dies in a 13 month old Mac without AppleCare that the user doesn't have to decide between a $1500 parts+labor repair job or a $1400 new computer.
When Apple sandbags RAM they're putting in the machines, then charges $200 for basic upgrades, they discourage people from upgrading to what they should have out of the box. Then when they need to upgrade, they're forced to ditch a perfectly functional machine that just lacks RAM for a new machine. That new machine hurts Mother Earth much more than a power adapter, but it massages, Tim Cook's 🤑.
Sadly, just today I finally installed Windows on my Mac. I have a bit of software for work that runs on Mac/Windows but won't work on Catalina. My existing 2015 MBP is long in the tooth and I need to upgrade sooner or later. From the looks of it, all new Macs have Catalina preinstalled and the upcoming Apple Silicon Macs won't run bootcamp. Apple is literally pushing me to Windows and I've been a Mac user since 1992. This sucks and so does Tim Cook.
Apple pays teams of people to come up with ideas and I'm sure all of our ideas were considered but ultimately rejected simply because the real reason was not to protect the environment but to make a few extra 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
If Apple cared about the environment, they would allow aftermarket upgrades to components such as RAM, separate components so that if 1 $10 component dies in a 13 month old Mac without AppleCare that the user doesn't have to decide between a $1500 parts+labor repair job or a $1400 new computer.
When Apple sandbags RAM they're putting in the machines, then charges $200 for basic upgrades, they discourage people from upgrading to what they should have out of the box. Then when they need to upgrade, they're forced to ditch a perfectly functional machine that just lacks RAM for a new machine. That new machine hurts Mother Earth much more than a power adapter, but it massages, Tim Cook's 🤑.
Sadly, just today I finally installed Windows on my Mac. I have a bit of software for work that runs on Mac/Windows but won't work on Catalina. My existing 2015 MBP is long in the tooth and I need to upgrade sooner or later. From the looks of it, all new Macs have Catalina preinstalled and the upcoming Apple Silicon Macs won't run bootcamp. Apple is literally pushing me to Windows and I've been a Mac user since 1992. This sucks and so does Tim Cook.