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Wonder how that'll work next year if they actually do decide to remove the Lightning port altogether. Unlikely that they'll add Airpods to the package.

well this is gonna get interesting when apple ditches lightning

Yep, it will be interesting. Very unlikely they’ll include AirPods though, because they’d probably be classified in the same category as the phone for RF emissions but I’m not sure...


‘protect children under 14 from the potential risk of electromagnetic radio waves.’

That is codswallop pseudoscience and conspiracy theory pandering nonsense from their government. We are surrounded by a plethora of radio waves, including from nature and background cosmic radiation. Having earphones doesn’t stop you from exposure to radio waves from millions of phones and antennas in your city.

Pseudoscientific codswallop? I suppose you know better than the International Agency for Research on Cancer then? In 2011, the classified RF radiation as a Group 2B possible human carcinogen.


France has taken a cautious approach to this based and IMO they’re right to do that.
 
People believing and actually defending Apple that environment is the reason they don't include these basic accessories in the box is just laughable. They're the customer Apple dreams of, that perfect sheep that never criticizes any of their moves and just swallows and buys everything.

Now, if I want a charger or earpods, they will have their own separate box, which might also need to be shipped if I don't buy them in the store. Which might very well be the case during these corona times. All of this means more used boxing materials and more shipping emissions etc., which obviously has an impact on the environment.

Let's not kid ourselves and just admit Apple just wants to squeeze that last penny out of their customers. If they really, really cared, then the iPhone would cheaper by the exact amount the charger and earpods cost, so the customer could still get those but not suddenly have to pay more. And this still causes that unneeded hit on the environment (if they care so much...).

Instead of jumping through hoops to explain how the change is actually worse for the environment (it isn't), maybe just accept that Apple can make a change motivated by profit that is also good for the environment. It's also good for consumer choice (just buy the charger that best fits your needs, it doesn't have to come from Apple). Call me a sheep if you want, but that idea kind of falls apart if you read any of my posts on Apple vs. Epic. My position on this topic would be the same if Samsung was the one doing it.

If they really, really cared, then the iPhone would cheaper by the exact amount the charger and earpods cost

Tell me what costs more. A 5W charger (which is what they shipped last year with the standard iPhone 11) or an OLED screen? Which way should the price go? Do you know how much it cost to invest in a 5nm fab for the A14 after being on 7nm for the previous two generations? The build and ship cost of the iPhone varies from year to year. To think that you know it should be x dollars cheaper because of the excluded accessories is the peak of simplemindedness, which I guess is why the only insult you can come up with is "sheep".

Feel free to complain about Apple being greedy, but in this case I'd like Apple to make the right change for the wrong reasons, then not at all. Frankly, if you think phone manufacturers are obligated to send you a charger even though many don't need one or want a different one, maybe Apple isn't the only one being greedy here.
 
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It’s weird the iPhone 12 ships with a USB-C cable, but the Apple watch 6 has a USB-A cable. So iPhone users can’t reuse their old chargers, but if you have a watch, it’s ok.
 
I can’t imagine kids under 14 making many phone calls today. Seems like the law is outdated. Plus ultimately the young kids aren’t buying the iPhone. The parents are.
 
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So has apple actually said they are doing this for environmental reasons? Or just some rumor/speculation from apple fans trying to justify the purchase?
Or the critics making stuff up as well? Doesn't really matter at some level, what's done is done. Apple, it seems, by law, has to include the earphones in certain locations.
 
‘protect children under 14 from the potential risk of electromagnetic radio waves.’

That is codswallop pseudoscience and conspiracy theory pandering nonsense from their government. We are surrounded by a plethora of radio waves, including from nature and background cosmic radiation. Having earphones doesn’t stop you from exposure to radio waves from millions of phones and antennas in your city.

1. Ask yourself how old this law is, I don't know myself, could be a fairly old one, making a law takes probably a lot less time than revoking an existing one.

2. Holding a phone next to your brain does increase risks, the thing is, nobody knows how much.

I myself do think the risk is overblown though, these radio waves are non ionising radiation waves, there seem to be people with high sensitivity to radio waves , but that might be just in their imagination.
 
I can’t imagine kids under 14 making many phone calls today. Seems like the law is outdated. Plus ultimately the young kids aren’t buying the iPhone. The parents are.

Of course the parents are going to buy the phone... 😂 How many under 14’s can pull out the cash or card to pay for the iPhone? They certainly won’t get credit! Can’t imagine the Apple Store are going to question everyone to ask if the phone will be used by an under 14... Their country, their rules I guess?

Apple should have given people the option all over, to either take the EarPods and/or Plug at the time of purchase, or leave them in the store. Then the customer gets to choose. They can’t be too bothered about their margins or costs of materials, otherwise they’d have mentioned it... 🤔 Did they mention it?
 
Snip...Apple should have given people the option all over, to either take the EarPods and/or Plug at the time of purchase, or leave them in the store. Then the customer gets to choose. They can’t be too bothered about their margins or costs of materials, otherwise they’d have mentioned it... 🤔 Did they mention it? /snip

Or what I suggested before, apple should have included a USB C to USB A dongle in the box.
 
We’re still on older phones with 3.5mm. I’m not looking forward to getting spendy with phones and still needing to buy several pairs of lightning headphones or adapters separately.
 
So the French iPhone is hazardous but the USA model is not.

Ha, they’ve just taken the cautious approach. Watched something the other night about US meat production and how it compares to the UK and Europe. Certain things are banned over here but not in the US. The jist was, that things have to be proven to be safe before use in the UK and Europe, whereas in the US, things have to be proven to be unsafe before being banned.

The US system seems wrong in this regard IMO
 
Ha, they’ve just taken the cautious approach. Watched something the other night about US meat production and how it compares to the UK and Europe. Certain things are banned over here but not in the US. The jist was, that things have to be proven to be safe before use in the UK and Europe, whereas in the US, things have to be proven to be unsafe before being banned.

The US system seems wrong in this regard IMO
It certainly is.
 
Why?


Interested to hear the reasoning why doing something that’s better for the environment has to come with a reduction in cost to the consumer. In many instances doing something environmentally friendly actually costs MORE money.

because the added charging cable included has cyncially been chosen to be a USB-C device rendering the "millions of existing chargers" no use with the phone at all. They knew exactly what they were doing selecting that cable to include.

This move is not environmentally better and it costs the consumer more.
 
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Why?


Interested to hear the reasoning why doing something that’s better for the environment has to come with a reduction in cost to the consumer. In many instances doing something environmentally friendly actually costs MORE money.
In this case it doesn't appear that it would cost more money for Apple to do it and would actually even not just save them money but bring in more money from people buying additional accessories. On the other hand the consumers would now be getting less than before for what they are paying, and some would need to spend even more to get some additional accessories that they might need.
 
Now, if I want a charger or earpods, they will have their own separate box, which might also need to be shipped if I don't buy them in the store. Which might very well be the case during these corona times. All of this means more used boxing materials and more shipping emissions etc., which obviously has an impact on the environment.

Let's say Apple will ship 2 billion iPhones in the next 10 years this move will mean they don't have to ship 2 billion charges.

Maybe in the next year people will need to buy 50 million USB-C chargers but that is still less than 200 and the charger they buy can be used for many years on average.

So even if people need to buy 100-200 million chargers the next decade from Apple, that is still less than 2 billions.
 
I think the narrative of Apple caring about the environment is primarily marketing. It's easy to be naive and support their mission statement at the surface level. However, their actions show the hypocrisy of it all.

They are carbon neutral for their own operations and they promised to be carbon neutral for the entire supply chain by 2030.

So if Apple devices are difficult to repair and therefore making people buy devices more often, Apple will need to offset the carbon footprint for that sale somewhere else.
 
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